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  • aurynsdad
    aurynsdad Posts: 863
    edited May 2024
    MD190661 said:
    Went to Sacramento and Vegas 1 got the setlist I wanted. Wah!
    I went to Sac as well and although Vegas got a great setlist, I think the ferocity of the performance there is what I'm most jealous about. Our setlist was pretty good - if Faithfull had been played well, the barn would have been burnin' early. But yeah, since this is the complainers thread, why you gotta do my kids like that, PJ? Sac was their first show. If it had been Vegas, they'd be PJ fans for life. Now only maybe one of them is, lol.
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  • spankyMP
    spankyMP NY to NC to NH Posts: 2,019
    More than half of sec 111 is still available as PJ Premium for LA1. Would have been nice 10C tix.
    Randall's Island 9/29/96, Continental Arena 9/8/98, MSG 9/10/98, Jones Beach 8/23/00, 8/24/00, 8/25/00, Nassau Coliseum 4/30/03, MSG 7/8/03, 7/9/03, Continental Arena 6/1/06, 6/3/06, MSG 6/24/08, 6/25/08, Spectrum 10/30/09, 10/31/09, MSG 5/20/10, 5/21/10, PJ20 9/3/11, 9/4/11, Charlottesville 10/29/13, Charlotte 10/30/13, Global Citizen 9/26/15, Raleigh 4/20/16 :( Baltimore 3/28/20 :( Austin 9/18/23, 9/19/23, Forum 5/21/24, Baltimore 9/12/24, Fenway 9/17/24, Nashville 5/6/25, 5/8/25
  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    aurynsdad said:
    MD190661 said:
    Went to Sacramento and Vegas 1 got the setlist I wanted. Wah!
    I went to Sac as well and although Vegas got a great setlist, I think the ferocity of the performance there is what I'm most jealous about. Our setlist was pretty good - if Faithfull had been played well, the barn would have been burnin' early. But yeah, since this is the complainers thread, why you gotta do my kids like that, PJ? Sac was their first show. If it had been Vegas, they'd be PJ fans for life. Now only maybe one of them is, lol.
    Are you surprised? Vegas was always going to have more ferocious energy than a cow town 
  • rummy
    rummy British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,466
    I saw two shows in Vancouver and that’s not enough.

    Almost 18 years ago I decided to get married and eventually have two kids. These three bleed me dry of all my money… money I could be using to see Pearl Jam in Las Vegas… Los Angeles… Seattle!!!

    I mean, they played Hail Hail last night and I wasn’t there… because I have kids!!

    (Is that a good complaint? 🤷‍♂️)
  • MikeDigs
    MikeDigs Santa Monica, CA Posts: 1,680
    rummy said:
    I saw two shows in Vancouver and that’s not enough.

    Almost 18 years ago I decided to get married and eventually have two kids. These three bleed me dry of all my money… money I could be using to see Pearl Jam in Las Vegas… Los Angeles… Seattle!!!

    I mean, they played Hail Hail last night and I wasn’t there… because I have kids!!

    (Is that a good complaint? 🤷‍♂️)
    I don't have kids, and I support this as a good complaint.
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    schaefferlax said:
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    Abe Froman said:
    I fucking despise Taylor Swift and Billie Eilish. Horrible. 
    Going to the Taylor Swift concert on sunday. Will be lovely. 
    Have fun!  To each their own. 
    I think their music and personalities suck. 
    Taylor Swift is one of the most genuinely nice people you could ever meet, but whatever.
    Based on what exactly? Greedy, pollutes the planet with her completely unnecessary private jet use, and makes terrible corporate music. What a gem!
    "Terrible corporate music": I don't really know what to say to this. It's just so off-base.

    Anyway, I say this based on how she treats people. I have seen her when there are no cameras, and she is unfailingly nice and generous. I have seen her meet with young fans and you would think she was more excited to meet the fans than they were to meet her. I am close friends with someone who grew up around her and her family, and have heard only about how consistently kind and thoughtful she is, and about many acts of thoughtfulness and generosity that she engages in without publicity.

    If you think that the fact that Taylor Swift, one of the most famous people in the world, with massive security concerns, refrains from flying commercial makes her not a nice person, well, again, I don't really know how to respond to that.
    To your last point, it's not about flying private. It's about taking a 10 minute private jet flight that could be substituted for a 30 minute car ride. And her music sucks, period.
    You can’t win against this guy, he knows EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING, and lets us know multiple times a day on here🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

    And yes, her music is crap, complete commercial shite💩💩💩💩


    What’s wrong with commercial music?  Never got this attitude.  Yea sometimes I want just pure pop music to feel good too.  Music doesn’t have to be and shouldn’t be just about one genre. 

    And she may be commercial and pop but she does it better than anyone has since the 80s of Madonna and whacko Michael Jackson,  she’s probably the biggest star in the world.  
    Being a star doe not mean the music is quality. She owes her success to marketing.
    You don't like her music. We get it. Taste is subjective. But her critical acclaim and massive commercial success suggest that your opinion is not widely shared. Marketing does not write phenomenal songs, let alone a prolific number of them over nearly two decades. 
    "Phenomenal songs" give me a break lmao
    "All Too Well," "August," "Invisible String," "Anti-Hero"-- I could go on and on and on. Again, taste is subjective, but dismissing Taylor Swift's ability as a songwriter is basically admitting either to being ignorant about songwriting or ignorant about her body of work. Quoting a line from a virtual B-side is not proving what you think it proves. I could quote you some pretty cringeworthy Eddie Vedder lyrics; it doesn't mean he's not a great songwriter.
    Trash, trash, trash, and more trash. In my opinion.
    There is zero chance you've actually listened to "August" or "Invisible String."
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • RatherStarved
    RatherStarved Posts: 5,773
    Can I complain about the Dead setlist?
    PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024:  Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2; Indy; Chicago 1-2; MSG 1-2; Philly 2; Boston 2; Ohana 1-2; 2025: FL 1-2, ATL 1-2, Nash 1-2, Pit 1-2.
     
    EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.

    Gutted:  London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,901
    All complaints welcomed 


    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • OW260994
    OW260994 Posts: 3
    Is it wrong for the hat to irritate me so much ? Will it ever come off ? 
  • YourDirtisMyfood
    YourDirtisMyfood Boston Posts: 4,668
    BF25394 said:
    YourDirtisMyfood said:
    That scarf that Taylor gave Jake better be a one of a kind Gucci to make all that fuss about.
    The scarf is a metaphor.
    For an actual scarf 
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,901
    It bothers me also but be careful not to write this anywhere else on here. People get really annoyed 


    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,595
    pjhawks said:
    Haijay said:
    schaefferlax said:
    BF25394 said:
    schaefferlax said:
    BF25394 said:
    Abe Froman said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Abe Froman said:
    I fucking despise Taylor Swift and Billie Eilish. Horrible. 
    Going to the Taylor Swift concert on sunday. Will be lovely. 
    Have fun!  To each their own. 
    I think their music and personalities suck. 
    Taylor Swift is one of the most genuinely nice people you could ever meet, but whatever.
    Based on what exactly? Greedy, pollutes the planet with her completely unnecessary private jet use, and makes terrible corporate music. What a gem!
    "Terrible corporate music": I don't really know what to say to this. It's just so off-base.

    Anyway, I say this based on how she treats people. I have seen her when there are no cameras, and she is unfailingly nice and generous. I have seen her meet with young fans and you would think she was more excited to meet the fans than they were to meet her. I am close friends with someone who grew up around her and her family, and have heard only about how consistently kind and thoughtful she is, and about many acts of thoughtfulness and generosity that she engages in without publicity.

    If you think that the fact that Taylor Swift, one of the most famous people in the world, with massive security concerns, refrains from flying commercial makes her not a nice person, well, again, I don't really know how to respond to that.
    To your last point, it's not about flying private. It's about taking a 10 minute private jet flight that could be substituted for a 30 minute car ride. And her music sucks, period.
    You can’t win against this guy, he knows EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING, and lets us know multiple times a day on here🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

    And yes, her music is crap, complete commercial shite💩💩💩💩


    What’s wrong with commercial music?  Never got this attitude.  Yea sometimes I want just pure pop music to feel good too.  Music doesn’t have to be and shouldn’t be just about one genre. 

    And she may be commercial and pop but she does it better than anyone has since the 80s of Madonna and whacko Michael Jackson,  she’s probably the biggest star in the world.  
    I'd also argue as much, if not more, effort goes into making pop music as it does for "real music". 

    Its fine if an artist or a style of music is not for you, but that should be it. To think one type of music is lesser and another is superior or has more artistic integrity is just weird.

  • MikeDigs
    MikeDigs Santa Monica, CA Posts: 1,680
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjhawks said:
    Haijay said:
    schaefferlax said:
    BF25394 said:
    schaefferlax said:
    BF25394 said:
    Abe Froman said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Abe Froman said:
    I fucking despise Taylor Swift and Billie Eilish. Horrible. 
    Going to the Taylor Swift concert on sunday. Will be lovely. 
    Have fun!  To each their own. 
    I think their music and personalities suck. 
    Taylor Swift is one of the most genuinely nice people you could ever meet, but whatever.
    Based on what exactly? Greedy, pollutes the planet with her completely unnecessary private jet use, and makes terrible corporate music. What a gem!
    "Terrible corporate music": I don't really know what to say to this. It's just so off-base.

    Anyway, I say this based on how she treats people. I have seen her when there are no cameras, and she is unfailingly nice and generous. I have seen her meet with young fans and you would think she was more excited to meet the fans than they were to meet her. I am close friends with someone who grew up around her and her family, and have heard only about how consistently kind and thoughtful she is, and about many acts of thoughtfulness and generosity that she engages in without publicity.

    If you think that the fact that Taylor Swift, one of the most famous people in the world, with massive security concerns, refrains from flying commercial makes her not a nice person, well, again, I don't really know how to respond to that.
    To your last point, it's not about flying private. It's about taking a 10 minute private jet flight that could be substituted for a 30 minute car ride. And her music sucks, period.
    You can’t win against this guy, he knows EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING, and lets us know multiple times a day on here🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

    And yes, her music is crap, complete commercial shite💩💩💩💩


    What’s wrong with commercial music?  Never got this attitude.  Yea sometimes I want just pure pop music to feel good too.  Music doesn’t have to be and shouldn’t be just about one genre. 

    And she may be commercial and pop but she does it better than anyone has since the 80s of Madonna and whacko Michael Jackson,  she’s probably the biggest star in the world.  
    I'd also argue as much, if not more, effort goes into making pop music as it does for "real music". 

    Its fine if an artist or a style of music is not for you, but that should be it. To think one type of music is lesser and another is superior or has more artistic integrity is just weird.
    It's the other way around here.   Pop music is very cookie cutter and uses approaches that appeal to the masses.  There are a handful of very talented behind the scenes producers / composers / writers, with proven success, that the pop artists use to craft popular hits.  Now these behind the scenes creators are VERY talented, but once they strike gold with a musical concept, it is then widely and frequently spread to other artists and musical projects.  It's very much an industry, with the goal of hooking the masses with catchy music.

    There's also a wide range of musical talent amongst pop artists.  Those that do actually have talent tend to rise up and be megastars.   It's evident that Taylor Swift is very talented.  Add in Lady Gaga and Dua Lipa for example.

    But the idea of appealing to the masses with cookie cutter approaches with the pop genre can be a turnoff for some.   I love and respect great talent though.

    And Pop Country is the absolute worst when it comes to regurgitated music.  Just do some light YouTube research on that, it's sickening.  But there's a mass of people that eat it up, and pay the money.  So it gets made repeatedly :sick:
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,595
    In what ways is it cookie cutter? At the end of the day, they are writing a song like anyone else. To say nothing of trying to write a song thats memorable and with a hook. I think its reductive to say its all the same because its not and its very difficult to make a ht song. 
     


     
  • MikeDigs
    MikeDigs Santa Monica, CA Posts: 1,680
    edited May 2024
    Tim Simmons said:
    In what ways is it cookie cutter? At the end of the day, they are writing a song like anyone else. To say nothing of trying to write a song thats memorable and with a hook. I think its reductive to say its all the same because its not and its very difficult to make a ht song. 
    The best answer to your question on cookie cutter would be a quick search.  Just a light dive in to research the industry.  In summary,  things that get re-used are song structure,  melody,  sounds, progressions, and other concepts.

    If you see what I wrote,  the behind the scenes composers and writers are very talented, and so they achieve great success to make hits.   The point is...  once they find something that sticks, it is then widely used.  That is what the cookie cutter concept entails.

    Given that, and as I mentioned,  if the artist too is very talented, then you get an even bigger and better result.  Taylor Swift is clearly very talented and able to stand out.

    All of my points apply to pop music in general over the decades.

    To your point, it can be difficult to stand out, which is why the talent aspect is important.   Taylor shines in that regard
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  • Go Animal
    Go Animal Posts: 7,351
    I dunno, the Ramones wrote the same song for 25 yrs. AC/DC for 50. Love both :) 
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles (Inglewood) I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Alone, Let Me Sleep, Brother, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • MikeDigs
    MikeDigs Santa Monica, CA Posts: 1,680
    Go Animal said:
    I dunno, the Ramones wrote the same song for 25 yrs. AC/DC for 50. Love both :) 
    Right, if you like it then all the better.  Alot of bands lean on the same sounds within a structure.  If it's not broke, no reason to change.  I'm a big fan of power chords too, I say keep em going! 
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  • SandyRavage
    SandyRavage Posts: 1,126
    No Gigaton songs in the set 2 nights in a row for the first time since the album came out. Has the Gigaton chapter closed for certain? 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,474
    edited May 2024
    schaefferlax said:
    pjhawks said:
    Haijay said:
    schaefferlax said:
    BF25394 said:
    schaefferlax said:
    BF25394 said:
    Abe Froman said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Abe Froman said:
    I fucking despise Taylor Swift and Billie Eilish. Horrible. 
    Going to the Taylor Swift concert on sunday. Will be lovely. 
    Have fun!  To each their own. 
    I think their music and personalities suck. 
    Taylor Swift is one of the most genuinely nice people you could ever meet, but whatever.
    Based on what exactly? Greedy, pollutes the planet with her completely unnecessary private jet use, and makes terrible corporate music. What a gem!
    "Terrible corporate music": I don't really know what to say to this. It's just so off-base.

    Anyway, I say this based on how she treats people. I have seen her when there are no cameras, and she is unfailingly nice and generous. I have seen her meet with young fans and you would think she was more excited to meet the fans than they were to meet her. I am close friends with someone who grew up around her and her family, and have heard only about how consistently kind and thoughtful she is, and about many acts of thoughtfulness and generosity that she engages in without publicity.

    If you think that the fact that Taylor Swift, one of the most famous people in the world, with massive security concerns, refrains from flying commercial makes her not a nice person, well, again, I don't really know how to respond to that.
    To your last point, it's not about flying private. It's about taking a 10 minute private jet flight that could be substituted for a 30 minute car ride. And her music sucks, period.
    You can’t win against this guy, he knows EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING, and lets us know multiple times a day on here🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

    And yes, her music is crap, complete commercial shite💩💩💩💩


    What’s wrong with commercial music?  Never got this attitude.  Yea sometimes I want just pure pop music to feel good too.  Music doesn’t have to be and shouldn’t be just about one genre. 

    And she may be commercial and pop but she does it better than anyone has since the 80s of Madonna and whacko Michael Jackson,  she’s probably the biggest star in the world.  
    Being a star doe not mean the music is quality. She owes her success to marketing.
    Being a star doe not mean the music is quality. They owe their success to Nirvana going big and anything out of Seattle being marketed. 
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,899
    MikeDigs said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    In what ways is it cookie cutter? At the end of the day, they are writing a song like anyone else. To say nothing of trying to write a song thats memorable and with a hook. I think its reductive to say its all the same because its not and its very difficult to make a ht song. 
    The best answer to your question on cookie cutter would be a quick search.  Just a light dive in to research the industry.  In summary,  things that get re-used are song structure,  melody,  sounds, progressions, and other concepts.

    If you see what I wrote,  the behind the scenes composers and writers are very talented, and so they achieve great success to make hits.   The point is...  once they find something that sticks, it is then widely used.  That is what the cookie cutter concept entails.

    Given that, and as I mentioned,  if the artist too is very talented, then you get an even bigger and better result.  Taylor Swift is clearly very talented and able to stand out.

    All of my points apply to pop music in general over the decades.

    To your point, it can be difficult to stand out, which is why the talent aspect is important.   Taylor shines in that regard

    Or without research, how about the standard 4/4 monotonous drum beat predominant in pop music, even a lot of classic pop rock. To me doesn’t matter how talented the artist is, if the drum beat is standard, it sounds low effort to my ears.

    For fans that dig that, great, enjoy! But for me, that’s physically painful to listen to. 

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