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EH14457 said:BudT said:I remember when they stood for something.
The guys still stand for plenty. They just also want to capture more of the revenue that their ticket sales are capable of generating. Those 2 things are not mutually exclusive.0 -
$140 for ticket and $35 for fees equal $175. Not crazy for a 2024 tour of a big name act that hardly tours anymore.0
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Get_Right said:ilockyer said:Get_Right said:Tom G said:At best, the guys need to show a little more diligence when allowing Ticketmaster to be the agents for the tour.
At worst, they have sold out and ripped off their own fans in the worst and most ironic way.
Hope it's the former. Even if it's the latter, it's not too late to repent! Refer to Robert Smith/The Cure for how to handle Ticketmaster!
I wish someone would find one band other than the Cure that limited prices.
A slight difference but still a result against TM/LN... and another band with arguably a much lower profile and less clout that PJ!
Crowded House did a tour of New Zealand in 2020 where it was implemented without the bands knowledge, theband intervened with excellent results for their fans - a refund of the difference between the face value and what was actually paid for all.
"Live Nation said it would honour Crowded House’s wishes on the matter, saying: “It is always up to the artist as to how their tickets are priced and sold, especially with In Demand tickets as those are designed to ensure all value is coming back to the artist instead of lining the pockets of scalpers.”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/123424379/crowded-house-fans-who-bought-tickets-at-differing-in-demand-prices-will-be-refunded#:~:text=Crowded House informed fans on Facebook.&text=The In Demand scheme runs,shifting according to market demand.
Neil Finn is a special person and artist. Kudos. Hope they do the same when they come to the US as it makes sense in their homeland.Post edited by Luckytwn1 on0 -
Eddieredder said:"Pearl Jam has ticket policies that limit supply and increase demand. It is obvious their ticket policies drive up prices on the broker sites, which drove up PJPrem."
Thats totally fair. But what would you propose as a solution? Its clearly pretty complicated.
I guarantee having tix be $250 each (or more) with no premium wouldn't be welcomed with open arms. Nor would $500 pit tix. Tiered pricing = more profit on cheaper seats. Its complicated.I think you quoted me there lol. I put out a list earlier of all top acts per seat geek, and the PJ prices exceeded everyone else. The only artist I could find recently with higher broker prices is Taylor. She’s a little bit more popular , no?
All the following impacts broker prices which then is justification for increases to PJ premium. This is market manipulation, not market valueWhen PJ decides that half the venue (floor and lower levels) will sell for face, but way below fair value, that drives up prices by reducing supply and increases the need for PJ PREM.
When PJ decides that seniors are guaranteed (as a block unit, members will vary) 80% discount off fair value on prime seat locations for an unlimited number of shows, that drives up demand, since the band (and buyers of upper level seats) are subsidizing the purchase. Seniors will put in for many more shows with these “significantly discounted tickets” which then drives down supply, which drives up prices
PJ decided for NY and Philly to not offer rear stage seating (Seattle did have tickets available) at the verified onsale time, significantly hurting fans with verified codes.
for some reason, many fans apparently scored tickets for three or four NE indoor shows. Based on PJ Premium prices, the odds per show seems to be about ten percent, so hitting all four is about one in ten thousand. Some have offered that there was a single draw based in the new rules, so a good lottery number gets fans an unlimited deluge of tickets, taking supply away from everyone else.
there’s more problems with their unique system, I’ll stop there…
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ok, to your question, what to do…
the closest seats are the ones that should have premium prices. Face value of many more tickets should be somewhat commensurate with actual value. There’s a reason every other band does it differently
so how so we take care of seniors? Perhaps limit the “80% off” premium tickets to one set per tour.Have the lottery results limited to winning one show until all entries have at least one winning show if possible. Once that happens, then allow for multiple winners. Some in high demand markets will not win but their chances will be greatly increased
have tier pricing, sell tickets like all the other acts do 300…250…200…150…100; each category is a bucket in the lottery. This forces fans to place a dollar value on the experience, which is a million times fairer than the current disaster
Try to match where you want to play and figure out who wants to see you more than anyone else. That’s where the majority of shows should be.stop expecting fans to fly to places you like, and in some cases taunt them with hundreds of unsold tickets.
release all the premium tickets at once. What they do now by releasing a few at a time is creating desperation and manipulation in the market place. They told us ten percent will be PJPrem, so be fair and release them all at once. Let a true market decide the price. If they sit unsold for days,DROP THE PRICES. They Told us these would be sold at market prices so if they don’t sell for a few days, drop the prices,Perhaps have a second chance silent auction for those who completely lost the lottery. Put out a list of the same locations that are PJ Premium, and instead of manipulating fans, let them bid on specific ticket locations0 -
Lerxst1992 said:Eddieredder said:"Pearl Jam has ticket policies that limit supply and increase demand. It is obvious their ticket policies drive up prices on the broker sites, which drove up PJPrem."
Thats totally fair. But what would you propose as a solution? Its clearly pretty complicated.
I guarantee having tix be $250 each (or more) with no premium wouldn't be welcomed with open arms. Nor would $500 pit tix. Tiered pricing = more profit on cheaper seats. Its complicated.I think you quoted me there lol. I put out a list earlier of all top acts per seat geek, and the PJ prices exceeded everyone else. The only artist I could find recently with higher broker prices is Taylor. She’s a little bit more popular , no?
All the following impacts broker prices which then is justification for increases to PJ premium. This is market manipulation, not market valueWhen PJ decides that half the venue (floor and lower levels) will sell for face, but way below fair value, that drives up prices by reducing supply and increases the need for PJ PREM.
When PJ decides that seniors are guaranteed (as a block unit, members will vary) 80% discount off fair value on prime seat locations for an unlimited number of shows, that drives up demand, since the band (and buyers of upper level seats) are subsidizing the purchase. Seniors will put in for many more shows with these “significantly discounted tickets” which then drives down supply, which drives up prices
PJ decided for NY and Philly to not offer rear stage seating (Seattle did have tickets available) at the verified onsale time, significantly hurting fans with verified codes.
for some reason, many fans apparently scored tickets for three or four NE indoor shows. Based on PJ Premium prices, the odds per show seems to be about ten percent, so hitting all four is about one in ten thousand. Some have offered that there was a single draw based in the new rules, so a good lottery number gets fans an unlimited deluge of tickets, taking supply away from everyone else.
there’s more problems with their unique system, I’ll stop there…
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ok, to your question, what to do…
the closest seats are the ones that should have premium prices. Face value of many more tickets should be somewhat commensurate with actual value. There’s a reason every other band does it differently
so how so we take care of seniors? Perhaps limit the “80% off” premium tickets to one set per tour.Have the lottery results limited to winning one show until all entries have at least one winning show if possible. Once that happens, then allow for multiple winners. Some in high demand markets will not win but their chances will be greatly increased
have tier pricing, sell tickets like all the other acts do 300…250…200…150…100; each category is a bucket in the lottery. This forces fans to place a dollar value on the experience, which is a million times fairer than the current disaster
Try to match where you want to play and figure out who wants to see you more than anyone else. That’s where the majority of shows should be.stop expecting fans to fly to places you like, and in some cases taunt them with hundreds of unsold tickets.
release all the premium tickets at once. What they do now by releasing a few at a time is creating desperation and manipulation in the market place. They told us ten percent will be PJPrem, so be fair and release them all at once. Let a true market decide the price. If they sit unsold for days,DROP THE PRICES. They Told us these would be sold at market prices so if they don’t sell for a few days, drop the prices,Perhaps have a second chance silent auction for those who completely lost the lottery. Put out a list of the same locations that are PJ Premium, and instead of manipulating fans, let them bid on specific ticket locations
And as far as where they play, as much as i would love for them to vary their touring more, they’ve earned the right over the decades to play where they want. As much as it sucks for those of us in markets they don’t visit, that’s the reality.0 -
Definitely some good points. Here is a dude that has put more thought than "the band should take less $" into it.
All fair ideas, but I don't think secondary prices early after sale should be a barometer. Tiered pricing has always made sense to me, but I'm not sure that changes anything in terms of resale. You could argue it makes it worse.
Premier tix actually being "premier" and the best seats also makes sense from a general sales aspect. But it wouldn't make sense to the fans. It would only drive more aggravation. If 10% of GA gets taken away (the best seats), that makes it even harder for members to get drawn that it currently is. That same principle would apply to the actual best seats in the best sections. Thats a no win situation.0 -
Try to match where you want to play and figure out who wants to see you more than anyone else. That’s where the majority of shows should be.stop expecting fans to fly to places you like, and in some cases taunt them with hundreds of unsold tickets.
And I actually think it's really cool they play smaller and different places. It's a great experience to go places you maybe wouldn't normally go to see this band. Plus in those smaller and/or non-NE places getting 10C tickets can be easier than the Philly and NYC shows.0 -
pjhawks said:Try to match where you want to play and figure out who wants to see you more than anyone else. That’s where the majority of shows should be.stop expecting fans to fly to places you like, and in some cases taunt them with hundreds of unsold tickets.
And I actually think it's really cool they play smaller and different places. It's a great experience to go places you maybe wouldn't normally go to see this band. Plus in those smaller and/or non-NE places getting 10C tickets can be easier than the Philly and NYC shows.
No ball parks in NYC please. They are terrible. And really PJ should just keep playing Camden. Those shows have been great all these years.0 -
coco32175 said:mcgruff10 said:They definitely out punted their coverage this tour as evident by the amount of tickets left for the european shows. Literally thousands of unsold tickets.0
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I think they will still struggle to sell the very back of Spurs at £90 a ticket. I’ve not bought tickets yet and I have been to at least one show, usually 2, on every Euro tour since 2000. I hope I’m wrong on one level but I really do think that they have misunderstood their reach this time round along with announcing very late. The higher than anticipated ticket prices in Europe are not the only limiting factor here imo so it’s not just the cost of the tickets that I’m factoring in. Travel, hotels and food have all got a lot more expensive. If you expect your core fanbase to travel to see you, you shouldn’t be surprised if sales are much slower when costs for everything associated with the travel has gone up.
We’re fortunate enough to be able to afford to go to the shows, to travel to see the band in other countries if we want etc. It just doesn’t feel to me that a minimum of £500 for a night out, all factors considered, with shit seats at the back of a stadium is good value for money no matter how much I like the band or how good they are.0 -
LiveAtLeeds said:coco32175 said:mcgruff10 said:They definitely out punted their coverage this tour as evident by the amount of tickets left for the european shows. Literally thousands of unsold tickets."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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Some were 160, some were 125. All marked down to 92 at the moment.0
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BudT said:EH14457 said:BudT said:I remember when they stood for something.
The guys still stand for plenty. They just also want to capture more of the revenue that their ticket sales are capable of generating. Those 2 things are not mutually exclusive.You cannot do an arena tour in the US without TM. Full stop.
They are worth $200-ish a ticket to me but everyone has to decide that for themselves.Post edited by kmcmanus on0 -
Yeah, I just got a National/War On Drugs ticket for $150, so we can relax about where PJ priced them (non dynamic of course)
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Tim Simmons said:Yeah, I just got a National/War On Drugs ticket for $150, so we can relax about where PJ priced them (non dynamic of course)www.cluthelee.com0
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Do not hate the players, hate the game. It is Ticketmaster's monopoly that is ultimately hurting consumers. You cannot blame the band for accepting more money when others are making money off their gigs. And do not mention the Cure as they are an outlier.0
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PJ can say no to the dynamic pricing, but also, they are a business and have to support their crew, so whatever.0
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Get_Right said:Do not hate the players, hate the game. It is Ticketmaster's monopoly that is ultimately hurting consumers. You cannot blame the band for accepting more money when others are making money off their gigs. And do not mention the Cure as they are an outlier.
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2-feign-reluctance said:Tim Simmons said:Yeah, I just got a National/War On Drugs ticket for $150, so we can relax about where PJ priced them (non dynamic of course)
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Rear GA $200+ (plus fees)
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