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  • vedpunk
    vedpunk Posts: 965
    edited June 2024
    Haijay said:
    PJNB said:
    vedpunk said:
    Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
    If they played a show in Texas at a venue the same size as the one in London do you think the sales would be any different? 
    They would sell out Globe Life, Minute Maid, or the Alamodome, absolutely. 
    Exactly.  In the future, the band may be forced to go where their fans and their willingness to pay are located instead of on summer European vacations.  This isn’t a slight on Europe, I’ve been many times and love the different people and cultures.  It’s just a matter of supply and demand for an aging rock band that doesn’t tour much but wants to maximize the return on their remaining tours.    
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,203
    Indifference71 said:
    Paul Spencer said:
    I think the issue is ENTIRELY about ticket prices. In 2022 they sold out two nights at BST, that's 130,000 tickets but just two years later, they are struggling to sell much more than 50-70%(?) of the tickets at Tottenham, which has a capacity of just 50,000. 

    The difference being, that ticket prices to watch Pearl Jam in London have DOUBLED in just two years. There's not a shadow of a doubt in my mind, that had ticket prices remained at roughly the same price (or slightly higher) as they were for BST, then Tottenham would have sold out quickly. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the venue or it's location, Beyonce sold out 5 nights there last year.

    The last time Pearl Jam played at the O2, the highest priced tickets were £85 and now they wanted people to (initially) pay £159 to sit on the back row of a football stadium! Just what on earth did anybody expect to happen? There is absolutely no justification whatsoever for prices to have increased to such an extent.

    The issue, is about greed, pure and simple and Live Nation, Ticketmaster and Pearl Jam are all equally complicit. If the band reject the proposed ticket prices, then the shows don't happen, period. The management represent the band and the management negotiate with the promoters (Live Nation) and the eventual ticket price is arrived at after they reach an agreement that is acceptable to both parties.

    And it's back fired on everybody involved spectacularly!  it's just extremely sad to find that Pearl Jam of all artists are the act at that centre of the failure.
    Props to the Euro fans for not putting up with that bullshit.  Doubling the price in just 2 years is insane.  I wonder what they would have to charge in the US for people to stop buying tickets no matter what.
    $250 a ticket is my line in the sand.  
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,037
    Or they can make smarter decisions as it's not always all about USA. Where a band comes from is not that important. If they read the room and do just a little homework. Don't be too greedy I'm sure it would work out just fine


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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    Haijay said:
    PJNB said:
    vedpunk said:
    Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
    If they played a show in Texas at a venue the same size as the one in London do you think the sales would be any different? 
    They would sell out Globe Life, Minute Maid, or the Alamodome, absolutely. 
    That would surprise me if they could. 

    I think there are only a handful of markets in the USA that they could do that. Seattle, Boston, New York, Chicago and Philly.

  • vedpunk
    vedpunk Posts: 965
    PJNB said:
    Haijay said:
    PJNB said:
    vedpunk said:
    Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
    If they played a show in Texas at a venue the same size as the one in London do you think the sales would be any different? 
    They would sell out Globe Life, Minute Maid, or the Alamodome, absolutely. 
    That would surprise me if they could. 

    I think there are only a handful of markets in the USA that they could do that. Seattle, Boston, New York, Chicago and Philly.

    I think you’d be surprised. Texas and Florida major cities aren’t usually included in peoples’ list of PJ’s most popular cities but they probably should.   I’m not saying they sell out multiple stadiums in these states on the same tour but adding a weekend Dallas and Miami/or Ft Lauderdale stadium show wouldn’t be out of the question.  
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    vedpunk said:
    PJNB said:
    Haijay said:
    PJNB said:
    vedpunk said:
    Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
    If they played a show in Texas at a venue the same size as the one in London do you think the sales would be any different? 
    They would sell out Globe Life, Minute Maid, or the Alamodome, absolutely. 
    That would surprise me if they could. 

    I think there are only a handful of markets in the USA that they could do that. Seattle, Boston, New York, Chicago and Philly.

    I think you’d be surprised. Texas and Florida major cities aren’t usually included in peoples’ list of PJ’s most popular cities but they probably should.   I’m not saying they sell out multiple stadiums in these states on the same tour but adding a weekend Dallas and Miami/or Ft Lauderdale stadium show wouldn’t be out of the question.  
    Ya maybe. I didn't think Fenway and Wrigley would be instant sellouts either especially after UC struggled to sell the back and top of the nosebleeds. 
  • drfox
    drfox Posts: 1,506
    Tottenham stadium is just too big to sell out given the location in Outer London and late announcement. It’s got a 63,000 capacity for concerts so almost 50% bigger than places in the US like Wrigley (42,000)
  • vedpunk
    vedpunk Posts: 965
    So wouldn’t selling 50% of Tottenham  (31.5k) still be considered a success?
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,203
    vedpunk said:
    So wouldn’t selling 50% of Tottenham  (31.5k) still be considered a success?
    I would think so.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • RiddledWithMetaphors
    RiddledWithMetaphors Posts: 147
    Hey I’m American and was already used to the new concert prices as I’d seen them twice in St. Paul in ‘23. 

    What really has me sitting out this tour is the February announcement. If it would’ve been announced around when the rumors starting leaking in November, I would’ve been there. 

    I think there are several layers to why this fiasco is happening. Double the price of ‘22, a larger and less desired venue without the festival feel and cool opening acts, and finally the last minute announcement. 
  • Philip_Ireland
    Philip_Ireland Posts: 673
    vedpunk said:
    Haijay said:
    PJNB said:
    vedpunk said:
    Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
    If they played a show in Texas at a venue the same size as the one in London do you think the sales would be any different? 
    They would sell out Globe Life, Minute Maid, or the Alamodome, absolutely. 
    Exactly.  In the future, the band may be forced to go where their fans and their willingness to pay are located instead of on summer European vacations.  This isn’t a slight on Europe, I’ve been many times and love the different people and cultures.  It’s just a matter of supply and demand for an aging rock band that doesn’t tour much but wants to maximize the return on their remaining tours.    
    Don’t try charge US prices in Europe should be the one takeaway they get from this rather bad experience!
  • Philip_Ireland
    Philip_Ireland Posts: 673
    vedpunk said:
    So wouldn’t selling 50% of Tottenham  (31.5k) still be considered a success?
    I’m not sure. They definitely won’t be recording a concert film from a half empty/full venue! That’s for sure 
  • Indifference
    Indifference Posts: 2,784
    Philip_Ireland said:
    vedpunk said:
    So wouldn’t selling 50% of Tottenham  (31.5k) still be considered a success?
    I’m not sure. They definitely won’t be recording a concert film from a half empty/full venue! That’s for sure 

    well thats less then 2x O2 which was the plan but of course only need to play once xD

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  • BloodMeridian80
    BloodMeridian80 Seattle Posts: 717
    Weren’t the ‘22 show prices actually 2020 prices? 
  • Haijay
    Haijay Posts: 456
    Again, the RHCP played to a little over 43,000, and that was called a sellout. 
  • Haijay
    Haijay Posts: 456
    PJNB said:
    vedpunk said:
    PJNB said:
    Haijay said:
    PJNB said:
    vedpunk said:
    Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
    If they played a show in Texas at a venue the same size as the one in London do you think the sales would be any different? 
    They would sell out Globe Life, Minute Maid, or the Alamodome, absolutely. 
    That would surprise me if they could. 

    I think there are only a handful of markets in the USA that they could do that. Seattle, Boston, New York, Chicago and Philly.

    I think you’d be surprised. Texas and Florida major cities aren’t usually included in peoples’ list of PJ’s most popular cities but they probably should.   I’m not saying they sell out multiple stadiums in these states on the same tour but adding a weekend Dallas and Miami/or Ft Lauderdale stadium show wouldn’t be out of the question.  
    Ya maybe. I didn't think Fenway and Wrigley would be instant sellouts either especially after UC struggled to sell the back and top of the nosebleeds. 
    Well, those seats are always the last to go, for any artist. It didn’t help that the seats were what, over $100 each, when everybody else charges significantly less for those seats. 
    This one price for the whole venue just is not sustainable when prices hit $100 plus, people won’t pay $140 bucks for behind the stage🤷‍♂️
  • Haijay
    Haijay Posts: 456
    PJNB said:
    Haijay said:
    PJNB said:
    vedpunk said:
    Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
    If they played a show in Texas at a venue the same size as the one in London do you think the sales would be any different? 
    They would sell out Globe Life, Minute Maid, or the Alamodome, absolutely. 
    That would surprise me if they could. 

    I think there are only a handful of markets in the USA that they could do that. Seattle, Boston, New York, Chicago and Philly.

    They could play Petco, Coors, Camden Yards, Comerica and Busch possibly. Texas and Miami too, no problem. I think a lot of people would be surprised around here. 
    You know, look at 2018, those 7 stadium shows all sold out instantly. A friend of mine was debating about Missoula, and he said he’ll think about it, no way it’s selling out, it’s in the middle of nowhere. The day after the sale i asked how it worked it for him, lol. So think, they could have easily added more like two at Citizens Bank, two at Citi Field, BMO in LA, im sure, the list goes on. 
     

  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 16,077
    BloodMeridian80 said:
    Weren’t the ‘22 show prices actually 2020 prices? 
    Please don’t muddle the thread with information that doesn’t support the narrative that Pearl Jam is greedy.  
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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    Haijay said:
    PJNB said:
    Haijay said:
    PJNB said:
    vedpunk said:
    Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
    If they played a show in Texas at a venue the same size as the one in London do you think the sales would be any different? 
    They would sell out Globe Life, Minute Maid, or the Alamodome, absolutely. 
    That would surprise me if they could. 

    I think there are only a handful of markets in the USA that they could do that. Seattle, Boston, New York, Chicago and Philly.

    They could play Petco, Coors, Camden Yards, Comerica and Busch possibly. Texas and Miami too, no problem. I think a lot of people would be surprised around here. 
    You know, look at 2018, those 7 stadium shows all sold out instantly. A friend of mine was debating about Missoula, and he said he’ll think about it, no way it’s selling out, it’s in the middle of nowhere. The day after the sale i asked how it worked it for him, lol. So think, they could have easily added more like two at Citizens Bank, two at Citi Field, BMO in LA, im sure, the list goes on. 
     

    Missoula is only 24k and we have yet to see what they are holding back. 
  • Weston1283
    Weston1283 Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 5,027
    edited June 2024
    I do find it disappointing that TSURT deleted the IG comments about tickets being half sold out and too expensive… Have the balls to reap what you sow.  Kinda sad if PJ will criticize Butker but remove content regarding the fact that they way overshot the Europe shows….. gives really weak vibes lol

    Come back to Cleveland or literally anywhere in the Midwest.. I dare you…
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