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The answer is all of the above. Its not just one entity. Its ALL. Can the band take less? Do they sign off on the deal? The answer is yes. Is TM a factor? Absolutely.
But why should they? Nobody knows how much they make, and its really none of our business. I'm positive they could make a lot more. That is for sure. 40 tour dates. Should they cut it down to $40k a piece? $100k each? A million each? Or do they deserve $40 mm each?
At the end of the day it just becomes a model/formula. They need to make X amount of money to pay the band, the promoter, the venue etc. Everything gets backed out from that number. Couldn't ticketmaster and the venue and the promoter take less too? The answer is also yes, but they don't have too. They have the leverage.
So then it comes back to the band. And just like we all take pay cuts at our jobs for the good of the company and other employees and customers, they could absolutely do the same. Oh wait, none of us do that. But we should expect others too? It sure is easy to spend and judge other peoples finances.0 -
Lerxst1992 said:SHZA said:BudT said:SHZA said:BudT said:To some people the band can't do anything wrong. PJ Premium is horseshit but I just bought a pair for almost $1,3000 and they are above 100 level. I know I don't have to pay it, but otherwise I'm way up top for almost as much money or I don't go.
$1,300 for a pair of tickets that are worse than I would get with my 10c #. 25 years in the club for them to gouge me with the equivalent of scalped tickets, tickets that used to be fan club tickets every tour. I'm probably checking out after this tour but I needed to finally hit my 50th show. There aren't enough tickets, but there really aren't enough for the 10c sale when they save those seats pulled out to be legally scalped to their fans. Tell me I'm an asshole for paying that much but they gave me no choice.Hey I love reading your comments over the years and your optimism helped me put a hold on a Baltimore hotel hopin that a f2f will open up there, or a premium for under $300. But I do not believe this f2f strategy works for NE indoor shows. Yet I still have that hotel hold!!
As I’ve been typing alot the last day, we need to change the narrative, it’s not TM that drives up prices, it’s the specific PJ policies that drive prices higher than any other act that I can find besides Taylor. Their policies limit supply and expand demand, which skyrocket broker prices, then they use that data to skyrocket PJPremium prices.
PJ's policies play a role but so does the standard TM playbook. I see a lot of shows with sky high prices. It's even more pronounced with baby boomer era acts. The first few rows for the Eagles, Billy Joel, etc. are usually $2k. A couple of weeks ago I bought front row Eagles tickets on show day on stubhub for $350 apiece. Once they were transferred to my TM account I clicked the sell button out of curiosity and the minimum price it would let me list them was $1,750 apiece. I take it that was the original sale price.0 -
efroten2 said:Eddieredder said:KJ228171 said:efroten2 said:bootleg said:My thought is there was likely some negotiation that had to take place to be able to get as many fanclub tickets as possible. Ticketmaster has been trying to wrestle back fan club allotments for the past 20 years. Almost all of the venues are in business with Ticketmaster so you can just say give us every seat or we’ll play somewhere else. It didn’t work out great when they tried that on the No Code tour. So they have to negotiate. TM prob says we will give you this many fan club tix but we want 10% to be PJ premium and so they sign off on it. By all accounts it seems like a ton of the best tix are still going to fan club members.
Now the standard pricing I think could use a little work. Who knows what goes into determining the price but I think they could alleviate some of the issues by having more pricing tiers. A GA ticket should cost more than one on the back of the floor or lower bowl. An upper deck ticket should cost less. So split that into 4 or more tiers. Make GA 250 a ticket, Front lowers 200, back lowers 150, upper deck 100 etc… however the math ends up working out. Let people pick which levels they are comfortable paying up to and whatever level you end up getting in the lotto that’s what you pay. I think a lot of people didn’t pick P2 as an option in the drawing because either 1 they didn’t want to pay almost the same price for an upper deck ticket as a GA ticket or 2 because they just assumed they would find a better ticket in the regular or fan to fan sale and it could become difficult to offload a P2 ticket if the demand wasn’t high enough because you can’t sell for a loss. F2F is a nice option to have but should also be able to let people sell for less than what they paid if the demand for their show isn’t as high as others.
And I totally agree they should start staggering the prices based on seat location. It shouldn't be almost $200 for upper desk AND up front.
U2, GnR, and Iron Maiden to name a few. Rage Against the Machine doesn't have a fan club but did everything they could to keep the vast majority of the prices down even if it meant they had to let a small percent go dynamic pricing.
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AA295481 said:I drew a line in 2016, when tickets were $85 and would not pay a dime over, I never in a millon years thought that 8 years later, they would be over $200 a ticket0
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100 Pacer said:BudT said:Tickets that are good and reasonably priced aren't going to start appearing as the show gets closer. If you've gone to any shows the last few tours, in a high demand market you know that. It's not going to happen.
It's happened. It happened in 2022, even at MSG day of, and it happened in 2023.
Don't tell me how the premium pricing works.
I don't care how it works. I care that those were potential 10c Tix and usually were in the past. Now the band in collusion with TM scalps those tickets to their fans.
I'm here to complain because there's nowhere else management will see it.
Ideal scenario:
-put GA out there for any 10c member to enter.
-P1 & P2 is all seniority based.
-They don't try to scalp Tix to their fans that they should've offered in the first place.0 -
Eddieredder said:AA295481 said:I drew a line in 2016, when tickets were $85 and would not pay a dime over, I never in a millon years thought that 8 years later, they would be over $200 a ticket___________________________________________
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Eddieredder said:efroten2 said:Eddieredder said:KJ228171 said:efroten2 said:bootleg said:My thought is there was likely some negotiation that had to take place to be able to get as many fanclub tickets as possible. Ticketmaster has been trying to wrestle back fan club allotments for the past 20 years. Almost all of the venues are in business with Ticketmaster so you can just say give us every seat or we’ll play somewhere else. It didn’t work out great when they tried that on the No Code tour. So they have to negotiate. TM prob says we will give you this many fan club tix but we want 10% to be PJ premium and so they sign off on it. By all accounts it seems like a ton of the best tix are still going to fan club members.
Now the standard pricing I think could use a little work. Who knows what goes into determining the price but I think they could alleviate some of the issues by having more pricing tiers. A GA ticket should cost more than one on the back of the floor or lower bowl. An upper deck ticket should cost less. So split that into 4 or more tiers. Make GA 250 a ticket, Front lowers 200, back lowers 150, upper deck 100 etc… however the math ends up working out. Let people pick which levels they are comfortable paying up to and whatever level you end up getting in the lotto that’s what you pay. I think a lot of people didn’t pick P2 as an option in the drawing because either 1 they didn’t want to pay almost the same price for an upper deck ticket as a GA ticket or 2 because they just assumed they would find a better ticket in the regular or fan to fan sale and it could become difficult to offload a P2 ticket if the demand wasn’t high enough because you can’t sell for a loss. F2F is a nice option to have but should also be able to let people sell for less than what they paid if the demand for their show isn’t as high as others.
And I totally agree they should start staggering the prices based on seat location. It shouldn't be almost $200 for upper desk AND up front.
U2, GnR, and Iron Maiden to name a few. Rage Against the Machine doesn't have a fan club but did everything they could to keep the vast majority of the prices down even if it meant they had to let a small percent go dynamic pricing.
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JD87070 said:Eddieredder said:efroten2 said:Eddieredder said:KJ228171 said:efroten2 said:bootleg said:My thought is there was likely some negotiation that had to take place to be able to get as many fanclub tickets as possible. Ticketmaster has been trying to wrestle back fan club allotments for the past 20 years. Almost all of the venues are in business with Ticketmaster so you can just say give us every seat or we’ll play somewhere else. It didn’t work out great when they tried that on the No Code tour. So they have to negotiate. TM prob says we will give you this many fan club tix but we want 10% to be PJ premium and so they sign off on it. By all accounts it seems like a ton of the best tix are still going to fan club members.
Now the standard pricing I think could use a little work. Who knows what goes into determining the price but I think they could alleviate some of the issues by having more pricing tiers. A GA ticket should cost more than one on the back of the floor or lower bowl. An upper deck ticket should cost less. So split that into 4 or more tiers. Make GA 250 a ticket, Front lowers 200, back lowers 150, upper deck 100 etc… however the math ends up working out. Let people pick which levels they are comfortable paying up to and whatever level you end up getting in the lotto that’s what you pay. I think a lot of people didn’t pick P2 as an option in the drawing because either 1 they didn’t want to pay almost the same price for an upper deck ticket as a GA ticket or 2 because they just assumed they would find a better ticket in the regular or fan to fan sale and it could become difficult to offload a P2 ticket if the demand wasn’t high enough because you can’t sell for a loss. F2F is a nice option to have but should also be able to let people sell for less than what they paid if the demand for their show isn’t as high as others.
And I totally agree they should start staggering the prices based on seat location. It shouldn't be almost $200 for upper desk AND up front.
U2, GnR, and Iron Maiden to name a few. Rage Against the Machine doesn't have a fan club but did everything they could to keep the vast majority of the prices down even if it meant they had to let a small percent go dynamic pricing.
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I think 10c did still get a ton of great seats for most shows but yes there are PJ premiums spread throughout each section. They told us up front these would make up about 10% of the tickets. You should never buy PJ premiums, but if you need that guarantee so that you can arrange travel and hotel you should still never buy them in the first week of going on sale. They are designed to make you think nothing else will be available so you better get them now before prices get even worse. There will be other opportunities, and even places like stub hub have tix cheaper than the pj premium right now.0
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100 Pacer said:BudT said:Tickets that are good and reasonably priced aren't going to start appearing as the show gets closer. If you've gone to any shows the last few tours, in a high demand market you know that. It's not going to happen.
It's happened. It happened in 2022, even at MSG day off, and it happened in 2023.I checked both of those shows many times up to 4pm, and msg never dropped below 480 for blocked view ceiling tickets, and Camden 700. If fans are willing to wait til closer to show time that’s great , but it’s not a reasonable way to buy tickets.
Unless fans want to play the f5 games for hours a day, these east coast indoor tickets do not appear. And the f5 game is a very expensive cost…time is money.0 -
BudT said:100 Pacer said:BudT said:Tickets that are good and reasonably priced aren't going to start appearing as the show gets closer. If you've gone to any shows the last few tours, in a high demand market you know that. It's not going to happen.
It's happened. It happened in 2022, even at MSG day of, and it happened in 2023.
Don't tell me how the premium pricing works.
I don't care how it works. I care that those were potential 10c Tix and usually were in the past. Now the band in collusion with TM scalps those tickets to their fans.
I'm here to complain because there's nowhere else management will see it.
Ideal scenario:
-put GA out there for any 10c member to enter.
-P1 & P2 is all seniority based.
-They don't try to scalp Tix to their fans that they should've offered in the first place.
The rest of your argument is emotion driven.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
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100 Pacer said:BudT said:Tickets that are good and reasonably priced aren't going to start appearing as the show gets closer. If you've gone to any shows the last few tours, in a high demand market you know that. It's not going to happen.
It's happened. It happened in 2022, even at MSG day of, and it happened in 2023.
It happens every show although MSG can be unpredictable, sometime they are available, sometimes not. But for other shows, face value tickets can be had with a little effort.0 -
SHZA said:Lerxst1992 said:SHZA said:BudT said:SHZA said:BudT said:To some people the band can't do anything wrong. PJ Premium is horseshit but I just bought a pair for almost $1,3000 and they are above 100 level. I know I don't have to pay it, but otherwise I'm way up top for almost as much money or I don't go.
$1,300 for a pair of tickets that are worse than I would get with my 10c #. 25 years in the club for them to gouge me with the equivalent of scalped tickets, tickets that used to be fan club tickets every tour. I'm probably checking out after this tour but I needed to finally hit my 50th show. There aren't enough tickets, but there really aren't enough for the 10c sale when they save those seats pulled out to be legally scalped to their fans. Tell me I'm an asshole for paying that much but they gave me no choice.Hey I love reading your comments over the years and your optimism helped me put a hold on a Baltimore hotel hopin that a f2f will open up there, or a premium for under $300. But I do not believe this f2f strategy works for NE indoor shows. Yet I still have that hotel hold!!
As I’ve been typing alot the last day, we need to change the narrative, it’s not TM that drives up prices, it’s the specific PJ policies that drive prices higher than any other act that I can find besides Taylor. Their policies limit supply and expand demand, which skyrocket broker prices, then they use that data to skyrocket PJPremium prices.
PJ's policies play a role but so does the standard TM playbook. I see a lot of shows with sky high prices. It's even more pronounced with baby boomer era acts. The first few rows for the Eagles, Billy Joel, etc. are usually $2k. A couple of weeks ago I bought front row Eagles tickets on show day on stubhub for $350 apiece. Once they were transferred to my TM account I clicked the sell button out of curiosity and the minimum price it would let me list them was $1,750 apiece. I take it that was the original sale price.Like I said you are the reason I got optimistic and put a hold on a Baltimore hotel. I have hope. But wasn’t that 2020 show famous for round the clock f5ing?
holding back standard priced tickets is another in an endless line of policies that hurt New Yorkers, because they never do that here. When they do it for out of town shows,we can’t get to the venue in time, so it’s just another way we NYers get hurt by the supply and demand games PJ plays with its ticketing policies that drive up resale and PJPrem prices.
using seat geek,decent NE (non stadium) seats for..,
Billy Joel, $491
Eagles,Chi $526
Neil Young $296
Zach Bryan $442
Drake $503
RHCP, VA $472
Rolling Stones, MetLife lowers, $443
PJ MSG, any ticket 200s row 7 and lower, …. One ticket at $836, every other over $1000.
PJ, other NE indoor venues, decent seats, most over $500
Pearl Jam has ticket policies that limit supply and increase demand. It is obvious their ticket policies drive up prices on the broker sites, which drove up PJPrem..0 -
PJ Premium is 10% and and those high prices subsidizes the rest of the tickets. Also we should never buy Premium tickets and they will drop to standard price. So which is it then?
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"Pearl Jam has ticket policies that limit supply and increase demand. It is obvious their ticket policies drive up prices on the broker sites, which drove up PJPrem."
Thats totally fair. But what would you propose as a solution? Its clearly pretty complicated.
I guarantee having tix be $250 each (or more) with no premium wouldn't be welcomed with open arms. Nor would $500 pit tix. Tiered pricing = more profit on cheaper seats. Its complicated.Post edited by Eddieredder on0 -
patkelly12 said:PJ Premium is 10% and and those high prices subsidizes the rest of the tickets. Also we should never buy Premium tickets and they will drop to standard price. So which is it then?0
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SHZA said:patkelly12 said:PJ Premium is 10% and and those high prices subsidizes the rest of the tickets. Also we should never buy Premium tickets and they will drop to standard price. So which is it then?
If they aren't ALL bought at the prices needed to subsidize the rest of the tickets (which is what we were told they represented), then how can the math work? It would seem to me that would cause some financial straits.
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patkelly12 said:SHZA said:patkelly12 said:PJ Premium is 10% and and those high prices subsidizes the rest of the tickets. Also we should never buy Premium tickets and they will drop to standard price. So which is it then?
If they aren't ALL bought at the prices needed to subsidize the rest of the tickets (which is what we were told they represented), then how can the math work? It would seem to me that would cause some financial straits.Post edited by Eddieredder on0 -
patkelly12 said:PJ Premium is 10% and and those high prices subsidizes the rest of the tickets. Also we should never buy Premium tickets and they will drop to standard price. So which is it then?0
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Eddieredder said:patkelly12 said:SHZA said:patkelly12 said:PJ Premium is 10% and and those high prices subsidizes the rest of the tickets. Also we should never buy Premium tickets and they will drop to standard price. So which is it then?
If they aren't ALL bought at the prices needed to subsidize the rest of the tickets (which is what we were told they represented), then how can the math work? It would seem to me that would cause some financial straits.I guess that's' my point. All the standard tickets are gone. Its not like they can come back and say "Hey, we never got that premium subsidy. We need you to cough up some more on those tickets we sold you earlier." - I guess the only solution if that subsidy isn't recouped is to charge even more on the next tour (for standard tickets).Assuming the above is all on the up and up.0
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