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HughFreakingDillon said:brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:brianlux said:There is a ton of hyperbole and drama coming out of the anti-vax camp and most of that should just be ignored. Any rational person understands the value of good science and solid evidence.
But on the other hand, I think there is very good cause to suggest that COVID vaccinations need to be studied very closely and that simply assuming nothing is wrong with them is also not a wise approach. Because they are so new and were produced so rapidly, we don't know what the long term affects of these vaccines are. But say something like that, and immediately a lot of people will assume you are a conspiracy laden anti-vaxer. That's what happened with RFK Jr and yet if you listen to some of his interviews on the topic, you'll see he is not a conspiracy anti-vaxer. No, he's like me, suggesting that more research needs to be done.I will admit, my own hesitation to be skeptical of the latest COVID vaccinations stems from my current rapid decline in health that start immediately with the last vaccination I got in October 2023. I do KNOW that the vaccination was the cause, but it is suspect.
All I'm saying is, lets stop being so one sided here. It's like everything else these days- all or nothing, black and white, my side or your side. Jesus, division seems to define our very society these days. That's neither wise nor helpful.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/15/politics/robert-kennedy-covid-vaccine-antisemitism/index.html
he also stated that said Covid-19 was “ethnically targeted” to spare Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese people.
he says "there is no vaccine that is safe and effective".Kennedy rejected the label that he’s “anti-vaccine” despite his long history of spreading misinformation about the efficacy of vaccines. When presented with a prior interview in which he said that “there is no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective,” Kennedy argued that his comments were meant to advocate greater research of vaccines while conceding that his previous remark was “a bad use of words.”
“I can say right now there is no medicine for cancer that’s safe and effective. It doesn’t mean I’m against all medicines. I’ve been fighting for two years to get mercury out of fish. Nobody calls me anti-fish,” Kennedy said.
Kennedy has been a leading proponent of vaccine misinformation through his organization Children’s Health Defense and has spent years wrongly suggesting that many vaccines are not safe. He falsely said that hepatitis B vaccines are “causing more problems than they’re solving” and stated he would be against schoolchildren being required to be vaccinated “for any vaccines.”
I should have left RFK out of it. Killed my whole point. Sorry.
And I don't think most critical thinkers are assuming nothing is wrong with the vaccines. We know that vaccine injuries happen, but they are rare. I will embrace whatever facts come out when they come out.brixton 93
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mrussel1 said:brianlux said:There is a ton of hyperbole and drama coming out of the anti-vax camp and most of that should just be ignored. Any rational person understands the value of good science and solid evidence.
But on the other hand, I think there is very good cause to suggest that COVID vaccinations need to be studied very closely and that simply assuming nothing is wrong with them is also not a wise approach. Because they are so new and were produced so rapidly, we don't know what the long term affects of these vaccines are. But say something like that, and immediately a lot of people will assume you are a conspiracy laden anti-vaxer. That's what happened with RFK Jr and yet if you listen to some of his interviews on the topic, you'll see he is not a conspiracy anti-vaxer. No, he's like me, suggesting that more research needs to be done.I will admit, my own hesitation to be skeptical of the latest COVID vaccinations stems from my current rapid decline in health that start immediately with the last vaccination I got in October 2023. I do KNOW that the vaccination was the cause, but it is suspect.
All I'm saying is, lets stop being so one sided here. It's like everything else these days- all or nothing, black and white, my side or your side. Jesus, division seems to define our very society these days. That's neither wise nor helpful.
Second, I think the Covid vaccine, at this point, should be taken by people at high risk for co-morbidities. I think we can all see that the disease has mutated to the point of not being nearly as deadly as the original virus.
Third, none of that is even in the vicinity of claiming that mRNA alters your DNA. This technology has been around since the 60's, studied, developed and it is the basis of the Ebola vaccines. It is not new. People (like Tucker) that are saying this are a menace and dangerous. Fuck them. I'll say it 10x over. Fuck them and Fuck him. He's a disgrace.HughFreakingDillon said:brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:brianlux said:There is a ton of hyperbole and drama coming out of the anti-vax camp and most of that should just be ignored. Any rational person understands the value of good science and solid evidence.
But on the other hand, I think there is very good cause to suggest that COVID vaccinations need to be studied very closely and that simply assuming nothing is wrong with them is also not a wise approach. Because they are so new and were produced so rapidly, we don't know what the long term affects of these vaccines are. But say something like that, and immediately a lot of people will assume you are a conspiracy laden anti-vaxer. That's what happened with RFK Jr and yet if you listen to some of his interviews on the topic, you'll see he is not a conspiracy anti-vaxer. No, he's like me, suggesting that more research needs to be done.I will admit, my own hesitation to be skeptical of the latest COVID vaccinations stems from my current rapid decline in health that start immediately with the last vaccination I got in October 2023. I do KNOW that the vaccination was the cause, but it is suspect.
All I'm saying is, lets stop being so one sided here. It's like everything else these days- all or nothing, black and white, my side or your side. Jesus, division seems to define our very society these days. That's neither wise nor helpful.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/15/politics/robert-kennedy-covid-vaccine-antisemitism/index.html
he also stated that said Covid-19 was “ethnically targeted” to spare Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese people.
he says "there is no vaccine that is safe and effective".Kennedy rejected the label that he’s “anti-vaccine” despite his long history of spreading misinformation about the efficacy of vaccines. When presented with a prior interview in which he said that “there is no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective,” Kennedy argued that his comments were meant to advocate greater research of vaccines while conceding that his previous remark was “a bad use of words.”
“I can say right now there is no medicine for cancer that’s safe and effective. It doesn’t mean I’m against all medicines. I’ve been fighting for two years to get mercury out of fish. Nobody calls me anti-fish,” Kennedy said.
Kennedy has been a leading proponent of vaccine misinformation through his organization Children’s Health Defense and has spent years wrongly suggesting that many vaccines are not safe. He falsely said that hepatitis B vaccines are “causing more problems than they’re solving” and stated he would be against schoolchildren being required to be vaccinated “for any vaccines.”
I should have left RFK out of it. Killed my whole point. Sorry.
And I don't think most critical thinkers are assuming nothing is wrong with the vaccines. We know that vaccine injuries happen, but they are rare. I will embrace whatever facts come out when they come out.
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lastexitlondon said:HughFreakingDillon said:you guys are running way too far with this particular mischaracterization of what rob said.0
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Well all anyone says here is an opinion. As nobody here is a medical professional and truth is truth
What's your point I don't understand. Im happy to read anything and learn.brixton 93
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brianlux said:mrussel1 said:brianlux said:There is a ton of hyperbole and drama coming out of the anti-vax camp and most of that should just be ignored. Any rational person understands the value of good science and solid evidence.
But on the other hand, I think there is very good cause to suggest that COVID vaccinations need to be studied very closely and that simply assuming nothing is wrong with them is also not a wise approach. Because they are so new and were produced so rapidly, we don't know what the long term affects of these vaccines are. But say something like that, and immediately a lot of people will assume you are a conspiracy laden anti-vaxer. That's what happened with RFK Jr and yet if you listen to some of his interviews on the topic, you'll see he is not a conspiracy anti-vaxer. No, he's like me, suggesting that more research needs to be done.I will admit, my own hesitation to be skeptical of the latest COVID vaccinations stems from my current rapid decline in health that start immediately with the last vaccination I got in October 2023. I do KNOW that the vaccination was the cause, but it is suspect.
All I'm saying is, lets stop being so one sided here. It's like everything else these days- all or nothing, black and white, my side or your side. Jesus, division seems to define our very society these days. That's neither wise nor helpful.
Second, I think the Covid vaccine, at this point, should be taken by people at high risk for co-morbidities. I think we can all see that the disease has mutated to the point of not being nearly as deadly as the original virus.
Third, none of that is even in the vicinity of claiming that mRNA alters your DNA. This technology has been around since the 60's, studied, developed and it is the basis of the Ebola vaccines. It is not new. People (like Tucker) that are saying this are a menace and dangerous. Fuck them. I'll say it 10x over. Fuck them and Fuck him. He's a disgrace.HughFreakingDillon said:brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:brianlux said:There is a ton of hyperbole and drama coming out of the anti-vax camp and most of that should just be ignored. Any rational person understands the value of good science and solid evidence.
But on the other hand, I think there is very good cause to suggest that COVID vaccinations need to be studied very closely and that simply assuming nothing is wrong with them is also not a wise approach. Because they are so new and were produced so rapidly, we don't know what the long term affects of these vaccines are. But say something like that, and immediately a lot of people will assume you are a conspiracy laden anti-vaxer. That's what happened with RFK Jr and yet if you listen to some of his interviews on the topic, you'll see he is not a conspiracy anti-vaxer. No, he's like me, suggesting that more research needs to be done.I will admit, my own hesitation to be skeptical of the latest COVID vaccinations stems from my current rapid decline in health that start immediately with the last vaccination I got in October 2023. I do KNOW that the vaccination was the cause, but it is suspect.
All I'm saying is, lets stop being so one sided here. It's like everything else these days- all or nothing, black and white, my side or your side. Jesus, division seems to define our very society these days. That's neither wise nor helpful.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/15/politics/robert-kennedy-covid-vaccine-antisemitism/index.html
he also stated that said Covid-19 was “ethnically targeted” to spare Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese people.
he says "there is no vaccine that is safe and effective".Kennedy rejected the label that he’s “anti-vaccine” despite his long history of spreading misinformation about the efficacy of vaccines. When presented with a prior interview in which he said that “there is no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective,” Kennedy argued that his comments were meant to advocate greater research of vaccines while conceding that his previous remark was “a bad use of words.”
“I can say right now there is no medicine for cancer that’s safe and effective. It doesn’t mean I’m against all medicines. I’ve been fighting for two years to get mercury out of fish. Nobody calls me anti-fish,” Kennedy said.
Kennedy has been a leading proponent of vaccine misinformation through his organization Children’s Health Defense and has spent years wrongly suggesting that many vaccines are not safe. He falsely said that hepatitis B vaccines are “causing more problems than they’re solving” and stated he would be against schoolchildren being required to be vaccinated “for any vaccines.”
I should have left RFK out of it. Killed my whole point. Sorry.
And I don't think most critical thinkers are assuming nothing is wrong with the vaccines. We know that vaccine injuries happen, but they are rare. I will embrace whatever facts come out when they come out.
sure, there's obviously profit in "big pharma", but you can't cut corners and have a treatment be developed properly these days. there's just too many checks in place for that. we'll never have a thalidomide again.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
We are still all learning what will happen as others said above. Time is the only way to see where it all goes nextbrixton 93
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lastexitlondon said:We are still all learning what will happen as others said above. Time is the only way to see where it all goes next0
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lastexitlondon said:Well all anyone says here is an opinion. As nobody here is a medical professional and truth is truth
What's your point I don't understand. Im happy to read anything and learn.0 -
Go Beavers said:lastexitlondon said:Well all anyone says here is an opinion. As nobody here is a medical professional and truth is truth
What's your point I don't understand. Im happy to read anything and learn.
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I didn't ask you any questionsbrixton 93
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lastexitlondon said:Go Beavers said:lastexitlondon said:Well all anyone says here is an opinion. As nobody here is a medical professional and truth is truth
What's your point I don't understand. Im happy to read anything and learn.
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Go Beavers said:lastexitlondon said:Go Beavers said:lastexitlondon said:Well all anyone says here is an opinion. As nobody here is a medical professional and truth is truth
What's your point I don't understand. Im happy to read anything and learn.
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Go Beavers said:lastexitlondon said:Go Beavers said:lastexitlondon said:Well all anyone says here is an opinion. As nobody here is a medical professional and truth is truth
What's your point I don't understand. Im happy to read anything and learn.
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What you have misread is me saying I didn't think it mattered who the interviewer was because if his style was not to people's taste( as I have no idea who the guy is apart from I recently saw he was the guy interview Putin.) I never once said what was in the video was truth you are very wrong . It was not in context of any video. I said truth is truth not the video is truth ffs read backPost edited by lastexitlondon onbrixton 93
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lastexitlondon said:Go Beavers said:lastexitlondon said:Well all anyone says here is an opinion. As nobody here is a medical professional and truth is truth
What's your point I don't understand. Im happy to read anything and learn.
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HughFreakingDillon said:Go Beavers said:lastexitlondon said:Go Beavers said:lastexitlondon said:Well all anyone says here is an opinion. As nobody here is a medical professional and truth is truth
What's your point I don't understand. Im happy to read anything and learn.
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lastexitlondon said:What you have misread is me saying I didn't think it mattered who the interviewer was because if his style was not to people's taste( as I have no idea who the guy is apart from I recently saw he was the guy inter Putin.) I never once said what was in the video was truth you are very wrong
”Tucker is a menace”
“Truth is truth regardless”
”which is..”
“I guess what the doctors say and what the actual information is. Does it matter the name of the interviewer?”
This reads like you said what’s in the video is true. I don’t have a need to keep going on this, but it’s a common thing on the internet for people to get too far over the tips of their skis, and instead of just owning it, they try to say they didn’t say what they really said.0 -
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lastexitlondon said:What you have misread is me saying I didn't think it mattered who the interviewer was because if his style was not to people's taste( as I have no idea who the guy is apart from I recently saw he was the guy interview Putin.) I never once said what was in the video was truth you are very wrong . It was not in context of any video. I said truth is truth not the video is truth ffs read back
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Ahh screw it. Time will answer all of these questions. Anybody wanna meet up in the lounge for a drink or whatever?
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HughFreakingDillon said:23scidoo said:What is the concrete scientific evidence for you??..because there are doctors and scientists out there who are yelling..
SOMETHING HAPPENING HERE!!..
if those findings show that it's the vaccine causing it, I'll 100% believe it.
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mrussel1 said:lastexitlondon said:HughFreakingDillon said:you guys are running way too far with this particular mischaracterization of what rob said.
A Zombie apocalypse is interesting. I wouldn't think to have a serious debate about it.Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
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brianlux said:There is a ton of hyperbole and drama coming out of the anti-vax camp and most of that should just be ignored. Any rational person understands the value of good science and solid evidence.
But on the other hand, I think there is very good cause to suggest that COVID vaccinations need to be studied very closely and that simply assuming nothing is wrong with them is also not a wise approach. Because they are so new and were produced so rapidly, we don't know what the long term affects of these vaccines are. But say something like that, and immediately a lot of people will assume you are a conspiracy laden anti-vaxer. That's what happened with RFK Jr and yet if you listen to some of his interviews on the topic, you'll see he is not a conspiracy anti-vaxer. No, he's like me, suggesting that more research needs to be done.I will admit, my own hesitation to be skeptical of the latest COVID vaccinations stems from my current rapid decline in health that start immediately with the last vaccination I got in October 2023. I do KNOW that the vaccination was the cause, but it is suspect.
All I'm saying is, lets stop being so one sided here. It's like everything else these days- all or nothing, black and white, my side or your side. Jesus, division seems to define our very society these days. That's neither wise nor helpful.Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
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Merkin Baller said:lastexitlondon said:Go Beavers said:lastexitlondon said:Well all anyone says here is an opinion. As nobody here is a medical professional and truth is truth
What's your point I don't understand. Im happy to read anything and learn.
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If it is actually the case that the vaccine causes/has caused widespread health issues, then I just cannot see that governments or big pharma would ever admit it.
I don't know anyone who received the covid vaccine and has developed heart complications (or anything else for that matter), so I have no cause to claim there is a conspiracy at play. I just cannot see them putting their hands up and admitting it. The backlash (social and financial) would be beyond measure.0 -
23scidoo said:HughFreakingDillon said:23scidoo said:What is the concrete scientific evidence for you??..because there are doctors and scientists out there who are yelling..
SOMETHING HAPPENING HERE!!..
if those findings show that it's the vaccine causing it, I'll 100% believe it.
very nice..
again, if those outliers can use the normal outlets for proving their theories, then have at it.
"something happening here" is not the preferred scientific approach.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
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