European Tour Sales = Desaster

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  • yorkshirestone
    yorkshirestone Posts: 38
    pjl44 said:
    yorkshirestone said:
    Nick cave and the bad seeds uk arena tour on sale this week 

    seats 50-100 gbp 
    standing 70-80 gbp 

    just got a presale standing for leeds

    suspect if pj pricing was similar would have sold out 

    (Cue all the excuses etc) 

    Thank you for the observation that tickets sell faster when priced lower
    You’re welcome. Appropriate to the thread/title and shows at least in Europe Pj prices well out of whack.
  • IJustWantedLukin
    IJustWantedLukin Melbourne, Australia Posts: 26
    I am curious as to why golden circle tickets for berlin were 175, and then the worst seats in the joint at the back were also initially 175 (now 125 it seems). why would they be the same price??

    also to note, the demand in Australia was so high that two 50k stadium shows sold out and so we've got two nights in melbourne and sydney. meanwhile, struggling to fill anything out in europe. moral = go to places you haven't been for a while.

    and lower the damn price 
    Eí per noi un piacere augurarvi insieme
    Ai R.E.M. un buon cetriolo
  • cloudsnmars
    cloudsnmars Switzerland (for now) But from Aotearoa Posts: 113
    yorkshirestone said:
    Nick cave and the bad seeds uk arena tour on sale this week 

    seats 50-100 gbp 
    standing 70-80 gbp 

    just got a presale standing for leeds

    suspect if pj pricing was similar would have sold out 

    (Cue all the excuses etc) 

    Yeah, Got a ticket to Nick also.. a respectable 93.- for the floor.If Nick can do these prices , so should PJ. 
  • STATEOFLOVE59
    STATEOFLOVE59 Posts: 20
    cloudsnmars said:
    yorkshirestone said:
    Nick cave and the bad seeds uk arena tour on sale this week 

    seats 50-100 gbp 
    standing 70-80 gbp 

    just got a presale standing for leeds

    suspect if pj pricing was similar would have sold out 

    (Cue all the excuses etc) 

    Yeah, Got a ticket to Nick also.. a respectable 93.- for the floor.If Nick can do these prices , so should PJ. 
    cloudsnmars said:
    yorkshirestone said:
    Nick cave and the bad seeds uk arena tour on sale this week 

    seats 50-100 gbp 
    standing 70-80 gbp 

    just got a presale standing for leeds

    suspect if pj pricing was similar would have sold out 

    (Cue all the excuses etc) 

    Yeah, Got a ticket to Nick also.. a respectable 93.- for the floor.If Nick can do these prices , so should PJ. 

    Is nick a LiveNation artist?
  • Benz
    Benz Posts: 120
    Today got tickets for Dua Lipa (for my Daughter) which is a much bigger act here at the moment. Same location (Berlin Waldbühne) and the prices where 93€ for seats and 120€ for inner circle standing. I do not get why PJ cannot do this.
    Also no reserved seating.

  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 492
    edited March 2024
    Bands like Foo Fighters and Green Day are also better known here in Germany and Europe, more popular with the masses and attract more fans. And how much did the tickets for Green Day in the GelreDome Arnhem cost, for example? 70 euros for great seats.

    Yes, this is a place of free expression. But at this point we can also simply state that 175 euros especially for the upper tier of the Walbühne Berlin is completely absurd. 
    Post edited by Zen23 on
  • Haijay
    Haijay Posts: 439
    Zen23 said:
    Bands like Foo Fighters and Green Day are also better known here in Germany and Europe, more popular with the masses and attract more fans. And how much did the tickets for Green Day in the GelreDome Arnhem cost, for example? 70 euros for great seats.

    Yes, this is a place of free expression. But at this point we can also simply state that 175 euros especially for the upper tier of the Walbühne Berlin is completely absurd. 
    ALL about the ticket price, thats it………

    Barcelona 2018 sold out in minutes, Berlin ‘22 was sold out in a few days?, and their ‘22 London BST was the fastest sellout yet, thats why one was added. Festival Schmestival, the ticket sales were for PJ. 
    This is ALL about the price, i’m sure a lesson has been learned. 
  • Haijay
    Haijay Posts: 439
    Haijay said:
    Zen23 said:
    Bands like Foo Fighters and Green Day are also better known here in Germany and Europe, more popular with the masses and attract more fans. And how much did the tickets for Green Day in the GelreDome Arnhem cost, for example? 70 euros for great seats.

    Yes, this is a place of free expression. But at this point we can also simply state that 175 euros especially for the upper tier of the Walbühne Berlin is completely absurd. 
    ALL about the ticket price, thats it………

    Barcelona 2018 sold out in minutes, Berlin ‘22 was sold out in a few days?, and their ‘22 London BST was the fastest sellout yet, thats why one was added. Festival Schmestival, the ticket sales were for PJ. 
    This is ALL about the price, i’m sure a lesson has been learned. 
    Sorry, 2020 was the BST onsale, of course
  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,214
    For me PJ are still worthy of these prices, I know its subjective, but there isnt another band on the planet Id rather see. 

    I know I'll go home buzzing - and continue so for many days after. 

    I cant wait for June. 
  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 492
    edited March 2024
    Just so there are no misunderstandings. I am not providing the following statistics to make fun of the European sales figures. I go to some of these concerts myself, or plan to. I would therefore be delighted if they were sold out. On the other hand, I think it's good that the fans have sent out a signal that a point has been reached that they can no longer tolerate. A price point at which such Pearl Jam concerts no longer sell out within hours or even minutes. Instead, after a month of presale, it looks like this:

    Manchester
    Around 1,500 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets

    London
    Around 10,000 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets and areas that appear to have been removed from sale 

    Berlin 1
    Around 6,000 seats available

    Berlin 2
    Around 7,000 seats available

    Barcelona 1
    Around 3,500 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets and areas that appear to have been removed from sale 

    Barcelona 2
    Around 7,000 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets and areas that appear to have been removed from sale 

    All figures are estimates. Not accurate to the last blue Ticketmaster dot. But not imprecisely rough either. A healthy extrapolated average of accuracy.
    Post edited by Zen23 on
  • tino_11
    tino_11 Posts: 2,185
    Barca 1 and Manchester only had premium standing left when available so if assume not many left at either venue
    'F*** the pessimists. F*** 'em.' Eddie Vedder
  • DevonPearl
    DevonPearl Posts: 284
    Those prices are big BS! But hey, they call it a world tour.
  • drfox
    drfox Posts: 1,481
    edited March 2024
    Zen23 said:
    Just so there are no misunderstandings. I am not providing the following statistics to make fun of the European sales figures. I go to some of these concerts myself, or plan to. I would therefore be delighted if they were sold out. On the other hand, I think it's good that the fans have sent out a signal that a point has been reached that they can no longer tolerate. A price point at which such Pearl Jam concerts no longer sell out within hours or even minutes. Instead, after a month of presale, it looks like this:

    Manchester
    Around 1,500 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets

    London
    Around 10,000 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets and areas that appear to have been removed from sale 

    Berlin 1
    Around 6,000 seats available

    Berlin 2
    Around 7,000 seats available

    Barcelona 1
    Around 3,500 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets and areas that appear to have been removed from sale 

    Barcelona 2
    Around 7,000 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets and areas that appear to have been removed from sale 

    All figures are estimates. Not accurate to the last blue pop Ticketmaster dot. But not imprecisely rough either. A healthy extrapolated average of accuracy.
    They should have done Manchester 2 or Dublin 2 instead of Berlin 2 or Barcelona 2 (plus Manchester and Dublin are larger venue). Bet they are kicking themselves 

    I’ll be in Barcelona - going to be strange if that amount remain unsold 
    Post edited by drfox on
  • RatherStarved
    RatherStarved Posts: 5,773
    drfox said:
    Zen23 said:
    Just so there are no misunderstandings. I am not providing the following statistics to make fun of the European sales figures. I go to some of these concerts myself, or plan to. I would therefore be delighted if they were sold out. On the other hand, I think it's good that the fans have sent out a signal that a point has been reached that they can no longer tolerate. A price point at which such Pearl Jam concerts no longer sell out within hours or even minutes. Instead, after a month of presale, it looks like this:

    Manchester
    Around 1,500 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets

    London
    Around 10,000 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets and areas that appear to have been removed from sale 

    Berlin 1
    Around 6,000 seats available

    Berlin 2
    Around 7,000 seats available

    Barcelona 1
    Around 3,500 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets and areas that appear to have been removed from sale 

    Barcelona 2
    Around 7,000 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets and areas that appear to have been removed from sale 

    All figures are estimates. Not accurate to the last blue pop Ticketmaster dot. But not imprecisely rough either. A healthy extrapolated average of accuracy.
    They should have done Manchester 2 or Dublin 2 instead of Berlin 2 or Barcelona 2 (plus Manchester and Dublin are larger venue). Bet they are kicking themselves 

    I’ll be in Barcelona - going to be strange if that amount remain unsold 
    They are not kicking themselves.  Almost definitely they have a guaranteed fee for each show.  The promoter is the one who needs to sell tickets to afford the fee and hopefully make a profit.  And I would just say that selling 51% of a venue at 160 Pounds is more ticket revenue than selling 100% of the venue at 80 Pounds.  Promoters want to maximize revenue.  Not necessarily volume of sales.  
    PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024:  Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2; Indy; Chicago 1-2; MSG 1-2; Philly 2; Boston 2; Ohana 1-2; 2025: FL 1-2, ATL 1-2, Nash 1-2, Pit 1-2.
     
    EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.

    Gutted:  London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
  • LiveAtLeeds
    LiveAtLeeds Posts: 156
    And selling 100% of a venue at £100 is more than both.it didn't have to be either extreme. It's not that they're a little more than what other artists of greater popularity are charging. It's that they're charging almost double. Also for London specifically nobody wants those awful south stand seats for any more than £50. I think even if they lowered them to that price now, or did 2 for 1 they'd still struggle as general public have decided they're not going already and moved on. 
    Still, after all that I'll be going and I'm front standing so don't mind £160. But I wouldn't pay even half of that for a seat in the south stand with awful sound and a bad view. 
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,901
    Truth ^^


    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • Force Of Nature
    Force Of Nature York, England Posts: 1,135
    Thats the thing, us hardcore fans may pay the asking price but thats because we'll be down the front.
    Those that end up sitting at the back are not exactly going to be hardcore fans, and if you arent a hardcore fan why pay £160 for a show.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,899
    RatherStarved said:
    drfox said:
    Zen23 said:
    Just so there are no misunderstandings. I am not providing the following statistics to make fun of the European sales figures. I go to some of these concerts myself, or plan to. I would therefore be delighted if they were sold out. On the other hand, I think it's good that the fans have sent out a signal that a point has been reached that they can no longer tolerate. A price point at which such Pearl Jam concerts no longer sell out within hours or even minutes. Instead, after a month of presale, it looks like this:

    Manchester
    Around 1,500 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets

    London
    Around 10,000 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets and areas that appear to have been removed from sale 

    Berlin 1
    Around 6,000 seats available

    Berlin 2
    Around 7,000 seats available

    Barcelona 1
    Around 3,500 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets and areas that appear to have been removed from sale 

    Barcelona 2
    Around 7,000 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets and areas that appear to have been removed from sale 

    All figures are estimates. Not accurate to the last blue pop Ticketmaster dot. But not imprecisely rough either. A healthy extrapolated average of accuracy.
    They should have done Manchester 2 or Dublin 2 instead of Berlin 2 or Barcelona 2 (plus Manchester and Dublin are larger venue). Bet they are kicking themselves 

    I’ll be in Barcelona - going to be strange if that amount remain unsold 
    They are not kicking themselves.  Almost definitely they have a guaranteed fee for each show.  The promoter is the one who needs to sell tickets to afford the fee and hopefully make a profit.  And I would just say that selling 51% of a venue at 160 Pounds is more ticket revenue than selling 100% of the venue at 80 Pounds.  Promoters want to maximize revenue.  Not necessarily volume of sales.  

    No worries , they’ll just add some more $2000 MSG seats to help subsidize the euro tour.  if it’s a different promoter in Euro, they’ve been screwed royally by the deciders of how to allocate and price shows. Will they cut back on future euro tours and address the everehelming east coast US demand, no way, they’ll just get more festivals to subsidize future euro tours.

    looking at the following prices, it’s definitely expensive overseas, but it’s torture on the East coast, which never gets the number of shows they’ve played in Euro since 2013. Guess they’re indifferent about $$.

    MSG, $2000

    Baltimore, $700

    Philly $600

    Boston, $500

    Full face value tickets available , -0-
  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 492
    Completely unimaginable here in Europe. At these prices, they can forget about the Waldbühne Berlin or the Co op Live Arena in Manchester. A small pub would have enough capacity for the demand.
  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    edited March 2024
    Zen23 said:
    Just so there are no misunderstandings. I am not providing the following statistics to make fun of the European sales figures. I go to some of these concerts myself, or plan to. I would therefore be delighted if they were sold out. On the other hand, I think it's good that the fans have sent out a signal that a point has been reached that they can no longer tolerate. A price point at which such Pearl Jam concerts no longer sell out within hours or even minutes. Instead, after a month of presale, it looks like this:

    Manchester
    Around 1,500 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets

    London
    Around 10,000 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets and areas that appear to have been removed from sale 

    Berlin 1
    Around 6,000 seats available

    Berlin 2
    Around 7,000 seats available

    Barcelona 1
    Around 3,500 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets and areas that appear to have been removed from sale 

    Barcelona 2
    Around 7,000 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets and areas that appear to have been removed from sale 

    All figures are estimates. Not accurate to the last blue Ticketmaster dot. But not imprecisely rough either. A healthy extrapolated average of accuracy.
    I take it the omission means Dublin sold out 

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