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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,570
    23scidoo said:
    static111 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general.  I do however like full data from multiple sources.  This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging.  It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes.  I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission?  Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?

    I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make.  Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.

    For your info..no tik tok, no twitter, no facebook, no tv here..
    Youtube? 😂
  •  bro just don’t get the vax what’s the big deal? @23scidoo @AW124797 I’m a libtard and I didnt get the most recent booster. so what?

    Attitude like this gets us situations like East Palestine. They voted 70% for trump who eliminated a regulation for a safer train braking system that could have spared their town the toxic nightmare they will sleep in for the rest of their lives, unless they move. But yeah, it’s all the old mans fault because he’s senile or something 
    There’s a part of me that wishes Brandon would just say, “well, if you had voted for me and believed that government had a role in regulation, protecting the environment, using tax dollars to improve safety and being proactive rather than reactive, then I’d be willing to use the full force of the federal government to assist you but since you didn’t, here’s the number to your governor’s office. You’re on your own, good luck.”

    Brandon would never do that, nor would democrats in general, because he, and they, typically have empathy and try to be on the right side of things, regardless. Remember the flak Chris Christless Christy took from his own party for welcoming Obama to tour super storm sandy devastation or the repubs voting down emergency spending for super storm Sandy response? Or Christless shutting down bridge lanes because someone wouldn’t endorse him? Or, repub gubners sending migrants to blue states rather than showing an ounce of humanity?

    Elections have consequences and sometimes they should to magnify the differences between the dems and whatever mess of a party that thing called repubs is. Now is not that time, however.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    23scidoo said:
    static111 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general.  I do however like full data from multiple sources.  This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging.  It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes.  I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission?  Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?

    I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make.  Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.

    My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
    If you're a public health official,  and you are seeing the deaths,  setting the carnage,  do you error on the side that over protects or under?
  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,989
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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,989
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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,989
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    static111 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general.  I do however like full data from multiple sources.  This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging.  It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes.  I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission?  Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?

    I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make.  Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.

    My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
    If you're a public health official,  and you are seeing the deaths,  setting the carnage,  do you error on the side that over protects or under?
    a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..
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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,989
    23scidoo said:
    A graph showing the increase in the python population in the state?
    A graph showing the increase of stupidity..which country??..can't say..wanna keep my membership..
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    static111 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general.  I do however like full data from multiple sources.  This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging.  It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes.  I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission?  Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?

    I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make.  Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.

    My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
    If you're a public health official,  and you are seeing the deaths,  setting the carnage,  do you error on the side that over protects or under?
    a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..
    That is the most foolish thing I've read.  Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue.  Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?  
  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,989
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    static111 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general.  I do however like full data from multiple sources.  This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging.  It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes.  I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission?  Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?

    I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make.  Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.

    My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
    If you're a public health official,  and you are seeing the deaths,  setting the carnage,  do you error on the side that over protects or under?
    a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..
    That is the most foolish thing I've read.  Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue.  Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?  
    ''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..
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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,989
    mrussel1 said:
    So to be clear, you read 5 articles about Pfizer, millions of penalties, your own country blames them and you still defend them??
    are you working for them maybe??
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  • jwhjr17
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    23scidoo said:
    @23scidoo what is this a graph of?  I haven't bothered with the countless links posted so I'm sure I've missed the source and what it represents.
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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,989
    jwhjr17 said:
    23scidoo said:
    @23scidoo what is this a graph of?  I haven't bothered with the countless links posted so I'm sure I've missed the source and what it represents.
    VAERS, Florida..
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,570
    23scidoo said:
    jwhjr17 said:
    23scidoo said:
    @23scidoo what is this a graph of?  I haven't bothered with the countless links posted so I'm sure I've missed the source and what it represents.
    VAERS, Florida..
    Since anyone can report anything to VAERS, we can safely say it lacks certainty. 
  • jwhjr17
    jwhjr17 Posts: 2,079
    23scidoo said:
    jwhjr17 said:
    23scidoo said:
    @23scidoo what is this a graph of?  I haven't bothered with the countless links posted so I'm sure I've missed the source and what it represents.
    VAERS, Florida..
    Got it. 100% agree there are adverse reactions to the Covid vaccines (and any other vaccine), but pretty easy to skew the numbers quickly if a group was so inclined since it's a self-reporting system.  Thanks for clarifying what the graph is meant to represent.

    As it is based on submissions by the public, VAERS is susceptible to unverified reports, misattribution, underreporting, and inconsistent data quality. Raw, unverified data from VAERS has often been used by the anti-vaccine community to justify misinformation regarding the safety of vaccines; it is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused an adverse event, or how common the event might be.
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  • Lerxst1992
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    edited February 2023
     bro just don’t get the vax what’s the big deal? @23scidoo @AW124797 I’m a libtard and I didnt get the most recent booster. so what?

    Attitude like this gets us situations like East Palestine. They voted 70% for trump who eliminated a regulation for a safer train braking system that could have spared their town the toxic nightmare they will sleep in for the rest of their lives, unless they move. But yeah, it’s all the old mans fault because he’s senile or something 
    There’s a part of me that wishes Brandon would just say, “well, if you had voted for me and believed that government had a role in regulation, protecting the environment, using tax dollars to improve safety and being proactive rather than reactive, then I’d be willing to use the full force of the federal government to assist you but since you didn’t, here’s the number to your governor’s office. You’re on your own, good luck.”

    Brandon would never do that, nor would democrats in general, because he, and they, typically have empathy and try to be on the right side of things, regardless. Remember the flak Chris Christless Christy took from his own party for welcoming Obama to tour super storm sandy devastation or the repubs voting down emergency spending for super storm Sandy response? Or Christless shutting down bridge lanes because someone wouldn’t endorse him? Or, repub gubners sending migrants to blue states rather than showing an ounce of humanity?

    Elections have consequences and sometimes they should to magnify the differences between the dems and whatever mess of a party that thing called repubs is. Now is not that time, however.

    As someone who experienced Sandy, had my wife disappear for four months working on the recovery, meaning I was alone taking care of my special needs dependent almost singlehandedly for that time, with a 60 foot tree on our house and no power no heat, it was enormously offensive that republicans voted against sandy aid and I experience anger every time a Republican community such as east Palestine needs help without their acknowledgment that they vote against the regulations aimed to prevent or lessen the risk of tragedies like this, and also vote against the funding to keep the govt effective to be able to respond when tragedy strikes.

    Yet my comment was expectedly ignored by any right leaning commenters on here to continue instead with the nonsense about the vax. Just don’t get the vax ffs, unfortunately medicine is not an exact science. This is not a political conspiracy, but creating an unsafe environment and a bathtub sized govt not equipped to handle crisis, ignore that very real conspiracy while you beg for democratic help


     
  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,989
    Seems you have your excuses ready..
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    static111 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general.  I do however like full data from multiple sources.  This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging.  It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes.  I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission?  Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?

    I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make.  Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.

    My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
    If you're a public health official,  and you are seeing the deaths,  setting the carnage,  do you error on the side that over protects or under?
    a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..
    That is the most foolish thing I've read.  Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue.  Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?  
    ''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..
    Ugh.  You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication?  Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something?  Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not. 

    You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed.  No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    static111 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general.  I do however like full data from multiple sources.  This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging.  It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes.  I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission?  Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?

    I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make.  Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.

    My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..
    If you're a public health official,  and you are seeing the deaths,  setting the carnage,  do you error on the side that over protects or under?
    a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..
    That is the most foolish thing I've read.  Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue.  Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?  
    ''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..
    Ugh.  You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication?  Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something?  Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not. 

    You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed.  No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills. 
    As a fellow poster stated, “it’s very entertaining.” Or words to that effect. For me, it’s taken the place of Comedy Central, seeing how I don’t have cable.


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