Dark Matter World Tour 2024

Get_Right said:

Zod said:

RatherStarved said:

kmcmanus said:

Carmen-M said:

Such a shame that the band has become what they fought against.

You do realize they lost that fight right? They’ve been working with TM again since ‘98. 

If you can’t beat ‘em join em 

What other choice did they have?  They tried to do their own tour in '95 by either using dilapidated old venues without TM contracts or even creating their own venues (Indio, CA).  It was super involved, meant you had to run/staff these venues, they burned themselves out, and I think the tour combusted when Eddie got sick (and Neil Young tried to fill in).  It was a trainwreck.

TM/Live Nation has only gotten worse in the following 3 decades.  There's almost no venues on considerable size to play without using them (aside from the odd ball park and what not that uses their own service).  It's either, use TM or don't tour.

I don't think it's if you can't beat 'em join 'em.  It's if you want to do to a tour in north america, bend over.

PJ is not bending over. They are making more money than ever on their tours. The music and concert businesses have completely transformed in the last 20 years. Blame the internet and technology. 

CROJAM95 said:

Safe to say west coast winners get announced maybe today/tomorrow?

shit show east coast Tuesday/wednesday?

josevolution said:

Get_Right said:

Zod said:

RatherStarved said:

kmcmanus said:

Carmen-M said:

Such a shame that the band has become what they fought against.

You do realize they lost that fight right? They’ve been working with TM again since ‘98. 

If you can’t beat ‘em join em 

What other choice did they have?  They tried to do their own tour in '95 by either using dilapidated old venues without TM contracts or even creating their own venues (Indio, CA).  It was super involved, meant you had to run/staff these venues, they burned themselves out, and I think the tour combusted when Eddie got sick (and Neil Young tried to fill in).  It was a trainwreck.

TM/Live Nation has only gotten worse in the following 3 decades.  There's almost no venues on considerable size to play without using them (aside from the odd ball park and what not that uses their own service).  It's either, use TM or don't tour.

I don't think it's if you can't beat 'em join 'em.  It's if you want to do to a tour in north america, bend over.

PJ is not bending over. They are making more money than ever on their tours. The music and concert businesses have completely transformed in the last 20 years. Blame the internet and technology. 

Yep easier to make more $$$$! It’s up to individuals to either pay up or not if I can get lucky and get 1 show I’ll be satisfied! 

BF25394 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

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Lerxst1992 said:

BF25394 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

kmcmanus said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Zod said:

MD190661 said:

kaw753 said:

MD190661 said:

kaw753 said:

hihobibo said:

JBob87 said:

One angle I didn't consider...you know there is going to be someone who accidentally wins 10 shows because of the elimination of priority.

I know it has always said "be prepared to be charged for everything" but with the old priority system there was always kind of a cap on what was realistic. 

In the old days you had to get them at will call too. Now you can just post them on F2F. So as long as someone can take the credit card hit for a month or so, someone can realistically sign up for every show knowing they can dump whatever they don't want pretty easily. It was very apparent last year that was the case, as you'd see people who all of a sudden "couldn't make it" for a show they just put in for a few weeks before, and post them up to F2F as soon as that option opened. The by-product of this is that it pushes out others who actually want to go further back, or not getting picked at all. 

Basically, the 10c tickets are now just a starting point and then you hit F2F to see if you can do better. Of the 6 pairs I won last tour, only my #6 pick were seats that didn't suck and/or I couldn't easily do better with 30 minutes of F5 on F2F.  It went from me being shutout in the lottery for two shows in South Carolina in 2016 to now pretty much getting picked for everything and not using what they are giving out.

Which is why I think it's still worth doing the lottery. I want GA for the show I picked. If I don't get that, maybe I'll get seats I like. If not, I'll find better ones at the F2F and sell my 10 Club. 

The people getting screwed with the no priority system are people in NYC, Philly, and Baltimore. I went from having 0% chance of getting those to the same as people who live beside the arenas who would have put them as #1 back in the day. I might have a 0.001% chance of getting GA for NYC, but....

I kind of wish they'd do a zip code thing for shows like MSG or other tough tickets. I know PJ is a travel band, but I think it should be easier for someone who lives within a few miles to get to tickets than me in CA. 

Would it help that much?  New York has almost 75% of the population of Canada within 100 miles of its city centre.   I think playing a bigger venue would help more

A four hour drive from NYC yields the population of Canada plus Australia. And also Almost nearly doubles the population of California (closer to 1.5x).

And you would still need to drive 2 more hours before you hit Syracuse but MSG is still our closest “local” show. New York is a big state beyond just NYC.

I’m just mentioning for a population comparison. So many shows in Cali, Vegas and AZ in recent years, but not many realize there is a much greater population density here on the east coast, despite California being the largest state. A land mass like that on the east coast would be at least double the Cali population

too bad we’d never get double the shows!

This is an exaggeration. You'd have to combine the population of all the coastal states from New York down to Georgia (plus non-coastal states PA and WV) to get to double the population of California (NY, NJ, PA, MD, DE, WV, VA, NC, SC and GA = 2xCA + ~3M). CA = ~ all six N.E. states plus NY and NJ. CA also = ~ MD, DE, WV, VA, NC, SC and GA combined.

They play a lot of shows in the West in part because they are from the West. The band is based in Seattle (duh, I know), but its members live primarily in or near Seattle, Los Angeles, Montana (and Hawai'i). 

There’s 23 million in the extended NYC metropolitan area. Now add extended metro areas of Bos, Philly, Balt, DC, and you’re over 40 million. Now include all the points in between in a four hour drive, which even includes our beloved Syracuse, Hartford, Providence, Albany, You’re very close to sixty, and nowhere near Georgia. (Edit, the double comment was in reference to the land mass of Cali, overlay the square miles of Cali onto the east coast and you’re pretty darn close to 80 mil; a 4 hour drive from NYC is 60 mil)

 

I think you're double-counting. For example, the extended D.C. metro area includes Baltimore, and vice versa.

I added the actual populations of the states. If you take all of New England plus New York and New Jersey, you get about 44 million. If you take all of the states on the eastern seaboard from New York south to Georgia, you get 71.8 million, which is still shy of twice California. Add Pennsylvania and you get to about 84.7 million.

If you laid California over the most populous segment of the eastern seaboard, it goes from northern New York to just a bit south of the Virginia-North Carolina border. It also would not include western New York or western Pennsylvania. You don't get anywhere near 80 million in any California-sized swath of the eastern seaboard.

It’s a measure of what’s a comfortable drive to NY. And the age old stat, 80% of the US population is in the eastern half of the country. And the most densely populated part of that is the NE corridor.

Let’s compare NY to LA, which is almost as large, but LA is surrounded by vast regions of deserts and mountains. In NY to DC to Bos, that comparable area surrounding the cities is filled with fans typing away on ten c putting in their entries for tickets.

Let’s look at the entire coasts, and back out Florida in the east since that extends further south than Cali. There’s about 51 million on the west coast (39+8+4) and 120 million on the east coast, less Florida that’s 100 million. The most densely populated part of that 100 million is the four hour radius around NY. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Coast_of_the_United_States

 

What does southern Georgia have to do with New York? And what does the state of Washington have to do with California?

You said that a similarly sized swath of the east coast to California would have double the population of California. That is not true. I have demonstrated why this is not true. If you want to add a visual to the numbers I previously cited, look here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/m6mos/california_in_perspective_for_east_coasters_usa/.

Are there more people in the Eastern Time Zone than in the Pacific Time Zone? Are there more people on the eastern seaboard than on the west coast? Yes and yes. But neither of these propositions is relevant to the point you originally made, which was an exaggeration.

MRMACPHISTO75 said:

Email just received. I have Manchester tickets ☺️

Seanie said:

kilteragh said:

Seanie said:

Got chosen for Dublin. But bank decided to decline payment as they thought it was fraudulent. Even though I contacted bank before hand to tell them about it and not to block it. I now have to see if ticketmaster will attempt payment again but heard nothing back yet. Really angry about this.

Did you get an email to say you had been declined or notification from your bank? I'm in the same situation as you in that I got the email to say I had scored tickets but I see nothing on my bank app to say whether payment has been accepted or declined yet. No email from TM either to signify a decline.

Got sorted. Ticketmaster attempted again and this time got email that I scored the tickets and also saw money went out of the bank. Once you get email then you should be OK.