For those of you who read German: in today’s Sueddeutsche Zeitung a thoroughly written article about ticket pricing (that also quotes this forum) comes to the conclusion that we have to say goodbye to the distant ideal that popular music remains a good from which no one should be excluded.
This ideal is alive and well. There are scores of bands playing these same cities at a fraction of the cost. You don't have some sort of right to see the most popular bands in the world at arenas and stadiums and name your price.
The ideal may be alive and well - but the Band that wrote Green Disease does little to convince us, that they still want to be part of this idealistic dream and have not joined the Ayn-Rand-Fanclub instead.
It is not greed but you have, in a roundabout way, acknowledged that (especially with technology being what it is) trying to avoid market forces is pissing in the wind
Baltimore show just had 2 new rows of PJ premium pop up. Yesterday that show was down to 11 total tickets available. Now there’s a full 2 extra rows of premiums. Prime example of TM holding back tickets and trying to drive artificial scarcity.
Greed is a consumer low balling an artist and getting indignant about it. Jury's out whether they overplayed their hand in Europe but certainly not in the US.
Flights to California: $600 x 2 = $1,200 3 nights hotel: $250 x 3 = $750 Other transit: $150 Total Price of Trip before Pearl Jam = $2,100
Pearl Jam increases prices $50 on their tickets. F you Pearl Jam, I can't afford that!
This is the funny thing though, many of us have spent thousands on travel to see a show. The $50 increase in tickets isn't really that big of a deal. I'd be buying tickets if they played somewhere where I didn't have to make a 2-3 day trip out of it. The limited shows that creates the need to travel is what is exxpensive, not so much the tickets. Assuming you got them through 10c anyway.
For those of you who read German: in today’s Sueddeutsche Zeitung a thoroughly written article about ticket pricing (that also quotes this forum) comes to the conclusion that we have to say goodbye to the distant ideal that popular music remains a good from which no one should be excluded.
This ideal is alive and well. There are scores of bands playing these same cities at a fraction of the cost. You don't have some sort of right to see the most popular bands in the world at arenas and stadiums and name your price.
The ideal may be alive and well - but the Band that wrote Green Disease does little to convince us, that they still want to be part of this idealistic dream and have not joined the Ayn-Rand-Fanclub instead.
It is not greed but you have, in a roundabout way, acknowledged that (especially with technology being what it is) trying to avoid market forces is pissing in the wind
You are right: the band that released „Green Disease“ also wrote „Force of Market“ and just announced an album called „Dark Money“.
For those of you who read German: in today’s Sueddeutsche Zeitung a thoroughly written article about ticket pricing (that also quotes this forum) comes to the conclusion that we have to say goodbye to the distant ideal that popular music remains a good from which no one should be excluded.
This ideal is alive and well. There are scores of bands playing these same cities at a fraction of the cost. You don't have some sort of right to see the most popular bands in the world at arenas and stadiums and name your price.
The ideal may be alive and well - but the Band that wrote Green Disease does little to convince us, that they still want to be part of this idealistic dream and have not joined the Ayn-Rand-Fanclub instead.
It is not greed but you have, in a roundabout way, acknowledged that (especially with technology being what it is) trying to avoid market forces is pissing in the wind
You are right: the band that released „Green Disease“ also wrote „Force of Market“ and just announced an album called „Dark Money“.
The lesson here is around the ways you view your relationship to an artist
And maybe for the artist and the risks of moralizing. Lots of wiggle room for the Tools and KISSes of the world who make very clear what the relationship is and fans are just fine with that.
Flights to California: $600 x 2 = $1,200 3 nights hotel: $250 x 3 = $750 Other transit: $150 Total Price of Trip before Pearl Jam = $2,100
Pearl Jam increases prices $50 on their tickets. F you Pearl Jam, I can't afford that!
Except a lot of people don't travel for shows. I'd never pay all that to see PJ, but am happy when they come to me if I get good seats at a price I'm willing to pay.
Flights to California: $600 x 2 = $1,200 3 nights hotel: $250 x 3 = $750 Other transit: $150 Total Price of Trip before Pearl Jam = $2,100
Pearl Jam increases prices $50 on their tickets. F you Pearl Jam, I can't afford that!
Except a lot of people don't travel for shows. I'd never pay all that to see PJ, but am happy when they come to me if I get good seats at a price I'm willing to pay.
Must be nice. I haven’t been able to see them without traveling in over a decade. And I’m not in the minority on this. They barely play anywhere anymore. Which is the biggest factor driving all of this round of complaints as it directly impacts the prices, the lottery, the onsale, all of it. There are not enough shows to meet demand and unless there is these problems will not get better. oh and spoiler, they aren’t going to play more to fix it.
And maybe for the artist and the risks of moralizing. Lots of wiggle room for the Tools and KISSes of the world who make very clear what the relationship is and fans are just fine with that.
This band and their oeuvre has never had anything to do with morals, it's always been about the high song of profit maximization: Hence their choice of covers: „(Keep On) Cashin‘ In The Free World“, „Corporate Son“, „(What‘s So Funny About) Greed, Peace And Understanding“.
It's really got to suck for the guys in the band to be held to standards they set for themselves 25-30 years ago. I sure as heck don't want people in my life to hold me to the same standards or beliefs I had when I was 20-25 years old. Maybe stop holding them to those standards of yesteryear or put them on a pedestal that they are above what other bands do or charge. No system they implement is going to be perfect, but the more 10C seats and the availability of every show is still pretty damn good. The premium prices is a really easy decision for most people. Either you are ok with paying it or not. It shouldn't be a two week bitch fest about the cost in my opinion because the old days aren't coming back.
It's really got to suck for the guys in the band to be held to standards they set for themselves 25-30 years ago. I sure as heck don't want people in my life to hold me to the same standards or beliefs I had when I was 20-25 years old. Maybe stop holding them to those standards of yesteryear or put them on a pedestal that they are above what other bands do or charge. No system they implement is going to be perfect, but the more 10C seats and the availability of every show is still pretty damn good. The premium prices is a really easy decision for most people. Either you are ok with paying it or not. It shouldn't be a two week bitch fest about the cost in my opinion because the old days aren't coming back.
especially when you fought the good fight and lost.
Noblesville 5.7.2010. Lexington 4.26.2016. Nashville 9.16.2022. St Louis 9.18.2022. Chicago 1 9.5.2023. Chicago 2 9.7.2023. *Noblesville 9.10.2023* (Gutted) Seattle 5.30.2024 Noblesville 8.26.2024 Chicago 8.29.2024 Chicago 8.31.2024
The Cobain stuff doesn't help, either. He is deified and frozen in time. Pearl Jam meanwhile has aged, matured, learned, etc. The world is a much more complicated than many of us thought when we were young.
If you check out a typical concert (or sporting event) seating chart 2 hours after the sale starts, practically the entire stadium is devoid of unsold seats, and is a sea of tickets that have been put back up for resale. Those resale prices are very often 2 or 3 times the original cost. That is a lot of what is driving this. Consumers are using these events as money making investments, and if this was not the norm, Ticketmaster would not have the leverage to entice bands to allow premium tickets. The saving grace with Pearl Jam is their insistence on a face value resale policy. To the best of my knowledge, most bands don't insist on this.
It's really got to suck for the guys in the band to be held to standards they set for themselves 25-30 years ago. I sure as heck don't want people in my life to hold me to the same standards or beliefs I had when I was 20-25 years old. Maybe stop holding them to those standards of yesteryear or put them on a pedestal that they are above what other bands do or charge. No system they implement is going to be perfect, but the more 10C seats and the availability of every show is still pretty damn good. The premium prices is a really easy decision for most people. Either you are ok with paying it or not. It shouldn't be a two week bitch fest about the cost in my opinion because the old days aren't coming back.
Right?
They fought for their fanbase that was 16 to 26 years old primarily at the time....which btw is when you are at your poorest.
If you can't afford shows now... No one to blame but the choices you have made of your own free will. 30 years later and you haven't grown and made more money? Take a long hard look in the mirror before blaming the band. Your decisions aren't the bands fault. Plenty of things to complain about in this world and Pearl Jam ticket prices aren't one of them.
Flights to California: $600 x 2 = $1,200 3 nights hotel: $250 x 3 = $750 Other transit: $150 Total Price of Trip before Pearl Jam = $2,100
Pearl Jam increases prices $50 on their tickets. F you Pearl Jam, I can't afford that!
Except a lot of people don't travel for shows. I'd never pay all that to see PJ, but am happy when they come to me if I get good seats at a price I'm willing to pay.
Must be nice. I haven’t been able to see them without traveling in over a decade. And I’m not in the minority on this. They barely play anywhere anymore. Which is the biggest factor driving all of this round of complaints as it directly impacts the prices, the lottery, the onsale, all of it. There are not enough shows to meet demand and unless there is these problems will not get better. oh and spoiler, they aren’t going to play more to fix it.
You're right. I'm spoiled in the Bay Area. Most bands come through here regularly. If I lived in Atlanta I'd have probably traveled someone in the past decade to see a PJ show or 2.
I actually care more that the shows have gone from 35 songs down to 22 songs than I am about the tickets being $50 more. By the time I pay for travel and the time to get there, it isn't really worth it for a single show.
It is like how it now costs $20 to go to Chipotle and the employee shakes the scoop several times to make sure I don't get that extra cube of chicken.
I actually care more that the shows have gone from 35 songs down to 22 songs than I am about the tickets being $50 more. By the time I pay for travel and the time to get there, it isn't really worth it for a single show.
It is like how it now costs $20 to go to Chipotle and the employee shakes the scoop several times to make sure I don't get that extra cube of chicken.
Same. People will say quality over quantity but those 30-35 song shows had both.
It's really got to suck for the guys in the band to be held to standards they set for themselves 25-30 years ago. I sure as heck don't want people in my life to hold me to the same standards or beliefs I had when I was 20-25 years old. Maybe stop holding them to those standards of yesteryear or put them on a pedestal that they are above what other bands do or charge. No system they implement is going to be perfect, but the more 10C seats and the availability of every show is still pretty damn good. The premium prices is a really easy decision for most people. Either you are ok with paying it or not. It shouldn't be a two week bitch fest about the cost in my opinion because the old days aren't coming back.
Yep. That was my point. It is what it is and you need to take it or leave it.
It's really got to suck for the guys in the band to be held to standards they set for themselves 25-30 years ago. I sure as heck don't want people in my life to hold me to the same standards or beliefs I had when I was 20-25 years old. Maybe stop holding them to those standards of yesteryear or put them on a pedestal that they are above what other bands do or charge. No system they implement is going to be perfect, but the more 10C seats and the availability of every show is still pretty damn good. The premium prices is a really easy decision for most people. Either you are ok with paying it or not. It shouldn't be a two week bitch fest about the cost in my opinion because the old days aren't coming back.
Right?
They fought for their fanbase that was 16 to 26 years old primarily at the time....which btw is when you are at your poorest.
If you can't afford shows now... No one to blame but the choices you have made of your own free will. 30 years later and you haven't grown and made more money? Take a long hard look in the mirror before blaming the band. Your decisions aren't the bands fault. Plenty of things to complain about in this world and Pearl Jam ticket prices aren't one of them.
Its not always poor choices. I spent about 25k last year in medical bills and AC going out. That put a dent in our vacation plans. Our son was diagnosed with Celiac last year, and just the tests they did ran about 4k to diagnose it. Not to mention the specialists and follow up treatments after he was diagnosed. I was hospitalized for 4 days a few months ago with multiple pulmonary embolisms. That staycation cost me about 5k. AC going out was another 8k. Not too many people can blow through 25k in under a year and feel like they can still travel to see their favorite band.
They've far exceed "The Simpsons Threshold" of having more time where your records have sucked than the time when their records were quality. Celebrating their 25th year as a legacy band and nostalgia act, it's only right to embrace Dynamic Pricing.
They've far exceed "The Simpsons Threshold" of having more time where your records have sucked than the time when their records were quality. Celebrating their 25th year as a legacy band and nostalgia act, it's only right to embrace Dynamic Pricing.
Kurt Cobain was right about them.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
The Cobain stuff doesn't help, either. He is deified and frozen in time. Pearl Jam meanwhile has aged, matured, learned, etc. The world is a much more complicated than many of us thought when we were young.
They've far exceed "The Simpsons Threshold" of having more time where your records have sucked than the time when their records were quality. Celebrating their 25th year as a legacy band and nostalgia act, it's only right to embrace Dynamic Pricing.
They've far exceed "The Simpsons Threshold" of having more time where your records have sucked than the time when their records were quality. Celebrating their 25th year as a legacy band and nostalgia act, it's only right to embrace Dynamic Pricing.
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oh and spoiler, they aren’t going to play more to fix it.
Chicago 1 9.5.2023. Chicago 2 9.7.2023.
*Noblesville 9.10.2023* (Gutted)
Seattle 5.30.2024 Noblesville 8.26.2024 Chicago 8.29.2024 Chicago 8.31.2024
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
They fought for their fanbase that was 16 to 26 years old primarily at the time....which btw is when you are at your poorest.
If you can't afford shows now... No one to blame but the choices you have made of your own free will. 30 years later and you haven't grown and made more money? Take a long hard look in the mirror before blaming the band. Your decisions aren't the bands fault. Plenty of things to complain about in this world and Pearl Jam ticket prices aren't one of them.
It is like how it now costs $20 to go to Chipotle and the employee shakes the scoop several times to make sure I don't get that extra cube of chicken.
I spent about 25k last year in medical bills and AC going out. That put a dent in our vacation plans. Our son was diagnosed with Celiac last year, and just the tests they did ran about 4k to diagnose it. Not to mention the specialists and follow up treatments after he was diagnosed. I was hospitalized for 4 days a few months ago with multiple pulmonary embolisms. That staycation cost me about 5k. AC going out was another 8k.
Not too many people can blow through 25k in under a year and feel like they can still travel to see their favorite band.
They've far exceed "The Simpsons Threshold" of having more time where your records have sucked than the time when their records were quality. Celebrating their 25th year as a legacy band and nostalgia act, it's only right to embrace Dynamic Pricing.
Kurt Cobain was right about them.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."