European Tour Sales = Desaster

mace1229

drfox said:

Zen23 said:

Just so there are no misunderstandings. I am not providing the following statistics to make fun of the European sales figures. I go to some of these concerts myself, or plan to. I would therefore be delighted if they were sold out. On the other hand, I think it's good that the fans have sent out a signal that a point has been reached that they can no longer tolerate. A price point at which such Pearl Jam concerts no longer sell out within hours or even minutes. Instead, after a month of presale, it looks like this:

Manchester
Around 1,500 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets

London
Around 10,000 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets and areas that appear to have been removed from sale 

Berlin 1
Around 6,000 seats available

Berlin 2
Around 7,000 seats available

Barcelona 1
Around 3,500 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets and areas that appear to have been removed from sale 

Barcelona 2
Around 7,000 seats available plus an unknown number of standing tickets and areas that appear to have been removed from sale 

All figures are estimates. Not accurate to the last blue pop Ticketmaster dot. But not imprecisely rough either. A healthy extrapolated average of accuracy.

They should have done Manchester 2 or Dublin 2 instead of Berlin 2 or Barcelona 2 (plus Manchester and Dublin are larger venue). Bet they are kicking themselves 

I’ll be in Barcelona - going to be strange if that amount remain unsold 

Or done the rest of the US that sells out.

RatherStarved

Once again the band isn’t economically exposed to whether it sells out.  They get their fee regardless.  If a European promoter offers them more money than an American promoter, they make more money regardless of low ticket sales in Europe compared to higher ticket sales in America.  

What doesn’t make sense is why a European promoter would get themselves into a financial problem, but that isn’t per se the band’s problem.  And once again, again, the promoter might do just fine selling less than all the tickets for a high price compared to selling all the tickets for a low price.  

ilockyer

pdalowsky said:

drfox said:

pdalowsky said:

just_one said:

axeljohan said:

JimFletcherPearlJam said:

Hey, I realize that our collective sample size of German friends probably only numbered fewer than 100 people, but that Hasselhoff thing was a phenomenon that seemingly existed as far as we could tell. There are definitely plenty of differences between various countries, which makes traveling even more interesting than it might be otherwise. Long live Pearl Jam! 

Well, if your German frieds still listened to the Hoff while you were buying Vitalogy, you definitely knew the "wrong" Germans. Hasselhoff had his biggest hit in 1989, when his singing single-handedly brought down the Berlin wall. But by 1994 he wasn't a star anymore, not even in Germany.

Nevertheless, selling out Waldbühne (22k) twice was always a strech for Pearl Jam. They sold out single night at Waldbühne / Wuhlheide everytime in the past. But failed to sell out two night at the O2-arena (17k) back in 2012.

Their new approach of less travelling for the band and let the fans come to us combined with the ticket prices didn't help selling out this time.

i think their approach is the right one (multiple shows on the same city), most big bands nowadays are starting to following that pattern with great sucess  (coldplay , metallica , etc), that being said i think what they got wrong at least in Europe was the ticket prices.

to start have the same price for all places in a venue is just bad and careless planning. Also the price of the tickets were very high. 175€ for Berlin , 164£ for London and 165€ for Barcelona in ALL the places of the arena/stadium in london´s case is just wrong in every single way and as i said above bad planning.

If the prices were more cheaper and in line with where you sit in the arena/stadium the tickets would sell for sure.

they would sell out Waldbühne if the prices were lets say : GA - 130€/150€ , 1st ring seated -  90€/100€ , 2nd ring - 70€/80€ , 3rd ring - 60€/70€

I still believe timing was a bigger issue than the prices........if it was announced last December/November these shows would have sold much faster. So many bands are touring this summer, I desperately wanted to see Placebo but they announced their halifax show even later and it is the same day as the manchester show......so thats one I have to miss

Exactly. I would say the timing is a much bigger factor than the cost. Kings of Leon announced their U.K. arena tour a week after PJ and are playing the same two weeks. They always sell out (and their prices are half of the PJ tickets) but they have standing and seated tickets available still for what looks like every show…..

I am absolutely certain of it too, I know people will point now at the cost as the obvious answer but its an odd one this summer with Green Day, KOL, PJ, Smashing Pumpkins, Weezer, AC/DC, Deep Purple, Foo Fighters, the eagles and many more all coming to play huge shows within a month or two. 

People cannot be in the same place at the same time. I saw Bruce is playing a huge show on the date of the Manchester gig too, Green Day when PJ are in London. People are fairly strapped for cash recently, so the earlier announcements of tours may well have taken a good deal of disposable income off the table. 

Cost likely hasnt helped but i really do not think it is the issue it is being suggested it is. 

It's probably an issue in so far as people are looking to get the most shows for the money that they possibly can, especially with 4 of those acts you've mentioned almost certainly retiring at the end of their tours (Eagles/Bruce (with E St anyway)/ACDC/Purple). Hopefully PJ won't join them, although that hat Ed's taken to wearing is more retired dude than rock'n'roller! 

Residencies, correctly priced, in the right cities are a far more attractive proposition for fans and the band I expect. However, they have to be priced relatively well and somewhere that there is sufficient affordable hotel capacity. With stuff like the Euros going on, and hotels being much more expensive generally post covid, it's not just the bands tickets that are a factor. 

pdalowsky

ilockyer said:

pdalowsky said:

drfox said:

pdalowsky said:

just_one said:

axeljohan said:

JimFletcherPearlJam said:

Hey, I realize that our collective sample size of German friends probably only numbered fewer than 100 people, but that Hasselhoff thing was a phenomenon that seemingly existed as far as we could tell. There are definitely plenty of differences between various countries, which makes traveling even more interesting than it might be otherwise. Long live Pearl Jam! 

Well, if your German frieds still listened to the Hoff while you were buying Vitalogy, you definitely knew the "wrong" Germans. Hasselhoff had his biggest hit in 1989, when his singing single-handedly brought down the Berlin wall. But by 1994 he wasn't a star anymore, not even in Germany.

Nevertheless, selling out Waldbühne (22k) twice was always a strech for Pearl Jam. They sold out single night at Waldbühne / Wuhlheide everytime in the past. But failed to sell out two night at the O2-arena (17k) back in 2012.

Their new approach of less travelling for the band and let the fans come to us combined with the ticket prices didn't help selling out this time.

i think their approach is the right one (multiple shows on the same city), most big bands nowadays are starting to following that pattern with great sucess  (coldplay , metallica , etc), that being said i think what they got wrong at least in Europe was the ticket prices.

to start have the same price for all places in a venue is just bad and careless planning. Also the price of the tickets were very high. 175€ for Berlin , 164£ for London and 165€ for Barcelona in ALL the places of the arena/stadium in london´s case is just wrong in every single way and as i said above bad planning.

If the prices were more cheaper and in line with where you sit in the arena/stadium the tickets would sell for sure.

they would sell out Waldbühne if the prices were lets say : GA - 130€/150€ , 1st ring seated -  90€/100€ , 2nd ring - 70€/80€ , 3rd ring - 60€/70€

I still believe timing was a bigger issue than the prices........if it was announced last December/November these shows would have sold much faster. So many bands are touring this summer, I desperately wanted to see Placebo but they announced their halifax show even later and it is the same day as the manchester show......so thats one I have to miss

Exactly. I would say the timing is a much bigger factor than the cost. Kings of Leon announced their U.K. arena tour a week after PJ and are playing the same two weeks. They always sell out (and their prices are half of the PJ tickets) but they have standing and seated tickets available still for what looks like every show…..

I am absolutely certain of it too, I know people will point now at the cost as the obvious answer but its an odd one this summer with Green Day, KOL, PJ, Smashing Pumpkins, Weezer, AC/DC, Deep Purple, Foo Fighters, the eagles and many more all coming to play huge shows within a month or two. 

People cannot be in the same place at the same time. I saw Bruce is playing a huge show on the date of the Manchester gig too, Green Day when PJ are in London. People are fairly strapped for cash recently, so the earlier announcements of tours may well have taken a good deal of disposable income off the table. 

Cost likely hasnt helped but i really do not think it is the issue it is being suggested it is. 

It's probably an issue in so far as people are looking to get the most shows for the money that they possibly can, especially with 4 of those acts you've mentioned almost certainly retiring at the end of their tours (Eagles/Bruce (with E St anyway)/ACDC/Purple). Hopefully PJ won't join them, although that hat Ed's taken to wearing is more retired dude than rock'n'roller! 

Residencies, correctly priced, in the right cities are a far more attractive proposition for fans and the band I expect. However, they have to be priced relatively well and somewhere that there is sufficient affordable hotel capacity. With stuff like the Euros going on, and hotels being much more expensive generally post covid, it's not just the bands tickets that are a factor. 

For sure, the massive increases in costs of hotels, and travel this time around have not helped. I was dead set on Dublin, two things ultimately killed the idea.....too many people telling me of the nightmare that is that venue, and the cost of accommodation for one night. It made no sense to make the trip. The ticket cost was a very small part in the bigger picture overall.

If it was at the arena, I would have been 100% in regardless. But the fact the park has sold out means it was a smart move to play there. 

Spiritual_Chaos

pjl44 said:

When your asshole is in such a perpetual pucker over ticket prices that you can't process a joke about the Hoff

The Hof

just_one

pdalowsky said:

ilockyer said:

pdalowsky said:

drfox said:

pdalowsky said:

just_one said:

axeljohan said:

JimFletcherPearlJam said:

Hey, I realize that our collective sample size of German friends probably only numbered fewer than 100 people, but that Hasselhoff thing was a phenomenon that seemingly existed as far as we could tell. There are definitely plenty of differences between various countries, which makes traveling even more interesting than it might be otherwise. Long live Pearl Jam! 

Well, if your German frieds still listened to the Hoff while you were buying Vitalogy, you definitely knew the "wrong" Germans. Hasselhoff had his biggest hit in 1989, when his singing single-handedly brought down the Berlin wall. But by 1994 he wasn't a star anymore, not even in Germany.

Nevertheless, selling out Waldbühne (22k) twice was always a strech for Pearl Jam. They sold out single night at Waldbühne / Wuhlheide everytime in the past. But failed to sell out two night at the O2-arena (17k) back in 2012.

Their new approach of less travelling for the band and let the fans come to us combined with the ticket prices didn't help selling out this time.

i think their approach is the right one (multiple shows on the same city), most big bands nowadays are starting to following that pattern with great sucess  (coldplay , metallica , etc), that being said i think what they got wrong at least in Europe was the ticket prices.

to start have the same price for all places in a venue is just bad and careless planning. Also the price of the tickets were very high. 175€ for Berlin , 164£ for London and 165€ for Barcelona in ALL the places of the arena/stadium in london´s case is just wrong in every single way and as i said above bad planning.

If the prices were more cheaper and in line with where you sit in the arena/stadium the tickets would sell for sure.

they would sell out Waldbühne if the prices were lets say : GA - 130€/150€ , 1st ring seated -  90€/100€ , 2nd ring - 70€/80€ , 3rd ring - 60€/70€

I still believe timing was a bigger issue than the prices........if it was announced last December/November these shows would have sold much faster. So many bands are touring this summer, I desperately wanted to see Placebo but they announced their halifax show even later and it is the same day as the manchester show......so thats one I have to miss

Exactly. I would say the timing is a much bigger factor than the cost. Kings of Leon announced their U.K. arena tour a week after PJ and are playing the same two weeks. They always sell out (and their prices are half of the PJ tickets) but they have standing and seated tickets available still for what looks like every show…..

I am absolutely certain of it too, I know people will point now at the cost as the obvious answer but its an odd one this summer with Green Day, KOL, PJ, Smashing Pumpkins, Weezer, AC/DC, Deep Purple, Foo Fighters, the eagles and many more all coming to play huge shows within a month or two. 

People cannot be in the same place at the same time. I saw Bruce is playing a huge show on the date of the Manchester gig too, Green Day when PJ are in London. People are fairly strapped for cash recently, so the earlier announcements of tours may well have taken a good deal of disposable income off the table. 

Cost likely hasnt helped but i really do not think it is the issue it is being suggested it is. 

It's probably an issue in so far as people are looking to get the most shows for the money that they possibly can, especially with 4 of those acts you've mentioned almost certainly retiring at the end of their tours (Eagles/Bruce (with E St anyway)/ACDC/Purple). Hopefully PJ won't join them, although that hat Ed's taken to wearing is more retired dude than rock'n'roller! 

Residencies, correctly priced, in the right cities are a far more attractive proposition for fans and the band I expect. However, they have to be priced relatively well and somewhere that there is sufficient affordable hotel capacity. With stuff like the Euros going on, and hotels being much more expensive generally post covid, it's not just the bands tickets that are a factor. 

For sure, the massive increases in costs of hotels, and travel this time around have not helped. I was dead set on Dublin, two things ultimately killed the idea.....too many people telling me of the nightmare that is that venue, and the cost of accommodation for one night. It made no sense to make the trip. The ticket cost was a very small part in the bigger picture overall.

If it was at the arena, I would have been 100% in regardless. But the fact the park has sold out means it was a smart move to play there. 

i was also thinking of doing dublin but after seeing the hotel prices i gave up , super expensive

pjl44

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pjl44 said:

When your asshole is in such a perpetual pucker over ticket prices that you can't process a joke about the Hoff

The Hof

Carlsberg in a teku is high society

kaw753

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pjl44 said:

When your asshole is in such a perpetual pucker over ticket prices that you can't process a joke about the Hoff

The Hof

Organic makes it healthy. 

YourDirtisMyfood

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DvPcTX1zg-A&pp=ygUVZG9uJ3QgaGFzc2VsIHRoZSBob2Zm

Zen23

Now the Master of Tickets has completely withdrawn large parts of the Tottenham South Stand from sale. The thousands of blue dots probably just look too depressing. 

kramerica4

How are sales doing for Dublin, Manchester, London and Barcelona?
Berlin tickets are moving very slowly, not mich sold during the last days / weeks. For both nights, there are still thousands of tickets left.

WhyNotSweden

pdalowsky said:

For sure, the massive increases in costs of hotels, and travel this time around have not helped. I was dead set on Dublin, two things ultimately killed the idea.....too many people telling me of the nightmare that is that venue, and the cost of accommodation for one night. It made no sense to make the trip. The ticket cost was a very small part in the bigger picture overall.

If it was at the arena, I would have been 100% in regardless. But the fact the park has sold out means it was a smart move to play there. 

I planned to go to Dublin as well, doing Dublin and Berlin, but changed my mind and doing Berlin & Barcelona. Now I do 3 flights and 4 shows instead of 4 flights and 3 shows.  Flying Gothenburg-Berlin-Barca-Gothenburg.  

lastexitlondon

WhyNotSweden said:

pdalowsky said:

For sure, the massive increases in costs of hotels, and travel this time around have not helped. I was dead set on Dublin, two things ultimately killed the idea.....too many people telling me of the nightmare that is that venue, and the cost of accommodation for one night. It made no sense to make the trip. The ticket cost was a very small part in the bigger picture overall.

If it was at the arena, I would have been 100% in regardless. But the fact the park has sold out means it was a smart move to play there. 

I planned to go to Dublin as well, doing Dublin and Berlin, but changed my mind and doing Berlin & Barcelona. Now I do 3 flights and 4 shows instead of 4 flights and 3 shows.  Flying Gothenburg-Berlin-Barca-Gothenburg.  

Have a great time mate

drfox

kramerica4 said:

How are sales doing for Dublin, Manchester, London and Barcelona?
Berlin tickets are moving very slowly, not mich sold during the last days / weeks. For both nights, there are still thousands of tickets left.

Similar to before. Dublin appears sold out. Manchester only has some of the nosebleed seats at the back and some Ticketmaster platinum seats / standing remaining. London and Barcelona are a different story and have swathes of unsold tickets 

drfox

Thinking the new ticket strategy for the Waldbuhne could be partly blamed for the poor sales (as well as the Euros etc).. Previously everyone was GA and you chose where you stood / sat (until the lower section was full). By having reserved seating, people who buy those remaining tickets know they are in the worse seats, so may be reluctant to buy, whereas before they still have a chance of a good seat if they got there early 

kramerica4

drfox said:

kramerica4 said:

How are sales doing for Dublin, Manchester, London and Barcelona?
Berlin tickets are moving very slowly, not mich sold during the last days / weeks. For both nights, there are still thousands of tickets left.

Similar to before. Dublin appears sold out. Manchester only has some of the nosebleed seats at the back and some Ticketmaster platinum seats / standing remaining. London and Barcelona are a different story and have swathes of unsold tickets 

How many people does the Dublin venue hold?

Muffin The Mule

The Dublin capacity is 40,000.

There are still Golden Circle tickets available, debating whether to bite the bullet and fork out EUR 225.

axeljohan

drfox said:

Thinking the new ticket strategy for the Waldbuhne could be partly blamed for the poor sales (as well as the Euros etc).. Previously everyone was GA and you chose where you stood / sat (until the lower section was full). By having reserved seating, people who buy those remaining tickets know they are in the worse seats, so may be reluctant to buy, whereas before they still have a chance of a good seat if they got there early 

True. But specific seats mean that they can charge even more for Premium-tickets. 

If they want to get close to sold-out nights they have to reduce the tickets for the 3rd tier around the release date of the album. 

STATEOFLOVE59

axeljohan said:

drfox said:

Thinking the new ticket strategy for the Waldbuhne could be partly blamed for the poor sales (as well as the Euros etc).. Previously everyone was GA and you chose where you stood / sat (until the lower section was full). By having reserved seating, people who buy those remaining tickets know they are in the worse seats, so may be reluctant to buy, whereas before they still have a chance of a good seat if they got there early 

True. But specific seats mean that they can charge even more for Premium-tickets. 

If they want to get close to sold-out nights they have to reduce the tickets for the 3rd tier around the release date of the album. 

Platinium seats are almost sold out.

PJNB

STATEOFLOVE59 said:

axeljohan said:

drfox said:

Thinking the new ticket strategy for the Waldbuhne could be partly blamed for the poor sales (as well as the Euros etc).. Previously everyone was GA and you chose where you stood / sat (until the lower section was full). By having reserved seating, people who buy those remaining tickets know they are in the worse seats, so may be reluctant to buy, whereas before they still have a chance of a good seat if they got there early 

True. But specific seats mean that they can charge even more for Premium-tickets. 

If they want to get close to sold-out nights they have to reduce the tickets for the 3rd tier around the release date of the album. 

Platinium seats are almost sold out.

Until the next wave drops.