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  • vedpunk
    vedpunk Posts: 965
    edited June 2024
    Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    vedpunk said:
    Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
    If they played a show in Texas at a venue the same size as the one in London do you think the sales would be any different? 
  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,086
    PJNB said:
    vedpunk said:
    Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
    If they played a show in Texas at a venue the same size as the one in London do you think the sales would be any different? 
    Yes, people from the north would travel
  • marumaruko
    marumaruko Posts: 417
    Ryan said:
    Philip_Ireland said:
    sdharv1919 said:
    Philip_Ireland said:
    drfox said:
    Philip_Ireland said:
    beano.79 said:
    drfox said:
    It’s not the ticket prices it’s the late announcement when lots of people had already booked to see other concerts 
    All the noise on social media over the last few months points to it being the ticket prices 
    Exactly- of course it’s the price. Second they are touring a bombing album 
    Is it bombing? Reached #2 here with minimal promotion. Doing no different to other similar bands from the same era.
    Reached number 2 briefly then tumbled. It lasted about a week on the Billboard charts- there are a multitude of 50 year old albums that are selling better than it. See article below and bear in mind that it’s a month old. It’s definitely not selling as expected. 

    Original post updated for charts for week ending June 15, 2024.

    "Wreckage" climbs to No. 9 at alternative radio, No. 8 at mainstream rock and No. 6 at Triple-A. It also moves up from No. 36 to No. 28 on the Canada Rock chart.

    Dark Matter hangs on in the top 50 of Top Current Album Sales for a seventh week, selling between 1,700 and 1,800 copies.
    That ‘Wreckage’ song title speaks for itself. They have a few of those songs on every album, please- do something a little/ lot more interesting than this standard ballad fluff! Nobody wants to hear this on an album!!!!
    If you don’t like the new record, and the price of tickets is too high, then why bother going to the show?
    And if you’re experience a, “cost of living crisis” maybe skip the shows, stop complaining in multiple threads and use the time/resources to look for a part-time job?

    Regarding the Europe ticket sales, I’ve seen it mentioned once or twice but I don’t think it can be understated that way fewer North Americans are travelling to UK/EU shows this year.  With how many shows there are on “home soil” for us, I can do like 4-6 shows for the same cost Berlin would have been.  Berlin flights are close to $2000 return, while I paid about $380 return for both Seattle and LA, and $270 for Vancouver.  My flights + hotels for those three cities were probably less than just the Berlin flight would be.  
    On the other hand, if there are zero or limited North American shows, like in 2018, I’d 100% had picked a city getting two shows in Europe.  
    Finally, some of the usual popular places to visit got skipped (Italy, Amsterdam) and nothing that is a bit “different” to visit like Budapest or Krakow this time around.
    Wondered why Americans are so popular in Europe sometimes? Read this comment. 


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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,662
    vedpunk said:
    Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
    Be less bitter
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,056
    Less enthusiastic and not willing to pay up. Jog on mate


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  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 493
    edited June 2024
    vedpunk said:
    Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
    I love posts like this. Because you can twist them so wonderfully. Like this, for example:

    Maybe they should stop playing shows in their home country so often to overenthusiastic fans willing to pay excessive amounts of money for one ticket and instead play more new cities and venues in Europe and other parts of the world to more down to earth fans who are just as appreciative and willing to spend a reasonable amount of money on the best live band on the planet and at the same time help the band to gain great new experiences in new places and come back down to earth.

    And before a shitstorm breaks out. These lines are just as exaggerated as the ones I quoted. With the difference that I deliberately exaggerated it. But I'm not so sure about the author of the quote.
    Post edited by Zen23 on
  • Ryan
    Ryan Posts: 1,249
    marumaruko said:
    Ryan said:
    Philip_Ireland said:
    sdharv1919 said:
    Philip_Ireland said:
    drfox said:
    Philip_Ireland said:
    beano.79 said:
    drfox said:
    It’s not the ticket prices it’s the late announcement when lots of people had already booked to see other concerts 
    All the noise on social media over the last few months points to it being the ticket prices 
    Exactly- of course it’s the price. Second they are touring a bombing album 
    Is it bombing? Reached #2 here with minimal promotion. Doing no different to other similar bands from the same era.
    Reached number 2 briefly then tumbled. It lasted about a week on the Billboard charts- there are a multitude of 50 year old albums that are selling better than it. See article below and bear in mind that it’s a month old. It’s definitely not selling as expected. 

    Original post updated for charts for week ending June 15, 2024.

    "Wreckage" climbs to No. 9 at alternative radio, No. 8 at mainstream rock and No. 6 at Triple-A. It also moves up from No. 36 to No. 28 on the Canada Rock chart.

    Dark Matter hangs on in the top 50 of Top Current Album Sales for a seventh week, selling between 1,700 and 1,800 copies.
    That ‘Wreckage’ song title speaks for itself. They have a few of those songs on every album, please- do something a little/ lot more interesting than this standard ballad fluff! Nobody wants to hear this on an album!!!!
    If you don’t like the new record, and the price of tickets is too high, then why bother going to the show?
    And if you’re experience a, “cost of living crisis” maybe skip the shows, stop complaining in multiple threads and use the time/resources to look for a part-time job?

    Regarding the Europe ticket sales, I’ve seen it mentioned once or twice but I don’t think it can be understated that way fewer North Americans are travelling to UK/EU shows this year.  With how many shows there are on “home soil” for us, I can do like 4-6 shows for the same cost Berlin would have been.  Berlin flights are close to $2000 return, while I paid about $380 return for both Seattle and LA, and $270 for Vancouver.  My flights + hotels for those three cities were probably less than just the Berlin flight would be.  
    On the other hand, if there are zero or limited North American shows, like in 2018, I’d 100% had picked a city getting two shows in Europe.  
    Finally, some of the usual popular places to visit got skipped (Italy, Amsterdam) and nothing that is a bit “different” to visit like Budapest or Krakow this time around.
    Wondered why Americans are so popular in Europe sometimes? Read this comment. 


    A) I’m not american
    B) I can’t imagine disliking a band’s new record, and thinking they’re charging too much for concert tickets, and still be wasting time complaining about it on a message board four months after tickets went on sale.  
  • Philip_Ireland
    Philip_Ireland Posts: 673
    Ryan said:
    Philip_Ireland said:
    sdharv1919 said:
    Philip_Ireland said:
    drfox said:
    Philip_Ireland said:
    beano.79 said:
    drfox said:
    It’s not the ticket prices it’s the late announcement when lots of people had already booked to see other concerts 
    All the noise on social media over the last few months points to it being the ticket prices 
    Exactly- of course it’s the price. Second they are touring a bombing album 
    Is it bombing? Reached #2 here with minimal promotion. Doing no different to other similar bands from the same era.
    Reached number 2 briefly then tumbled. It lasted about a week on the Billboard charts- there are a multitude of 50 year old albums that are selling better than it. See article below and bear in mind that it’s a month old. It’s definitely not selling as expected. 

    Original post updated for charts for week ending June 15, 2024.

    "Wreckage" climbs to No. 9 at alternative radio, No. 8 at mainstream rock and No. 6 at Triple-A. It also moves up from No. 36 to No. 28 on the Canada Rock chart.

    Dark Matter hangs on in the top 50 of Top Current Album Sales for a seventh week, selling between 1,700 and 1,800 copies.
    That ‘Wreckage’ song title speaks for itself. They have a few of those songs on every album, please- do something a little/ lot more interesting than this standard ballad fluff! Nobody wants to hear this on an album!!!!
    If you don’t like the new record, and the price of tickets is too high, then why bother going to the show?
    And if you’re experience a, “cost of living crisis” maybe skip the shows, stop complaining in multiple threads and use the time/resources to look for a part-time job?

    Regarding the Europe ticket sales, I’ve seen it mentioned once or twice but I don’t think it can be understated that way fewer North Americans are travelling to UK/EU shows this year.  With how many shows there are on “home soil” for us, I can do like 4-6 shows for the same cost Berlin would have been.  Berlin flights are close to $2000 return, while I paid about $380 return for both Seattle and LA, and $270 for Vancouver.  My flights + hotels for those three cities were probably less than just the Berlin flight would be.  
    On the other hand, if there are zero or limited North American shows, like in 2018, I’d 100% had picked a city getting two shows in Europe.  
    Finally, some of the usual popular places to visit got skipped (Italy, Amsterdam) and nothing that is a bit “different” to visit like Budapest or Krakow this time around.
    Look for a part-time job! It would be difficult for me to work a part-time job when I already have a full-time one.
    Re the record - people are entitled to their opinions.
    My main point is the ticket prices are crazy and that has been reflected in poor sales as seen in London. Better to charge less and have a full stadium or charge what they are charging and have large empty sections? The first, I think. 
  • Philip_Ireland
    Philip_Ireland Posts: 673
    edited June 2024
    Ryan said:
    marumaruko said:
    Ryan said:
    Philip_Ireland said:
    sdharv1919 said:
    Philip_Ireland said:
    drfox said:
    Philip_Ireland said:
    beano.79 said:
    drfox said:
    It’s not the ticket prices it’s the late announcement when lots of people had already booked to see other concerts 
    All the noise on social media over the last few months points to it being the ticket prices 
    Exactly- of course it’s the price. Second they are touring a bombing album 
    Is it bombing? Reached #2 here with minimal promotion. Doing no different to other similar bands from the same era.
    Reached number 2 briefly then tumbled. It lasted about a week on the Billboard charts- there are a multitude of 50 year old albums that are selling better than it. See article below and bear in mind that it’s a month old. It’s definitely not selling as expected. 

    Original post updated for charts for week ending June 15, 2024.

    "Wreckage" climbs to No. 9 at alternative radio, No. 8 at mainstream rock and No. 6 at Triple-A. It also moves up from No. 36 to No. 28 on the Canada Rock chart.

    Dark Matter hangs on in the top 50 of Top Current Album Sales for a seventh week, selling between 1,700 and 1,800 copies.
    That ‘Wreckage’ song title speaks for itself. They have a few of those songs on every album, please- do something a little/ lot more interesting than this standard ballad fluff! Nobody wants to hear this on an album!!!!
    If you don’t like the new record, and the price of tickets is too high, then why bother going to the show?
    And if you’re experience a, “cost of living crisis” maybe skip the shows, stop complaining in multiple threads and use the time/resources to look for a part-time job?

    Regarding the Europe ticket sales, I’ve seen it mentioned once or twice but I don’t think it can be understated that way fewer North Americans are travelling to UK/EU shows this year.  With how many shows there are on “home soil” for us, I can do like 4-6 shows for the same cost Berlin would have been.  Berlin flights are close to $2000 return, while I paid about $380 return for both Seattle and LA, and $270 for Vancouver.  My flights + hotels for those three cities were probably less than just the Berlin flight would be.  
    On the other hand, if there are zero or limited North American shows, like in 2018, I’d 100% had picked a city getting two shows in Europe.  
    Finally, some of the usual popular places to visit got skipped (Italy, Amsterdam) and nothing that is a bit “different” to visit like Budapest or Krakow this time around.
    Wondered why Americans are so popular in Europe sometimes? Read this comment. 


    A) I’m not american
    B) I can’t imagine disliking a band’s new record, and thinking they’re charging too much for concert tickets, and still be wasting time complaining about it on a message board four months after tickets went on sale.  
    Well, it would be all very one sided and fawning if people didn’t complain/offer differing opinions. It’s  not like i’m the first and the ticket price issue has definitely irked people. Just saying!
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,783
    Philip_Ireland said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Selling terribly? Or just not filling up the place?
    Both- did you not see this?


    https://www.reddit.com/r/pearljam/comments/1defeng/2_weeks_out_has_a_pj_london_show_ever_sold_this/
    Yes but how many seats sold... Looks like a lot 
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,783
    matt84 said:
    Philip_Ireland said:
    sdharv1919 said:
    Philip_Ireland said:
    drfox said:
    Philip_Ireland said:
    beano.79 said:
    drfox said:
    It’s not the ticket prices it’s the late announcement when lots of people had already booked to see other concerts 
    All the noise on social media over the last few months points to it being the ticket prices 
    Exactly- of course it’s the price. Second they are touring a bombing album 
    Is it bombing? Reached #2 here with minimal promotion. Doing no different to other similar bands from the same era.
    Reached number 2 briefly then tumbled. It lasted about a week on the Billboard charts- there are a multitude of 50 year old albums that are selling better than it. See article below and bear in mind that it’s a month old. It’s definitely not selling as expected. 

    Original post updated for charts for week ending June 15, 2024.

    "Wreckage" climbs to No. 9 at alternative radio, No. 8 at mainstream rock and No. 6 at Triple-A. It also moves up from No. 36 to No. 28 on the Canada Rock chart.

    Dark Matter hangs on in the top 50 of Top Current Album Sales for a seventh week, selling between 1,700 and 1,800 copies.
    That ‘Wreckage’ song title speaks for itself. They have a few of those songs on every album, please- do something a little/ lot more interesting than this standard ballad fluff! Nobody wants to hear this on an album!!!!
    Kind of disagree. Although ‘Wreckage’ isn’t a great song - ‘Sirens’ and ‘Just Breath’ are fantastic.
    My opinion is the opposite... Sirens is painful, jb is a good ev song, wreckage fits nicely on the album 
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  • rangers72
    rangers72 lockerbie.uk Posts: 175
    Ticket prices are certainly the main issue but there are other issues.England playing the same night as the Manchester gig and possibly on the same night as the London show as well.Logistically the London show is far from ideal(a bit like the Milton Keynes show).Marketing hasnt been great and when they played Hyde Park BST done a really good job getting the shows out there.There is also a lot bands out there who are not selling out (at cheaper prices),bands like The Killers and Kings Of Leon who are popular in the UK are not selling out there shows either.There is also a lot of big hitters touring like AC/DC,Springsteen,Green day and Foo Fighters touring just now as well which doesnt help as there is a lot more hype when these bands tour as well.The band dont get a lot of airplay in the UK and when the new album came out i emailed Radio 2 asking why as it i thought it would fit there demographic and in fairness they emailed me back saying they would review it and now wreckage is getting some airplay so im taking some credit for that!
  • Paul Spencer
    Paul Spencer Posts: 16
    I think the issue is ENTIRELY about ticket prices. In 2022 they sold out two nights at BST, that's 130,000 tickets but just two years later, they are struggling to sell much more than 50-70%(?) of the tickets at Tottenham, which has a capacity of just 50,000. 

    The difference being, that ticket prices to watch Pearl Jam in London have DOUBLED in just two years. There's not a shadow of a doubt in my mind, that had ticket prices remained at roughly the same price (or slightly higher) as they were for BST, then Tottenham would have sold out quickly. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the venue or it's location, Beyonce sold out 5 nights there last year.

    The last time Pearl Jam played at the O2, the highest priced tickets were £85 and now they wanted people to (initially) pay £159 to sit on the back row of a football stadium! Just what on earth did anybody expect to happen? There is absolutely no justification whatsoever for prices to have increased to such an extent.

    The issue, is about greed, pure and simple and Live Nation, Ticketmaster and Pearl Jam are all equally complicit. If the band reject the proposed ticket prices, then the shows don't happen, period. The management represent the band and the management negotiate with the promoters (Live Nation) and the eventual ticket price is arrived at after they reach an agreement that is acceptable to both parties.

    And it's back fired on everybody involved spectacularly!  it's just extremely sad to find that Pearl Jam of all artists are the act at that centre of the failure.
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    The single price regardless of seat location is absurd, does any other artist / act do this for arenas? 

    My 10c # is good enough that I still expect at least lower bowl seats if I score, but if I had a chance of landing in the upper level, I probably wouldn't even bother with the lottery... it's too much $ for mediocre seats.
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,056
    Paul Spencer said:
    I think the issue is ENTIRELY about ticket prices. In 2022 they sold out two nights at BST, that's 130,000 tickets but just two years later, they are struggling to sell much more than 50-70%(?) of the tickets at Tottenham, which has a capacity of just 50,000. 

    The difference being, that ticket prices to watch Pearl Jam in London have DOUBLED in just two years. There's not a shadow of a doubt in my mind, that had ticket prices remained at roughly the same price (or slightly higher) as they were for BST, then Tottenham would have sold out quickly. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the venue or it's location, Beyonce sold out 5 nights there last year.

    The last time Pearl Jam played at the O2, the highest priced tickets were £85 and now they wanted people to (initially) pay £159 to sit on the back row of a football stadium! Just what on earth did anybody expect to happen? There is absolutely no justification whatsoever for prices to have increased to such an extent.

    The issue, is about greed, pure and simple and Live Nation, Ticketmaster and Pearl Jam are all equally complicit. If the band reject the proposed ticket prices, then the shows don't happen, period. The management represent the band and the management negotiate with the promoters (Live Nation) and the eventual ticket price is arrived at after they reach an agreement that is acceptable to both parties.

    And it's back fired on everybody involved spectacularly!  it's just extremely sad to find that Pearl Jam of all artists are the act at that centre of the failure.
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  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,925
    edited June 2024
    Paul Spencer said:
    I think the issue is ENTIRELY about ticket prices. In 2022 they sold out two nights at BST, that's 130,000 tickets but just two years later, they are struggling to sell much more than 50-70%(?) of the tickets at Tottenham, which has a capacity of just 50,000. 

    The difference being, that ticket prices to watch Pearl Jam in London have DOUBLED in just two years. There's not a shadow of a doubt in my mind, that had ticket prices remained at roughly the same price (or slightly higher) as they were for BST, then Tottenham would have sold out quickly. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the venue or it's location, Beyonce sold out 5 nights there last year.

    The last time Pearl Jam played at the O2, the highest priced tickets were £85 and now they wanted people to (initially) pay £159 to sit on the back row of a football stadium! Just what on earth did anybody expect to happen? There is absolutely no justification whatsoever for prices to have increased to such an extent.

    The issue, is about greed, pure and simple and Live Nation, Ticketmaster and Pearl Jam are all equally complicit. If the band reject the proposed ticket prices, then the shows don't happen, period. The management represent the band and the management negotiate with the promoters (Live Nation) and the eventual ticket price is arrived at after they reach an agreement that is acceptable to both parties.

    And it's back fired on everybody involved spectacularly!  it's just extremely sad to find that Pearl Jam of all artists are the act at that centre of the failure.
    Props to the Euro fans for not putting up with that bullshit.  Doubling the price in just 2 years is insane.  I wonder what they would have to charge in the US for people to stop buying tickets no matter what.
    Post edited by Indifference71 on
  • Loujoe
    Loujoe Posts: 12,083
    US here...Honestly I'm out. Partly prices, partly crowds,  losing seniority seating plus being to a bunch of shows already. Been spoiled and will just let it go and chase a hot poster maybe. 
    Know a couple first timers going to see them in Ireland. Never complained about prices to me. Live there and hope they love it.
    Not an easy habit to break. Nothing really beats a live pj show. Y'aaaaknow!!
     
  • evenflow82
    evenflow82 Posts: 3,892
    edited June 2024
    From what I have read, large ticketing companies offer up the largest stadium they think the band could sell out and then sell them for the highest price. This gives them an idea of where "the line in the sand" is as far as how far they can push the demand and the consumer. 

    If it sells out, they underestimated cost and demand. If it doesn't sell out they overestimated the cost and demand and next tour it may be a bigger venue with higher prices or two nights at a big venue at higher prices. 

    Essentially it is economic chicken between ticketing companies and the fan. Some fans have balked at this in Europe 2024, which means the next tour will probably be in smaller venues with similar prices. This will create less seats which will drive demand which will be justification for future price hikes. 

    Just how I see it. Full disclosure, I am American and am only going to the two Wrigley shows. That's all I could afford. 
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  • Haijay
    Haijay Posts: 456
    PJNB said:
    vedpunk said:
    Maybe they should stop playing shows in Europe so often to less enthusiastic fans not willing to pay up and instead play more cities in their home country and other parts of the world to more die hard fans that are more appreciative and willing to spend money on the best live band on the planet.
    If they played a show in Texas at a venue the same size as the one in London do you think the sales would be any different? 
    They would sell out Globe Life, Minute Maid, or the Alamodome, absolutely. 

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