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tbergs said:Go Beavers said:mickeyrat said:tbergs said:It's unfortunate Trump is such a horrible communicator and serial exaggerating moron because if ICE agents are operating like in this story from AP, I don't see how anyone could be opposed to what they're doing.
People considered public safety and national security threats are still the top priority, Elliston said.
That is no different from the Biden administration, but a big change has already taken hold: Under Trump, officers can now arrest people without legal status if they run across them while looking for migrants targeted for removal. Under Joe Biden, such “collateral arrests” were banned.
“We’re looking for those public safety, national security cases. The big difference being, nobody has a free pass anymore,” Elliston said.
The number of collateral arrests has fluctuated, he said. By the end of Monday across Maryland, ICE had arrested 13 people. Of those, nine were targets and the other four were people ICE came across during the course of the morning.
Of those “collaterals,” one had an aggravated theft conviction. Another had already been deported once, and two others had final orders of removal.
Immigration officers are operating with a new sense of mission. Now, 'nobody gets a free pass' | AP News https://search.app/7sbxKb46nEH9WqgG8
and the stories of citizens getting swooped up? natives?
to violate sanctuary laws, and the ongoing permission for ay holes to be ay holes and harass minorities.0 -
Go Beavers said:tbergs said:Go Beavers said:mickeyrat said:tbergs said:It's unfortunate Trump is such a horrible communicator and serial exaggerating moron because if ICE agents are operating like in this story from AP, I don't see how anyone could be opposed to what they're doing.
People considered public safety and national security threats are still the top priority, Elliston said.
That is no different from the Biden administration, but a big change has already taken hold: Under Trump, officers can now arrest people without legal status if they run across them while looking for migrants targeted for removal. Under Joe Biden, such “collateral arrests” were banned.
“We’re looking for those public safety, national security cases. The big difference being, nobody has a free pass anymore,” Elliston said.
The number of collateral arrests has fluctuated, he said. By the end of Monday across Maryland, ICE had arrested 13 people. Of those, nine were targets and the other four were people ICE came across during the course of the morning.
Of those “collaterals,” one had an aggravated theft conviction. Another had already been deported once, and two others had final orders of removal.
Immigration officers are operating with a new sense of mission. Now, 'nobody gets a free pass' | AP News https://search.app/7sbxKb46nEH9WqgG8
and the stories of citizens getting swooped up? natives?
to violate sanctuary laws, and the ongoing permission for ay holes to be ay holes and harass minorities.
yes, its that no news is good news because they are safe and will continue to be.
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mickeyrat said:tbergs said:Go Beavers said:mickeyrat said:tbergs said:It's unfortunate Trump is such a horrible communicator and serial exaggerating moron because if ICE agents are operating like in this story from AP, I don't see how anyone could be opposed to what they're doing.
People considered public safety and national security threats are still the top priority, Elliston said.
That is no different from the Biden administration, but a big change has already taken hold: Under Trump, officers can now arrest people without legal status if they run across them while looking for migrants targeted for removal. Under Joe Biden, such “collateral arrests” were banned.
“We’re looking for those public safety, national security cases. The big difference being, nobody has a free pass anymore,” Elliston said.
The number of collateral arrests has fluctuated, he said. By the end of Monday across Maryland, ICE had arrested 13 people. Of those, nine were targets and the other four were people ICE came across during the course of the morning.
Of those “collaterals,” one had an aggravated theft conviction. Another had already been deported once, and two others had final orders of removal.
Immigration officers are operating with a new sense of mission. Now, 'nobody gets a free pass' | AP News https://search.app/7sbxKb46nEH9WqgG8
and the stories of citizens getting swooped up? natives?
to violate sanctuary laws, and the ongoing permission for ay holes to be ay holes and harass minorities.beginning to occur. a fucking citizen veteran of the military was arrested in jersey. do a search of the ap or reuters. because its hamfisted.and of course the head in dc is going to put a goid public face on things as well as staged tv news pieces.its the shit thats happening outside of that circumstances that are troubling to me. burden on the citizen to prove I'm a citizen?fuck you, prove I'm not. there is the presumption of innocence , is there not? guilty or not, burden of proof is on the government.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Merkin Baller said:tbergs said:Go Beavers said:mickeyrat said:tbergs said:It's unfortunate Trump is such a horrible communicator and serial exaggerating moron because if ICE agents are operating like in this story from AP, I don't see how anyone could be opposed to what they're doing.
People considered public safety and national security threats are still the top priority, Elliston said.
That is no different from the Biden administration, but a big change has already taken hold: Under Trump, officers can now arrest people without legal status if they run across them while looking for migrants targeted for removal. Under Joe Biden, such “collateral arrests” were banned.
“We’re looking for those public safety, national security cases. The big difference being, nobody has a free pass anymore,” Elliston said.
The number of collateral arrests has fluctuated, he said. By the end of Monday across Maryland, ICE had arrested 13 people. Of those, nine were targets and the other four were people ICE came across during the course of the morning.
Of those “collaterals,” one had an aggravated theft conviction. Another had already been deported once, and two others had final orders of removal.
Immigration officers are operating with a new sense of mission. Now, 'nobody gets a free pass' | AP News https://search.app/7sbxKb46nEH9WqgG8
and the stories of citizens getting swooped up? natives?
to violate sanctuary laws, and the ongoing permission for ay holes to be ay holes and harass minorities.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Go Beavers said:tbergs said:Go Beavers said:mickeyrat said:tbergs said:It's unfortunate Trump is such a horrible communicator and serial exaggerating moron because if ICE agents are operating like in this story from AP, I don't see how anyone could be opposed to what they're doing.
People considered public safety and national security threats are still the top priority, Elliston said.
That is no different from the Biden administration, but a big change has already taken hold: Under Trump, officers can now arrest people without legal status if they run across them while looking for migrants targeted for removal. Under Joe Biden, such “collateral arrests” were banned.
“We’re looking for those public safety, national security cases. The big difference being, nobody has a free pass anymore,” Elliston said.
The number of collateral arrests has fluctuated, he said. By the end of Monday across Maryland, ICE had arrested 13 people. Of those, nine were targets and the other four were people ICE came across during the course of the morning.
Of those “collaterals,” one had an aggravated theft conviction. Another had already been deported once, and two others had final orders of removal.
Immigration officers are operating with a new sense of mission. Now, 'nobody gets a free pass' | AP News https://search.app/7sbxKb46nEH9WqgG8
and the stories of citizens getting swooped up? natives?
to violate sanctuary laws, and the ongoing permission for ay holes to be ay holes and harass minorities.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
tbergs said:Go Beavers said:tbergs said:Go Beavers said:mickeyrat said:tbergs said:It's unfortunate Trump is such a horrible communicator and serial exaggerating moron because if ICE agents are operating like in this story from AP, I don't see how anyone could be opposed to what they're doing.
People considered public safety and national security threats are still the top priority, Elliston said.
That is no different from the Biden administration, but a big change has already taken hold: Under Trump, officers can now arrest people without legal status if they run across them while looking for migrants targeted for removal. Under Joe Biden, such “collateral arrests” were banned.
“We’re looking for those public safety, national security cases. The big difference being, nobody has a free pass anymore,” Elliston said.
The number of collateral arrests has fluctuated, he said. By the end of Monday across Maryland, ICE had arrested 13 people. Of those, nine were targets and the other four were people ICE came across during the course of the morning.
Of those “collaterals,” one had an aggravated theft conviction. Another had already been deported once, and two others had final orders of removal.
Immigration officers are operating with a new sense of mission. Now, 'nobody gets a free pass' | AP News https://search.app/7sbxKb46nEH9WqgG8
and the stories of citizens getting swooped up? natives?
to violate sanctuary laws, and the ongoing permission for ay holes to be ay holes and harass minorities.
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tbergs said:Go Beavers said:tbergs said:Go Beavers said:mickeyrat said:tbergs said:It's unfortunate Trump is such a horrible communicator and serial exaggerating moron because if ICE agents are operating like in this story from AP, I don't see how anyone could be opposed to what they're doing.
People considered public safety and national security threats are still the top priority, Elliston said.
That is no different from the Biden administration, but a big change has already taken hold: Under Trump, officers can now arrest people without legal status if they run across them while looking for migrants targeted for removal. Under Joe Biden, such “collateral arrests” were banned.
“We’re looking for those public safety, national security cases. The big difference being, nobody has a free pass anymore,” Elliston said.
The number of collateral arrests has fluctuated, he said. By the end of Monday across Maryland, ICE had arrested 13 people. Of those, nine were targets and the other four were people ICE came across during the course of the morning.
Of those “collaterals,” one had an aggravated theft conviction. Another had already been deported once, and two others had final orders of removal.
Immigration officers are operating with a new sense of mission. Now, 'nobody gets a free pass' | AP News https://search.app/7sbxKb46nEH9WqgG8
and the stories of citizens getting swooped up? natives?
to violate sanctuary laws, and the ongoing permission for ay holes to be ay holes and harass minorities.0 -
cincybearcat said:tbergs said:Go Beavers said:tbergs said:Go Beavers said:mickeyrat said:tbergs said:It's unfortunate Trump is such a horrible communicator and serial exaggerating moron because if ICE agents are operating like in this story from AP, I don't see how anyone could be opposed to what they're doing.
People considered public safety and national security threats are still the top priority, Elliston said.
That is no different from the Biden administration, but a big change has already taken hold: Under Trump, officers can now arrest people without legal status if they run across them while looking for migrants targeted for removal. Under Joe Biden, such “collateral arrests” were banned.
“We’re looking for those public safety, national security cases. The big difference being, nobody has a free pass anymore,” Elliston said.
The number of collateral arrests has fluctuated, he said. By the end of Monday across Maryland, ICE had arrested 13 people. Of those, nine were targets and the other four were people ICE came across during the course of the morning.
Of those “collaterals,” one had an aggravated theft conviction. Another had already been deported once, and two others had final orders of removal.
Immigration officers are operating with a new sense of mission. Now, 'nobody gets a free pass' | AP News https://search.app/7sbxKb46nEH9WqgG8
and the stories of citizens getting swooped up? natives?
to violate sanctuary laws, and the ongoing permission for ay holes to be ay holes and harass minorities.0 -
Go Beavers said:tbergs said:Go Beavers said:tbergs said:Go Beavers said:mickeyrat said:tbergs said:It's unfortunate Trump is such a horrible communicator and serial exaggerating moron because if ICE agents are operating like in this story from AP, I don't see how anyone could be opposed to what they're doing.
People considered public safety and national security threats are still the top priority, Elliston said.
That is no different from the Biden administration, but a big change has already taken hold: Under Trump, officers can now arrest people without legal status if they run across them while looking for migrants targeted for removal. Under Joe Biden, such “collateral arrests” were banned.
“We’re looking for those public safety, national security cases. The big difference being, nobody has a free pass anymore,” Elliston said.
The number of collateral arrests has fluctuated, he said. By the end of Monday across Maryland, ICE had arrested 13 people. Of those, nine were targets and the other four were people ICE came across during the course of the morning.
Of those “collaterals,” one had an aggravated theft conviction. Another had already been deported once, and two others had final orders of removal.
Immigration officers are operating with a new sense of mission. Now, 'nobody gets a free pass' | AP News https://search.app/7sbxKb46nEH9WqgG8
and the stories of citizens getting swooped up? natives?
to violate sanctuary laws, and the ongoing permission for ay holes to be ay holes and harass minorities.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
How stupid does this look?
Is Kristi going to help them put down migrant dogs (if they all haven't been eaten)?It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Poncier said:tbergs said:How stupid does this look?
Is Kristi going to help them put down migrant dogs (if they all haven't been eaten)?
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mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:Tim Simmons said:Because we don't learn our lesson and keep absolutely shitting on groups of people as if we have been here forever and always, all the while barely acknowledging that we do it rather than saying, he man, everyone's cool and we learned our lessons from mistakes of the past so lets share this land and be the land of opportunity for all.
I doubt there's another country in the world I can take my kids to illegally and get half the services they get here. But it's not enough and we're perceived as bad and racists for doing more than any other country.
I haven't seen anyone deny our nation's history. I haven't seen anyone who wants to deport all immigrants. At the most, its only illegal immigrants, and usually the focus is on criminals and preventing more from coming. Which is pretty standard around the world.
differentiate the costs between legal migrants and undocumented. services overlap, do they not? where those funds come from to begin with? property taxes? regardless of status, rent or mortgage ownership would account for at least a good portion of this funding. so in effect unless migrants of whatever status live in a tent or other nonfixed abode they are in fact contributing to these services.
Schools offer free food below a certain income. Almost every school is going to have language services. Many schools and districts with a higher ELL population will have 2 teachers in classrooms, one a language specialist and one the content teacher. No services are denied a student based on their legal status. And I am not saying they should be. But, I am saying lets recognize that a higher percentage of students who are of illegal immigration status fall into the categories that require these extra services and drive up the cost of education.
then lay out the actual numbers of these students vs the citizen student. by average or percentage. to hear you tell it these schools are overrun with migrant children far surpassing the citizen student population. Frankly, I dont see it based on the kids waiting at the neighborhood bus stop locations. ot those in walking distance to this immersion school near me.
I said specialized language services, as well as other services provided at schools, can get expensive, and illegal immigrant children use many of those services (such as language support) at a higher rate. Never mentioned anything being overrun.
It costs a lot more money to educate a child who doesn't speak English.
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mace1229 said:mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:Tim Simmons said:Because we don't learn our lesson and keep absolutely shitting on groups of people as if we have been here forever and always, all the while barely acknowledging that we do it rather than saying, he man, everyone's cool and we learned our lessons from mistakes of the past so lets share this land and be the land of opportunity for all.
I doubt there's another country in the world I can take my kids to illegally and get half the services they get here. But it's not enough and we're perceived as bad and racists for doing more than any other country.
I haven't seen anyone deny our nation's history. I haven't seen anyone who wants to deport all immigrants. At the most, its only illegal immigrants, and usually the focus is on criminals and preventing more from coming. Which is pretty standard around the world.
differentiate the costs between legal migrants and undocumented. services overlap, do they not? where those funds come from to begin with? property taxes? regardless of status, rent or mortgage ownership would account for at least a good portion of this funding. so in effect unless migrants of whatever status live in a tent or other nonfixed abode they are in fact contributing to these services.
Schools offer free food below a certain income. Almost every school is going to have language services. Many schools and districts with a higher ELL population will have 2 teachers in classrooms, one a language specialist and one the content teacher. No services are denied a student based on their legal status. And I am not saying they should be. But, I am saying lets recognize that a higher percentage of students who are of illegal immigration status fall into the categories that require these extra services and drive up the cost of education.
then lay out the actual numbers of these students vs the citizen student. by average or percentage. to hear you tell it these schools are overrun with migrant children far surpassing the citizen student population. Frankly, I dont see it based on the kids waiting at the neighborhood bus stop locations. ot those in walking distance to this immersion school near me.
I said specialized language services, as well as other services provided at schools, can get expensive, and illegal immigrant children use many of those services (such as language support) at a higher rate. Never mentioned anything being overrun.
It costs a lot more money to educate a child who doesn't speak English.and those services are also in place for documented migrant children. and the general idea being long term presence in this country, the kids will pick up english. fairly quickly as children seem better learning orher languages than adults do.so return on investment. worth it. wifes kids are grown. she still pays for education out of property taxes. I do as well out of payroll given where I live. I have no children. money well spent as long as it goes to actual children trying to learn and not bureaucratic bullshit admin costs.Post edited by mickeyrat on_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:Tim Simmons said:Because we don't learn our lesson and keep absolutely shitting on groups of people as if we have been here forever and always, all the while barely acknowledging that we do it rather than saying, he man, everyone's cool and we learned our lessons from mistakes of the past so lets share this land and be the land of opportunity for all.
I doubt there's another country in the world I can take my kids to illegally and get half the services they get here. But it's not enough and we're perceived as bad and racists for doing more than any other country.
I haven't seen anyone deny our nation's history. I haven't seen anyone who wants to deport all immigrants. At the most, its only illegal immigrants, and usually the focus is on criminals and preventing more from coming. Which is pretty standard around the world.
differentiate the costs between legal migrants and undocumented. services overlap, do they not? where those funds come from to begin with? property taxes? regardless of status, rent or mortgage ownership would account for at least a good portion of this funding. so in effect unless migrants of whatever status live in a tent or other nonfixed abode they are in fact contributing to these services.
Schools offer free food below a certain income. Almost every school is going to have language services. Many schools and districts with a higher ELL population will have 2 teachers in classrooms, one a language specialist and one the content teacher. No services are denied a student based on their legal status. And I am not saying they should be. But, I am saying lets recognize that a higher percentage of students who are of illegal immigration status fall into the categories that require these extra services and drive up the cost of education.
then lay out the actual numbers of these students vs the citizen student. by average or percentage. to hear you tell it these schools are overrun with migrant children far surpassing the citizen student population. Frankly, I dont see it based on the kids waiting at the neighborhood bus stop locations. ot those in walking distance to this immersion school near me.
I said specialized language services, as well as other services provided at schools, can get expensive, and illegal immigrant children use many of those services (such as language support) at a higher rate. Never mentioned anything being overrun.
It costs a lot more money to educate a child who doesn't speak English.and those services are also in place for documented migrant children. and the general idea being long term presence in this country, the kids will pick up english. fairly quickly as children seem better learning orher languages than adults do.so return on investment. worth it. wifes kids are grown. she still pays for education out of property taxes. I do as well out of payroll given where I live. I have no children. money well spent as long as it goes to actualc hildren trying to learn and not bureaucratic bullshit admin costs.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Halifax2TheMax said:mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:Tim Simmons said:Because we don't learn our lesson and keep absolutely shitting on groups of people as if we have been here forever and always, all the while barely acknowledging that we do it rather than saying, he man, everyone's cool and we learned our lessons from mistakes of the past so lets share this land and be the land of opportunity for all.
I doubt there's another country in the world I can take my kids to illegally and get half the services they get here. But it's not enough and we're perceived as bad and racists for doing more than any other country.
I haven't seen anyone deny our nation's history. I haven't seen anyone who wants to deport all immigrants. At the most, its only illegal immigrants, and usually the focus is on criminals and preventing more from coming. Which is pretty standard around the world.
differentiate the costs between legal migrants and undocumented. services overlap, do they not? where those funds come from to begin with? property taxes? regardless of status, rent or mortgage ownership would account for at least a good portion of this funding. so in effect unless migrants of whatever status live in a tent or other nonfixed abode they are in fact contributing to these services.
Schools offer free food below a certain income. Almost every school is going to have language services. Many schools and districts with a higher ELL population will have 2 teachers in classrooms, one a language specialist and one the content teacher. No services are denied a student based on their legal status. And I am not saying they should be. But, I am saying lets recognize that a higher percentage of students who are of illegal immigration status fall into the categories that require these extra services and drive up the cost of education.
then lay out the actual numbers of these students vs the citizen student. by average or percentage. to hear you tell it these schools are overrun with migrant children far surpassing the citizen student population. Frankly, I dont see it based on the kids waiting at the neighborhood bus stop locations. ot those in walking distance to this immersion school near me.
I said specialized language services, as well as other services provided at schools, can get expensive, and illegal immigrant children use many of those services (such as language support) at a higher rate. Never mentioned anything being overrun.
It costs a lot more money to educate a child who doesn't speak English.and those services are also in place for documented migrant children. and the general idea being long term presence in this country, the kids will pick up english. fairly quickly as children seem better learning orher languages than adults do.so return on investment. worth it. wifes kids are grown. she still pays for education out of property taxes. I do as well out of payroll given where I live. I have no children. money well spent as long as it goes to actualc hildren trying to learn and not bureaucratic bullshit admin costs.0 -
Merkin Baller said:Halifax2TheMax said:mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:Tim Simmons said:Because we don't learn our lesson and keep absolutely shitting on groups of people as if we have been here forever and always, all the while barely acknowledging that we do it rather than saying, he man, everyone's cool and we learned our lessons from mistakes of the past so lets share this land and be the land of opportunity for all.
I doubt there's another country in the world I can take my kids to illegally and get half the services they get here. But it's not enough and we're perceived as bad and racists for doing more than any other country.
I haven't seen anyone deny our nation's history. I haven't seen anyone who wants to deport all immigrants. At the most, its only illegal immigrants, and usually the focus is on criminals and preventing more from coming. Which is pretty standard around the world.
differentiate the costs between legal migrants and undocumented. services overlap, do they not? where those funds come from to begin with? property taxes? regardless of status, rent or mortgage ownership would account for at least a good portion of this funding. so in effect unless migrants of whatever status live in a tent or other nonfixed abode they are in fact contributing to these services.
Schools offer free food below a certain income. Almost every school is going to have language services. Many schools and districts with a higher ELL population will have 2 teachers in classrooms, one a language specialist and one the content teacher. No services are denied a student based on their legal status. And I am not saying they should be. But, I am saying lets recognize that a higher percentage of students who are of illegal immigration status fall into the categories that require these extra services and drive up the cost of education.
then lay out the actual numbers of these students vs the citizen student. by average or percentage. to hear you tell it these schools are overrun with migrant children far surpassing the citizen student population. Frankly, I dont see it based on the kids waiting at the neighborhood bus stop locations. ot those in walking distance to this immersion school near me.
I said specialized language services, as well as other services provided at schools, can get expensive, and illegal immigrant children use many of those services (such as language support) at a higher rate. Never mentioned anything being overrun.
It costs a lot more money to educate a child who doesn't speak English.and those services are also in place for documented migrant children. and the general idea being long term presence in this country, the kids will pick up english. fairly quickly as children seem better learning orher languages than adults do.so return on investment. worth it. wifes kids are grown. she still pays for education out of property taxes. I do as well out of payroll given where I live. I have no children. money well spent as long as it goes to actualc hildren trying to learn and not bureaucratic bullshit admin costs.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:Tim Simmons said:Because we don't learn our lesson and keep absolutely shitting on groups of people as if we have been here forever and always, all the while barely acknowledging that we do it rather than saying, he man, everyone's cool and we learned our lessons from mistakes of the past so lets share this land and be the land of opportunity for all.
I doubt there's another country in the world I can take my kids to illegally and get half the services they get here. But it's not enough and we're perceived as bad and racists for doing more than any other country.
I haven't seen anyone deny our nation's history. I haven't seen anyone who wants to deport all immigrants. At the most, its only illegal immigrants, and usually the focus is on criminals and preventing more from coming. Which is pretty standard around the world.
differentiate the costs between legal migrants and undocumented. services overlap, do they not? where those funds come from to begin with? property taxes? regardless of status, rent or mortgage ownership would account for at least a good portion of this funding. so in effect unless migrants of whatever status live in a tent or other nonfixed abode they are in fact contributing to these services.
Schools offer free food below a certain income. Almost every school is going to have language services. Many schools and districts with a higher ELL population will have 2 teachers in classrooms, one a language specialist and one the content teacher. No services are denied a student based on their legal status. And I am not saying they should be. But, I am saying lets recognize that a higher percentage of students who are of illegal immigration status fall into the categories that require these extra services and drive up the cost of education.
then lay out the actual numbers of these students vs the citizen student. by average or percentage. to hear you tell it these schools are overrun with migrant children far surpassing the citizen student population. Frankly, I dont see it based on the kids waiting at the neighborhood bus stop locations. ot those in walking distance to this immersion school near me.
I said specialized language services, as well as other services provided at schools, can get expensive, and illegal immigrant children use many of those services (such as language support) at a higher rate. Never mentioned anything being overrun.
It costs a lot more money to educate a child who doesn't speak English.and those services are also in place for documented migrant children. and the general idea being long term presence in this country, the kids will pick up english. fairly quickly as children seem better learning orher languages than adults do.so return on investment. worth it. wifes kids are grown. she still pays for education out of property taxes. I do as well out of payroll given where I live. I have no children. money well spent as long as it goes to actual children trying to learn and not bureaucratic bullshit admin costs.
Illegal immigrants use those resources at a much higher rate. So the amount of money spent per student is higher if you compare legal to non-legal status.
I am not saying only illegals use those services. A lot of people di. Or that it doesn't benefit society as a whole or that it isn;t a good return on investment. All those things are true.
But can you give me an example of another country that provides as many services to illegal immigrants as we do? I've asked that 3 times and can't get an answer. Because we all know the answer, so the only response is to take my comments out of context and focus on things I never said.
I keep hearing we're a racist country for how we treat people who are here illegally, but we literally do more than any other country does.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
mace1229 said:mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:Tim Simmons said:Because we don't learn our lesson and keep absolutely shitting on groups of people as if we have been here forever and always, all the while barely acknowledging that we do it rather than saying, he man, everyone's cool and we learned our lessons from mistakes of the past so lets share this land and be the land of opportunity for all.
I doubt there's another country in the world I can take my kids to illegally and get half the services they get here. But it's not enough and we're perceived as bad and racists for doing more than any other country.
I haven't seen anyone deny our nation's history. I haven't seen anyone who wants to deport all immigrants. At the most, its only illegal immigrants, and usually the focus is on criminals and preventing more from coming. Which is pretty standard around the world.
differentiate the costs between legal migrants and undocumented. services overlap, do they not? where those funds come from to begin with? property taxes? regardless of status, rent or mortgage ownership would account for at least a good portion of this funding. so in effect unless migrants of whatever status live in a tent or other nonfixed abode they are in fact contributing to these services.
Schools offer free food below a certain income. Almost every school is going to have language services. Many schools and districts with a higher ELL population will have 2 teachers in classrooms, one a language specialist and one the content teacher. No services are denied a student based on their legal status. And I am not saying they should be. But, I am saying lets recognize that a higher percentage of students who are of illegal immigration status fall into the categories that require these extra services and drive up the cost of education.
then lay out the actual numbers of these students vs the citizen student. by average or percentage. to hear you tell it these schools are overrun with migrant children far surpassing the citizen student population. Frankly, I dont see it based on the kids waiting at the neighborhood bus stop locations. ot those in walking distance to this immersion school near me.
I said specialized language services, as well as other services provided at schools, can get expensive, and illegal immigrant children use many of those services (such as language support) at a higher rate. Never mentioned anything being overrun.
It costs a lot more money to educate a child who doesn't speak English.and those services are also in place for documented migrant children. and the general idea being long term presence in this country, the kids will pick up english. fairly quickly as children seem better learning orher languages than adults do.so return on investment. worth it. wifes kids are grown. she still pays for education out of property taxes. I do as well out of payroll given where I live. I have no children. money well spent as long as it goes to actual children trying to learn and not bureaucratic bullshit admin costs.
Illegal immigrants use those resources at a much higher rate. So the amount of money spent per student is higher if you compare legal to non-legal status.
I am not saying only illegals use those services. A lot of people di. Or that it doesn't benefit society as a whole or that it isn;t a good return on investment. All those things are true.
But can you give me an example of another country that provides as many services to illegal immigrants as we do? I've asked that 3 times and can't get an answer. Because we all know the answer, so the only response is to take my comments out of context and focus on things I never said.
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