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I dunno. I pay more amounts to see some other bands, a little less for some others. PJ prices seem in the ballpark for veteran rock acts.
They tried to fight ticketmaster 31 years ago now? They lost. lol.
To me the hotel for 3 nights costs more than the tickets for 2 shows. Lets rage against the drastically increased prices of hotels
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fairAlaG said:
Ah. I missed the part where people were whining about the base price of 10C tickets and not Pearl Jam Premium.estarr31 said:
your chance was last weekAlaG said:
I'd love to pay $200 a ticket at Madison Square Garden. Where can I do that?bootlegger10 said:I'm amazed that people won't spend $200 on a band they love. What do they have? 10 albums? You paid an average of $10 per CD. So you've gotten decades of enjoyment out of music for the low price of $100, but by god, we can't be bothered to pay another $200 to see them live? You've gotten a damn bargain based on the enjoyment you've received to the cash you've paid for their music. I assume there is enjoyment because you like the band enough to join their fan club and post on their message board.Mansfield 6/30/08 - Wrigley Field 7/14/13 - Worcester I 10/15/13 - Global Citizen 9/26/15 - MSG II 5/2/16 - Fenway I 8/5/16 - Fenway II 8/7/16 - Fenway II 9/4/18 - LA I 5/6/22 - LA II 5/7/22 - MSG 9/11/22 - Nashville 9/16/22 - St. Paul I and II 8/31/23-9/2/23 - Napa 5/25/24 - MSG I 9/3/24 - MSG II 9/4/24 - Hollywood FL I 4/24/25 - Hollywood FL II 4/26/250 -
I was curious so I looked back.
A 10c ticket in September 2023 was $162.05 usd (Austin), a ticket this time to Vancouver 2024 in usd is $154.81
Not actually that horrible to me at least. When they tour nowadays, I pick a city I haven’t been to yet where they’re playing multiple nights, and I make a 4 or 5 day trip out of it for my wife and I. Long gone are the days where multiple cities are doable. I just don’t have the funds or time for that stuff anymore, and the trip becomes 60% about a long weekend away with my wife and 40% PJ.Not going to get rid of my membership, but it does have a sad sort of feeling to it to me, realizing that one of the reasons I followed this band and these guys for much of my life is gone now that they have $850 premium tickets. Kind of feels shitty.I'm like an opening band for your mom.0 -
Besides that, prices in Europe are just different for artists like PJ. They are not Taylor Swift or Adele. They'll come back next time and charge a 100 Euro like they should.KidAOK said:
Why are you quoting the doubled in only 2 years when I didn't even mention that?kmcmanus said:
Their last European tour was sold in January 2020 despite being performed in ‘22. I wonder if anything notable happened in the world in that 4 years? If those shows had been sold in ‘22 they would have been higher. So the whole “doubled in only 2 years” thing is lacking some nuance.KidAOK said:
A close to 70% increase (I think I have that number right) in ticket prices since their last European tour is inexcusable. And the market is clearly telling us it's too expensive.SHZA said:
Selling your product for what the market will bear is inexcusable?KidAOK said:It's really disappointing to see fans making excuses for the inexcusable.
I'll remove the nuance. A show priced in 2020 being close to 70% more expensive 4 years later is inexcusable even though you are trying.------------------------------
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Why? All that does is keeps TM’s system from being overloaded when they know they will have high demand on-sales. Yes it means you have to get lucky in the lottery to get in right at first, but overall it helps the process.JimmyV said:The registered-only sale bothers me more than the ticket prices this time around.0 -
Agreed, its either this or the internet crashes for a day and bots get all the tickets.JD87070 said:
Why? All that does is keeps TM’s system from being overloaded when they know they will have high demand on-sales. Yes it means you have to get lucky in the lottery to get in right at first, but overall it helps the process.JimmyV said:The registered-only sale bothers me more than the ticket prices this time around.Turn this anger into
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Yes I agree with all of this. If 10C tix are subsidized by PJ premium, then charge more for the coveted GAs and lowers. And less for the nosebleeds. GAs already insanely expensive on the secondary market (where legal).estarr31 said:
The prices are subsidized for all 10C tix. But this is not a bad idea. Charge more for GA, Res 1, and less for Res 2. Hell, add a Res 3 to split some of the latter two up. You can balance these offsets within 10C structure without going to platinum tix.SHZA said:
Last year the company line was that premium subsidizes other tickets, i.e., by making an extra $500 (or whatever) on 10% of the tickets, they can reduce the price of the remaining tickets. Without premium, maybe the standard price would be $250, and people would surely bitch about that. Since people find the current standard pricing unpalatable, maybe they should sell even more premiums and reduce the base price of the other tickets, but then fewer people would get face-value tickets in the lottery, etc.Wolf359 said:SHZA said:
That is the basic idea behind platinum/premium - the artist selling tickets at the approximate price they would sell for on the secondary market. And if they can sell 10% of the tickets at the platinum price, why not expand it to 20%? Or increase the prices of standard tickets for regular fans? Otherwise, they are leaving money on the table. The downside is that charging too much comes off as greedy and alienates the fans as we can see from the commentsAlaG said:
I think a lot of artists have begun thinking this way. I think what they need to figure out though is does it just set the prices even higher for regular people? Apparently for some folks there is no upper limit folks are willing to pay.SHZA said:
Absolutely. Why should a ticket broker who does nothing but flips make more money than the actual artist?Henderson7 said:Not defending it because the whole thing is gross but I think part of this is bands are starting to say screw it we are charging x and we are getting the money instead of charging $90 lets say and some other person is taking that ticket and charging $180. Theya re almost trying to outprice the resale market in a way.
right, the artist should absolutely be the ones taking the money vs resellers taking it on the secondary market.
But, when you have a situation where there is F2F resale only, which effectively shutsdown the secondary market, then why still charge premiums/platinums?
(Yes, I know that professional scalpers can still get around no transfer option, but it still is a very small portion of the secondary market compared to when Transfer is enabled).
The thing I find most baffling about PJ's pricing model is charging basically the same for the best and worst seats. Having a range of prices would go a long way to addressing these complaints. People who don't want to spend a fortune could get a ticket for $50-100. Tickets in the pit or close to the stage would have to be more (but still well below typical platinum prices), but plenty of fans would still jump on it. Similar to pricing for some sporting events, e.g. MLB. Some well-off fans or corporate season ticket holders will shell out big bucks for a luxury experience. Other fans want a more affordable experience. There's a price point for everyone. If the team charged the same price for the fourth deck as for seats behind home plate, the upper deck would be empty every game. That's basically what we're seeing with these european ticket sales.0 -
thats all fine, but you know people will riot over the increased costs for GA. thats a guarantee. any kind of change like that would receive massive backlashWolf359 said:
Yes I agree with all of this. If 10C tix are subsidized by PJ premium, then charge more for the coveted GAs and lowers. And less for the nosebleeds. GAs already insanely expensive on the secondary market (where legal).estarr31 said:
The prices are subsidized for all 10C tix. But this is not a bad idea. Charge more for GA, Res 1, and less for Res 2. Hell, add a Res 3 to split some of the latter two up. You can balance these offsets within 10C structure without going to platinum tix.SHZA said:
Last year the company line was that premium subsidizes other tickets, i.e., by making an extra $500 (or whatever) on 10% of the tickets, they can reduce the price of the remaining tickets. Without premium, maybe the standard price would be $250, and people would surely bitch about that. Since people find the current standard pricing unpalatable, maybe they should sell even more premiums and reduce the base price of the other tickets, but then fewer people would get face-value tickets in the lottery, etc.Wolf359 said:SHZA said:
That is the basic idea behind platinum/premium - the artist selling tickets at the approximate price they would sell for on the secondary market. And if they can sell 10% of the tickets at the platinum price, why not expand it to 20%? Or increase the prices of standard tickets for regular fans? Otherwise, they are leaving money on the table. The downside is that charging too much comes off as greedy and alienates the fans as we can see from the commentsAlaG said:
I think a lot of artists have begun thinking this way. I think what they need to figure out though is does it just set the prices even higher for regular people? Apparently for some folks there is no upper limit folks are willing to pay.SHZA said:
Absolutely. Why should a ticket broker who does nothing but flips make more money than the actual artist?Henderson7 said:Not defending it because the whole thing is gross but I think part of this is bands are starting to say screw it we are charging x and we are getting the money instead of charging $90 lets say and some other person is taking that ticket and charging $180. Theya re almost trying to outprice the resale market in a way.
right, the artist should absolutely be the ones taking the money vs resellers taking it on the secondary market.
But, when you have a situation where there is F2F resale only, which effectively shutsdown the secondary market, then why still charge premiums/platinums?
(Yes, I know that professional scalpers can still get around no transfer option, but it still is a very small portion of the secondary market compared to when Transfer is enabled).
The thing I find most baffling about PJ's pricing model is charging basically the same for the best and worst seats. Having a range of prices would go a long way to addressing these complaints. People who don't want to spend a fortune could get a ticket for $50-100. Tickets in the pit or close to the stage would have to be more (but still well below typical platinum prices), but plenty of fans would still jump on it. Similar to pricing for some sporting events, e.g. MLB. Some well-off fans or corporate season ticket holders will shell out big bucks for a luxury experience. Other fans want a more affordable experience. There's a price point for everyone. If the team charged the same price for the fourth deck as for seats behind home plate, the upper deck would be empty every game. That's basically what we're seeing with these european ticket sales.0 -
People are going to complain no matter what they do, that's a guarantee. It's obvious that GA are by far the most coveted tickets and vastly underpriced based on all the posts of people offering to trade seats for GA and how quickly they get snatched up on F2F. Plenty of people would gladly pay the higher price without rioting.Eddieredder said:
thats all fine, but you know people will riot over the increased costs for GA. thats a guarantee. any kind of change like that would receive massive backlashWolf359 said:
Yes I agree with all of this. If 10C tix are subsidized by PJ premium, then charge more for the coveted GAs and lowers. And less for the nosebleeds. GAs already insanely expensive on the secondary market (where legal).estarr31 said:
The prices are subsidized for all 10C tix. But this is not a bad idea. Charge more for GA, Res 1, and less for Res 2. Hell, add a Res 3 to split some of the latter two up. You can balance these offsets within 10C structure without going to platinum tix.SHZA said:
Last year the company line was that premium subsidizes other tickets, i.e., by making an extra $500 (or whatever) on 10% of the tickets, they can reduce the price of the remaining tickets. Without premium, maybe the standard price would be $250, and people would surely bitch about that. Since people find the current standard pricing unpalatable, maybe they should sell even more premiums and reduce the base price of the other tickets, but then fewer people would get face-value tickets in the lottery, etc.Wolf359 said:SHZA said:
That is the basic idea behind platinum/premium - the artist selling tickets at the approximate price they would sell for on the secondary market. And if they can sell 10% of the tickets at the platinum price, why not expand it to 20%? Or increase the prices of standard tickets for regular fans? Otherwise, they are leaving money on the table. The downside is that charging too much comes off as greedy and alienates the fans as we can see from the commentsAlaG said:
I think a lot of artists have begun thinking this way. I think what they need to figure out though is does it just set the prices even higher for regular people? Apparently for some folks there is no upper limit folks are willing to pay.SHZA said:
Absolutely. Why should a ticket broker who does nothing but flips make more money than the actual artist?Henderson7 said:Not defending it because the whole thing is gross but I think part of this is bands are starting to say screw it we are charging x and we are getting the money instead of charging $90 lets say and some other person is taking that ticket and charging $180. Theya re almost trying to outprice the resale market in a way.
right, the artist should absolutely be the ones taking the money vs resellers taking it on the secondary market.
But, when you have a situation where there is F2F resale only, which effectively shutsdown the secondary market, then why still charge premiums/platinums?
(Yes, I know that professional scalpers can still get around no transfer option, but it still is a very small portion of the secondary market compared to when Transfer is enabled).
The thing I find most baffling about PJ's pricing model is charging basically the same for the best and worst seats. Having a range of prices would go a long way to addressing these complaints. People who don't want to spend a fortune could get a ticket for $50-100. Tickets in the pit or close to the stage would have to be more (but still well below typical platinum prices), but plenty of fans would still jump on it. Similar to pricing for some sporting events, e.g. MLB. Some well-off fans or corporate season ticket holders will shell out big bucks for a luxury experience. Other fans want a more affordable experience. There's a price point for everyone. If the team charged the same price for the fourth deck as for seats behind home plate, the upper deck would be empty every game. That's basically what we're seeing with these european ticket sales.0 -
I've been a fan since the 90s, a 10C member forever, and I've seen countless shows, including Wrigley and Fenway in the past decade.
I was hoping to grab a single seat in Baltimore, MD, now that you don't need a code to hop in the queue, and I honestly can't wrap my head around the cost. Charging $600+ for nosebleed seats in Baltimore, MD, USA, is wild. The arena holds 14,000 people for a concert, so that's going to equate to an $8,000,000.00+ ($8+ million dollars) revenue it ticket sales for someone just for this show.
At this rate, in 10 years, the cost to go to a PJ show will be above $1,000 USD for the same terrible seat.
What a change of direction for the guys who once tried to stand up against Ticketmaster.
I guess I've seen my last PJ show.
Congrats to all those who can afford that ticket.
Super jealous.
Have fun.
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10% of the seats are priced this way as PJ Premium, the rest were a significantly lower price (most shows averaged around $175/ticket). The Premiums are just the only ones left after the 10C presale and general on sale. To get regular priced tickets you need to get them in the presale or be on right when they go on sale, and even then it’s a crapshoot.aLostDog said:I've been a fan since the 90s, a 10C member forever, and I've seen countless shows, including Wrigley and Fenway in the past decade.
I was hoping to grab a single seat in Baltimore, MD, now that you don't need a code to hop in the queue, and I honestly can't wrap my head around the cost. Charging $600+ for nosebleed seats in Baltimore, MD, USA, is wild. The arena holds 14,000 people for a concert, so that's going to equate to an $8,000,000.00+ ($8+ million dollars) revenue it ticket sales for someone just for this show.
At this rate, in 10 years, the cost to go to a PJ show will be above $1,000 USD for the same terrible seat.
What a change of direction for the guys who once tried to stand up against Ticketmaster.
I guess I've seen my last PJ show.
Congrats to all those who can afford that ticket.
Super jealous.
Have fun. 0 -
Interesting that so many shows are already considered Sold Out on the tour page.0
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And it's an asking price. $600 uppers probably won't sell. If they don't sell, prices drop.JD87070 said:
10% of the seats are priced this way as PJ Premium, the rest were a significantly lower price (most shows averaged around $175/ticket). The Premiums are just the only ones left after the 10C presale and general on sale. To get regular priced tickets you need to get them in the presale or be on right when they go on sale, and even then it’s a crapshoot.aLostDog said:I've been a fan since the 90s, a 10C member forever, and I've seen countless shows, including Wrigley and Fenway in the past decade.
I was hoping to grab a single seat in Baltimore, MD, now that you don't need a code to hop in the queue, and I honestly can't wrap my head around the cost. Charging $600+ for nosebleed seats in Baltimore, MD, USA, is wild. The arena holds 14,000 people for a concert, so that's going to equate to an $8,000,000.00+ ($8+ million dollars) revenue it ticket sales for someone just for this show.
At this rate, in 10 years, the cost to go to a PJ show will be above $1,000 USD for the same terrible seat.
What a change of direction for the guys who once tried to stand up against Ticketmaster.
I guess I've seen my last PJ show.
Congrats to all those who can afford that ticket.
Super jealous.
Have fun. 0 -
yeah thats weird, I can still get $175 tickets for Philly night 2 but its back cornersiOnlyownMymind said:Interesting that so many shows are already considered Sold Out on the tour page.2023 Austin 1 & 2
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Folks it’s all about demand the band should do more shows if they did a 6 or 10 run show at MSG most folks would get better seats and more fans would get to see them 2 shows in MSG or Philly is pathetic! Do Phish fans have the same issues I don’t believe they dojesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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My first PJ show was Seattle '96, my last was Philly 2022. Been in the fan club since 1995.I believe that's the end of my PJ shows unless I win the lottery. I'm so disappointed in this catastrophe.0
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100% this. Don’t underestimate the lack of shows. The ‘22 tour was actually the ‘20 tour and people held onto their tickets so they were scarce. Last year was 9 shows. The reality is people are willing to pay 400-500 for great seats to a show these days.on2legs said:These "premium" ticket prices were happening no matter what. If the best seats in the house were priced at $175 they would have all been grabbed by people with connections and bots and then posted at premium prices on the resale market. People are dreaming if they think they were going to drop into the Ticketmaster online sale at 10am and grab 2 floor seats for cheap. They would be gone long before you had a chance to get them in your cart. PJ Premium is just transferring the markup from a scalper to the band. If someone is going to get that money it should be the band.0 -
Honestly for me it’s thatAbe Froman said:The prices are ridiculous. It’s really hard to defend PJ here knowing what they’ve stood for all these years. They have changed. Pearl Jam is a brand now. Other than the make up Indy show which I already have tickets for, I too am sadly sitting this tour out. I didn’t think I would ever be typing this. So many things have added up slowly and has dampened my excitement about PJ.Here’s a few:
- ticket prices
- no more fan club t or vinyl
- much shorter shows
- the insane merch frenzy and lines
- shipping prices through 10c
- vinyl price of Dark MatterI get the “reasons” behind most of this and the band has certainly earned the right to do whatever they want but it doesn’t change the fact of how some of us feel that have been here since the beginning. It bums me out. I do love the new single and I’m excited to hear the rest of Dark Matter but I can’t help all the negative feelings I’ve been having surrounding my favorite band of all time.
-the lottery is a mess, no priority
- I’m willing to pay money but now the seats are far worse than before0 -
mace1229 said:$200 probably is normal for a band of this caliber. Obviously there are lots of well known bands you can see for less. But the trend is to charge more for shows, and people are willing to do it.
Honestly, who here wouldn't?
Would anyone here open a restaurant, sell out every single night, have huge demand, and not raise prices when you are turning away customers every day? Or make a little extra money so your kids can continue the same lifestyle you've given them even after you're gone? The price sucks, but I don't blame them for it.
I'd gladly pay 200.00 if i had the opportunity! Got shut out of Philly Again this year. The pass-code thing just isn't working! the scalpers are still getting the tickets, and the fans without deep pockets or connections get shut out.
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It's quite sad seeing the amount of tickets available still in Manchester and London, over 24 hours on from the on-sale.
A lot of people get paid at the end of the month, if things haven't changed much by the time we hit 1-2 March then they're probably not going to.
I understand band fans lumping all the blame on Ticketmaster for dynamic/platinum etc or saying why would PJ fight them again? TM probably just offer all this stuff on a default contract as they see it as best for their client. If Robert Smith & The Cure, who I think we all would agree carry nowhere near the industry clout that PJ do, can set their rules that these things not be used then it is clear it can be done if there's a will.
People have said the band aren't the same people they were 30 years ago, of course they're not, when you're an 8-9 digit multi-millionaire you're going to lose a lot of perspective on the reality for most people. They will have told their management the figure for which they are prepared to "go to work" each day. Dynamic pricing means the promoter only has to get sales to that figure plus setup costs in order to not lose on their investment, which could happen with 25% sold, 50% sold etc. That'll be why that Def Leppard/Motley Crue gig went ahead at a barely 1/2 full Wembley last year.
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