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Halifax2TheMax said:
As a fellow poster stated, “it’s very entertaining.” Or words to that effect. For me, it’s taken the place of Comedy Central, seeing how I don’t have cable.mrussel1 said:
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.23scidoo said:
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..mrussel1 said:
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?23scidoo said:
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..mrussel1 said:
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?23scidoo said:
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..static111 said:
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?23scidoo said:
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.And indeed this thread has become a joke. If we want to maintains any semblance of integrity on AMT, threads like this one should be locked and sealed tightly in a chest and buried in the ground... as long as it doesn't leak and pollute the water table.
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brianlux said:Halifax2TheMax said:
As a fellow poster stated, “it’s very entertaining.” Or words to that effect. For me, it’s taken the place of Comedy Central, seeing how I don’t have cable.mrussel1 said:
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.23scidoo said:
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..mrussel1 said:
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?23scidoo said:
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..mrussel1 said:
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?23scidoo said:
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..static111 said:
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?23scidoo said:
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.And indeed this thread has become a joke. If we want to maintains any semblance of integrity on AMT, threads like this one should be locked and sealed tightly in a chest and buried in the ground... as long as it doesn't leak and pollute the water table.
and then what Brian? Begin another? Once found out to be what they appear, why continue to engage? What is the point of that? I direct that to myself too.
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U.S. Food and Drug Administration United States government Robert Califf Barack Obama Medication COVID-19 MisinformationFDA’s own reputation could be restraining its misinfo fightBy MATTHEW PERRONEToday
WASHINGTON (AP) — The government agency responsible for tracking down contaminated peanut butter and defective pacemakers is taking on a new health hazard: online misinformation.
It’s an unlikely role for the Food and Drug Administration, a sprawling, century-old bureaucracy that for decades directed most its communications toward doctors and corporations.
But FDA Commissioner Dr. Robert Califf has spent the last year warning that growing “distortions and half-truths” surrounding vaccines and other medical products are now “a leading cause of death in America.”
“Almost no one should be dying of COVID in the U.S. today,” Califf told The Associated Press, noting the government's distribution of free vaccines and antiviral medications. “People who are denying themselves that opportunity are dying because they're misinformed.”
Califf, who first led the agency under President Barack Obama, said the FDA could once rely on a few communication channels to reach Americans.
“We’re now in a 24/7 sea of information without a user guide for people out there in society," Califf said. "So this requires us to change the way we communicate.”
The FDA's answer? Short YouTube videos, long Twitter threads and other online postings debunking medical misinformation, including bogus COVID-19 remedies like ivermectin, the anti-parasite drug intended for farm animals. “Hold your horses y'all. Ivermectin may be trending, but it still isn't authorized or approved to treat COVID-19” the FDA told its 500,000 Twitter followers in April.
On Instagram, FDA memes referencing Scooby-Doo and SpongeBob urge Americans to get boosted and ignore misinformation, alongside staid agency postings about the arrival of National Handwashing Awareness Week.
The AP asked more than a half-dozen health communication experts about the FDA's fledgling effort. They said it mostly reflects the latest science on combating misinformation, but they also questioned whether it’s reaching enough people to have an impact — and whether separate FDA controversies are undercutting the agency's credibility.
“The question I start with is, ‘Are you a trusted messenger or not?'” said Dr. Seema Yasmin, a Stanford University professor who studies medical misinformation and trains health officials in responding to it. “In the context of FDA, we can highlight multiple incidents which have damaged the credibility of the agency and deepened distrust of its scientific decisions."
In the last two years the FDA has come under fire for its controversial approval of an unproven Alzheimer’s drug as well as its delayed response to a contaminated baby formula plant, which contributed to a national supply shortage.
Meanwhile, the agency’s approach to booster vaccinations has been criticized by some of its top vaccine scientists and advisers.
“It’s not fair, but it doesn’t take too many negative stories to unravel the public’s trust,” said Georgetown University’s Leticia Bode, who studies political communication and misinformation.
About a quarter of Americans said they have “a lot” of trust in the FDA's handling of COVID-19, according to a survey conducted last year by University of Pennsylvania researchers, while less than half said they have “some trust.”
"The FDA's word is still one of the most highly regarded pieces of information people want to see,” said Califf, who was confirmed to his second stint leading the FDA last February.
As commissioner he is trying to tackle a host of issues, including restructuring the agency’s food safety program and more aggressively deploying FDA scientists to explain vaccine decisions in the media.
The array of challenges before the FDA raises questions about the new focus on misinformation. And Califf acknowledges the limits of what his agency can accomplish.
“Anyone who thinks the government’s going to solve this problem alone is deluding themselves," he said. “We need a vast network of knowledgeable people who devote part of their day to combating misinformation.”
Georgetown's Bode said the agency is “moving in the right direction,” on misinformation, particularly its “Just a Minute” series of factchecking videos, which feature FDA’s vaccine chief Dr. Peter Marks succinctly addressing a single COVID-19 myth or topic.
But how many people are seeing them?
“FDA’s YouTube videos have a minuscule audience,” said Brandon Nyhan, who studies medical misinformation at Dartmouth College. The people watching FDA videos ”are not the people we typically think about when we think about misinformation.”
Research by Nyhan and his colleagues suggests that fact-checking COVID-19 myths briefly dispels false beliefs, but the effects are “ephemeral.” Nyhan and other researchers noted the most trusted medical information source for most Americans is their doctor, not the government.
Even if the audience for FDA’s work is small, experts in online analytics say it may be having a bigger impact.
An FDA page dubbed “Rumor Control” debunks a long list of false claims about vaccines, such as that they contain pesticides. A Google search for “vaccines” and “pesticides” brings up the FDA’s response as a top result, because the search engine prioritizes credible websites.
“Because the FDA puts that information on its website, it will actually crowd out the misinformation from the top 10 or 20 Google results,” said David Lazer, a political and computer scientist at Northeastern University.
Perhaps the most promising approach to fighting misinformation is also the toughest to execute: introduce people to emerging misinformation and explain why it’s false before they encounter it elsewhere.
That technique, called “pre-bunking," presents challenges for large government agencies.
“Is the FDA nimble enough to have a detection system for misinformation and then quickly put out pre-bunking information within hours or days?” Lazer asked.
Califf said the FDA tracks new misinformation trends online and quickly decides whether — and when — to intervene.
“Sometimes calling attention to an issue can make it worse,” he notes.
Other communication challenges are baked into how the FDA operates. For instance, the agency consults an independent panel of vaccine specialists on major decisions about COVID-19 shots, considered a key step in fostering trust in the process.
But some of those experts have disagreed on who should receive COVID-19 vaccine boosters or how strong the evidence is for their use, particularly among younger people.
The FDA then largely relies on news media to translate those debates and its final decisions, which are often laden with scientific jargon.
The result has been “utter confusion,” about the latest round of COVID-19 boosters, says Lawrence Gostin, a public health specialist at Georgetown.
“If you’re trying to counteract misinformation on social media your first job is to clarify, simplify and explain things in an understandable way to the lay public,” said Gostin. “I don’t think anyone could say that FDA has done a good job with that.”
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mickeyrat said:brianlux said:Halifax2TheMax said:
As a fellow poster stated, “it’s very entertaining.” Or words to that effect. For me, it’s taken the place of Comedy Central, seeing how I don’t have cable.mrussel1 said:
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.23scidoo said:
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..mrussel1 said:
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?23scidoo said:
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..mrussel1 said:
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?23scidoo said:
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..static111 said:
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?23scidoo said:
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.And indeed this thread has become a joke. If we want to maintains any semblance of integrity on AMT, threads like this one should be locked and sealed tightly in a chest and buried in the ground... as long as it doesn't leak and pollute the water table.
and then what Brian? Begin another? Once found out to be what they appear, why continue to engage? What is the point of that? I direct that to myself too.
Yeah, bud, I hear you. I thought the same. Though my post was purposefully a bit hyperbolic, what I really would like most is to have a reasonable conversation here. I can handle just fine the fact that some of us have differing views. It's the obvious trolling and/or bating b.s. that gets old. That kind of stuff has been dragging this thread down for a good while now. It would be so much more cool to see this be a more rational discussion rather than just lobbing turds all over the place.
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Doctors don't "make judgement calls". They look at their patient diagnosis and current condition. And then they look at the statistics behind potential treatments for that patient's condition, and go with the best odds/most likely to succeed scenario. Get over yourself. Maybe if you lost the ego and learned to talk to people with a little more respect, particularly those who disagree with you, as many threads around here wouldn't get locked.mrussel1 said:
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.23scidoo said:
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..mrussel1 said:
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?23scidoo said:
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..mrussel1 said:
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?23scidoo said:
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..static111 said:
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?23scidoo said:
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
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I could have sworn I just heard Kat say, "Talk about the subject, not each other."Never mind, it's just me hearing voices again.
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What a joke. What you described is a judgment call. It's using education, experience and data to make a decision. Sorry that you think "judgment" is synonymous with "guessing", but it's not my fault that you don't understand the difference. And go find a thread that I was responsible for closing. I've never been banned, suspended or warned.seanwon said:
Doctors don't "make judgement calls". They look at their patient diagnosis and current condition. And then they look at the statistics behind potential treatments for that patient's condition, and go with the best odds/most likely to succeed scenario. Get over yourself. Maybe if you lost the ego and learned to talk to people with a little more respect, particularly those who disagree with you, as many threads around here wouldn't get locked.mrussel1 said: what a home
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.23scidoo said:
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..mrussel1 said:
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?23scidoo said:
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..mrussel1 said:
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?23scidoo said:
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..static111 said:
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?23scidoo said:
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
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I'd ban you for being right and just because, lol.mrussel1 said:
What a joke. What you described is a judgment call. It's using education, experience and data to make a decision. Sorry that you think "judgment" is synonymous with "guessing", but it's not my fault that you don't understand the difference. And go find a thread that I was responsible for closing. I've never been banned, suspended or warned.seanwon said:
Doctors don't "make judgement calls". They look at their patient diagnosis and current condition. And then they look at the statistics behind potential treatments for that patient's condition, and go with the best odds/most likely to succeed scenario. Get over yourself. Maybe if you lost the ego and learned to talk to people with a little more respect, particularly those who disagree with you, as many threads around here wouldn't get locked.mrussel1 said: what a home
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.23scidoo said:
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..mrussel1 said:
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?23scidoo said:
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..mrussel1 said:
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?23scidoo said:
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..static111 said:
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?23scidoo said:
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
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Ignore it. If the subject interests you then discuss it. Don't respond to obvious trolling. And definitely don't let it bother you...these trolls or anyone you disagree with aren't going to do donuts in your yard or anything.brianlux said:mickeyrat said:brianlux said:Halifax2TheMax said:
As a fellow poster stated, “it’s very entertaining.” Or words to that effect. For me, it’s taken the place of Comedy Central, seeing how I don’t have cable.mrussel1 said:
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.23scidoo said:
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..mrussel1 said:
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?23scidoo said:
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..mrussel1 said:
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?23scidoo said:
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..static111 said:
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?23scidoo said:
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.And indeed this thread has become a joke. If we want to maintains any semblance of integrity on AMT, threads like this one should be locked and sealed tightly in a chest and buried in the ground... as long as it doesn't leak and pollute the water table.
and then what Brian? Begin another? Once found out to be what they appear, why continue to engage? What is the point of that? I direct that to myself too.
Yeah, bud, I hear you. I thought the same. Though my post was purposefully a bit hyperbolic, what I really would like most is to have a reasonable conversation here. I can handle just fine the fact that some of us have differing views. It's the obvious trolling and/or bating b.s. that gets old. That kind of stuff has been dragging this thread down for a good while now. It would be so much more cool to see this be a more rational discussion rather than just lobbing turds all over the place.
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What you just described sounds like a professional making a judgement call to me.seanwon said:
Doctors don't "make judgement calls". They look at their patient diagnosis and current condition. And then they look at the statistics behind potential treatments for that patient's condition, and go with the best odds/most likely to succeed scenario. Get over yourself. Maybe if you lost the ego and learned to talk to people with a little more respect, particularly those who disagree with you, as many threads around here wouldn't get locked.mrussel1 said:
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.23scidoo said:
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..mrussel1 said:
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?23scidoo said:
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..mrussel1 said:
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?23scidoo said:
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..static111 said:
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?23scidoo said:
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.Scio me nihil scire
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lolseanwon said:
Doctors don't "make judgement calls". They look at their patient diagnosis and current condition. And then they look at the statistics behind potential treatments for that patient's condition, and go with the best odds/most likely to succeed scenario. Get over yourself. Maybe if you lost the ego and learned to talk to people with a little more respect, particularly those who disagree with you, as many threads around here wouldn't get locked.mrussel1 said:
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.23scidoo said:
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..mrussel1 said:
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?23scidoo said:
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..mrussel1 said:
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?23scidoo said:
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..static111 said:
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?23scidoo said:
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.0 -
Definitions of judgment that I could find:seanwon said:
Doctors don't "make judgement calls". They look at their patient diagnosis and current condition. And then they look at the statistics behind potential treatments for that patient's condition, and go with the best odds/most likely to succeed scenario. Get over yourself. Maybe if you lost the ego and learned to talk to people with a little more respect, particularly those who disagree with you, as many threads around here wouldn't get locked.mrussel1 said:
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.23scidoo said:
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..mrussel1 said:
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?23scidoo said:
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..mrussel1 said:
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?23scidoo said:
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..static111 said:
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?23scidoo said:
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
"the ability to make considered decisions or come to sensible conclusions" - Oxford Dictionary
"the process of forming an opinion or evaluation by discerning and comparing" - Merriam-Webster
"the ability to form valuable opinions and make good decisions" - Cambridge Dictionary
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anyone who disagree with you is a joke, right??..mrussel1 said:
What a joke. What you described is a judgment call. It's using education, experience and data to make a decision. Sorry that you think "judgment" is synonymous with "guessing", but it's not my fault that you don't understand the difference. And go find a thread that I was responsible for closing. I've never been banned, suspended or warned.seanwon said:
Doctors don't "make judgement calls". They look at their patient diagnosis and current condition. And then they look at the statistics behind potential treatments for that patient's condition, and go with the best odds/most likely to succeed scenario. Get over yourself. Maybe if you lost the ego and learned to talk to people with a little more respect, particularly those who disagree with you, as many threads around here wouldn't get locked.mrussel1 said: what a home
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.23scidoo said:
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..mrussel1 said:
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?23scidoo said:
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..mrussel1 said:
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?23scidoo said:
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..static111 said:
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?23scidoo said:
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
who is the joke here i guess..Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
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Still you find someome to speak italians??..
waiting..Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
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their culture is visible every day..seanwon said:
Doctors don't "make judgement calls". They look at their patient diagnosis and current condition. And then they look at the statistics behind potential treatments for that patient's condition, and go with the best odds/most likely to succeed scenario. Get over yourself. Maybe if you lost the ego and learned to talk to people with a little more respect, particularly those who disagree with you, as many threads around here wouldn't get locked.mrussel1 said:
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.23scidoo said:
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..mrussel1 said:
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?23scidoo said:
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..mrussel1 said:
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?23scidoo said:
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..static111 said:
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?23scidoo said:
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..0 -
The joke is stating that doctors don't make judgment calls, and then describing what doctors do in the very definition of a judgment call.23scidoo said:
anyone who disagree with you is a joke, right??..mrussel1 said:
What a joke. What you described is a judgment call. It's using education, experience and data to make a decision. Sorry that you think "judgment" is synonymous with "guessing", but it's not my fault that you don't understand the difference. And go find a thread that I was responsible for closing. I've never been banned, suspended or warned.seanwon said:
Doctors don't "make judgement calls". They look at their patient diagnosis and current condition. And then they look at the statistics behind potential treatments for that patient's condition, and go with the best odds/most likely to succeed scenario. Get over yourself. Maybe if you lost the ego and learned to talk to people with a little more respect, particularly those who disagree with you, as many threads around here wouldn't get locked.mrussel1 said: what a home
Ugh. You think doctors follow some Visio diagram that tells them the path to follow and precisely the treatment plan and medication? Do you think this is the Soviet Union or something? Doctors make judgment calls every day about how aggressive to treat an issue, which combinations of medications, to operate or not.23scidoo said:
''Doctors make judgment calls every single day''..That is the most foolish thing I've read..mrussel1 said:
That is the most foolish thing I've read. Doctors make judgment calls every single day. Maybe this is your issue. Do you live in some binary world where the decisions are black and white?23scidoo said:
a scientist or doctor does not recommend any treatment if he is not sure..mrussel1 said:
If you're a public health official, and you are seeing the deaths, setting the carnage, do you error on the side that over protects or under?23scidoo said:
My question all this time is this..if they didn't knew for sure, why all this shit??.passporst, people lose their jobs, doctors and scientists are ιn the margin, ''no one will be safe until will be vaxxinared''..thats my problem my friend..for a man made virus( until now they don't tell us that), they promote us vaccines of questionable quality..static111 said:
Dude I am a person who is slightly skeptical of the covid vaccines and very cautious about the pharmaceutical industry in general. I do however like full data from multiple sources. This video is a bunch of headlines only, and the laughable thing is that if you slow the video down to look at the headlines you can see the efficacy waning over time from 2020 to 2022 as the virus was mutating and variants were emerging. It also appears the gotcha vid is addressing only the ability to prevent infection, not the protection from severe outcomes. I'm not sure what the point of that video is, to let us know that as the virus mutated that the vaccine was less effective at preventing transmission? Haven't we known this, at least those of us who have been looking at the data from the get go, for a couple years now?23scidoo said:
I'm just not sure what the point this video is trying to make. Also Tik Tok is bull shit and is horrible for your brain.
You are going from foolish to embarrassingly misinformed. No wonder you buy into all of this conspiracy bullshit that is so easy to pick apart with basic critical thinking skills.
who is the joke here i guess..
And no, did you really expect that I was going to seek out someone that speaks Italian to translate a doc? I have a job you know.0 -
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This is behind a paywall, but for reference, this wasn't written by a doctor, researcher or immunologist. It's an opinion piece. So any reading should be done with the lens from which his pov originates.Indifference said:
Bret Louis Stephens is an American conservative journalist, editor, and columnist. He began working as an opinion columnist for The New York Times in April 2017 and as a senior contributor to NBC News in June 2017
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mrussel1 said:
This is behind a paywall, but for reference, this wasn't written by a doctor, researcher or immunologist. It's an opinion piece. So any reading should be done with the lens from which his pov originates.Indifference said:
Bret Louis Stephens is an American conservative journalist, editor, and columnist. He began working as an opinion columnist for The New York Times in April 2017 and as a senior contributor to NBC News in June 2017gift article of the above link....The Mask Mandates Did Nothing. Will Any Lessons Be Learned? https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/21/opinion/do-mask-mandates-work.html?unlocked_article_code=cu85lxka8GyE8utAHcsstFkgTGjBN8eAZth3EKFRczE03eJkyjDDGI_jKlqCNdQHYnoP9DtN5TPsoGBmSb4dw-lDRInLq1TDY-VmeRbFvA6FAnVd6VGjoZgN0USASAlDFzmzPjNQi8-koB7jenhK5MAGaf7l8ifJ86FJ8ozDOuGb4ybpEjNYA2ciBPcca9ZPyLb1Fv2Kv9JWqXFHMxAe7Z2vypbKo8klOGxy2WYypuDZ2qBmjWwLiYKtSovCNpqfPljRHE3vS8oM5Mt5xG2BCGzbW2gZR_y-WNqkFXSwvI2DCsZ6-IFi3cnqgKBSGAHmvWVxUfUnjtNK4bijAsrn_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Can't the argument still be made that the mask mandates didn't work because they weren't followed closely enough?
Of course it would work if done correctly. It just seems so elementary to me I don't understand why it creates such an argument.
And this Bret Stephens guy is the one that threw a fit and quit Twitter for awhile because someone called him a "bedbug."Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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