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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,884
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    This is because of your media consumption.  Fox news and the echo chamber positioned it as such,  and took pains to contrast NY from FL. If a state like Virginia didn't fit that narrative,  then why would they discuss it?  Yes,  a bunch of people moved to Florida,  but did they all do that to avoid masks? Doubtful.  There are other reasons such as early retirement (you can easily find data that shows how many people left the workforce in the pandemic and did not return), no state taxes,  the ability to WFH so why not,  etc. 

    What I don't really understand is why this debate continues? We are post pandemic and it's devolved to something similar to Influenza.  And if you study the Influenza pandemic of 1918, you can see the clear correlations of the two situations. 
    it goes on because some people can't admit they've been fooled..i get it, it's hard to fathom..
    So no one died? Did we get that wrong?
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,384
    I’m still waiting for how many is too many. 
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  • AW124797
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I’m still waiting for how many is too many. 
    6th booster is too many.
  • AW124797
    AW124797 Posts: 762
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    This is because of your media consumption.  Fox news and the echo chamber positioned it as such,  and took pains to contrast NY from FL. If a state like Virginia didn't fit that narrative,  then why would they discuss it?  Yes,  a bunch of people moved to Florida,  but did they all do that to avoid masks? Doubtful.  There are other reasons such as early retirement (you can easily find data that shows how many people left the workforce in the pandemic and did not return), no state taxes,  the ability to WFH so why not,  etc. 

    What I don't really understand is why this debate continues? We are post pandemic and it's devolved to something similar to Influenza.  And if you study the Influenza pandemic of 1918, you can see the clear correlations of the two situations. 
    Who wouldn't politicize it? This makes him look like a champion:

  • AW124797
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    This is because of your media consumption.  Fox news and the echo chamber positioned it as such,  and took pains to contrast NY from FL. If a state like Virginia didn't fit that narrative,  then why would they discuss it?  Yes,  a bunch of people moved to Florida,  but did they all do that to avoid masks? Doubtful.  There are other reasons such as early retirement (you can easily find data that shows how many people left the workforce in the pandemic and did not return), no state taxes,  the ability to WFH so why not,  etc. 

    What I don't really understand is why this debate continues? We are post pandemic and it's devolved to something similar to Influenza.  And if you study the Influenza pandemic of 1918, you can see the clear correlations of the two situations. 
    are we really post pandemic, though? a lot of researchers and medical professionals disagree with that assessment. 
    Evidently, most from this thread will never get to post pandemic.
  • AW124797
    AW124797 Posts: 762
    edited January 2023
    Gern Blansten said:
    AW124797 said:
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    I just can't believe that you think people moved to FL because of masks. People move to FL for many reasons...some people don't like it and move back. I've seen that a lot with retirees. 
    Some from Long Island moved after covid vaccine mandates were imposed in universities and 15 month long mask mandates in schools. Of course, taxes, weather, etc are top of that list. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,537
    AW124797 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    This is because of your media consumption.  Fox news and the echo chamber positioned it as such,  and took pains to contrast NY from FL. If a state like Virginia didn't fit that narrative,  then why would they discuss it?  Yes,  a bunch of people moved to Florida,  but did they all do that to avoid masks? Doubtful.  There are other reasons such as early retirement (you can easily find data that shows how many people left the workforce in the pandemic and did not return), no state taxes,  the ability to WFH so why not,  etc. 

    What I don't really understand is why this debate continues? We are post pandemic and it's devolved to something similar to Influenza.  And if you study the Influenza pandemic of 1918, you can see the clear correlations of the two situations. 
    are we really post pandemic, though? a lot of researchers and medical professionals disagree with that assessment. 
    Evidently, most from this thread will never get to post pandemic.
    I think "most in this thread" will get to post pandemic when we actually get to post pandemic. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,884
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    This is because of your media consumption.  Fox news and the echo chamber positioned it as such,  and took pains to contrast NY from FL. If a state like Virginia didn't fit that narrative,  then why would they discuss it?  Yes,  a bunch of people moved to Florida,  but did they all do that to avoid masks? Doubtful.  There are other reasons such as early retirement (you can easily find data that shows how many people left the workforce in the pandemic and did not return), no state taxes,  the ability to WFH so why not,  etc. 

    What I don't really understand is why this debate continues? We are post pandemic and it's devolved to something similar to Influenza.  And if you study the Influenza pandemic of 1918, you can see the clear correlations of the two situations. 
    Who wouldn't politicize it? This makes him look like a champion:

    Only to the easily influenced. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    AW124797 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I’m still waiting for how many is too many. 
    6th booster is too many.
    I guess 21 flu shots is waaaay too many then?
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  • lastexitlondon
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    The  flu shot  is not an mrna. 


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  • mrussel1
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    AW124797 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    This is because of your media consumption.  Fox news and the echo chamber positioned it as such,  and took pains to contrast NY from FL. If a state like Virginia didn't fit that narrative,  then why would they discuss it?  Yes,  a bunch of people moved to Florida,  but did they all do that to avoid masks? Doubtful.  There are other reasons such as early retirement (you can easily find data that shows how many people left the workforce in the pandemic and did not return), no state taxes,  the ability to WFH so why not,  etc. 

    What I don't really understand is why this debate continues? We are post pandemic and it's devolved to something similar to Influenza.  And if you study the Influenza pandemic of 1918, you can see the clear correlations of the two situations. 
    are we really post pandemic, though? a lot of researchers and medical professionals disagree with that assessment. 
    Evidently, most from this thread will never get to post pandemic.
    I think "most in this thread" will get to post pandemic when we actually get to post pandemic. 
    I consider us post pandemic.  Whether every scientist or citizen believes it,  I think it's clear that the world has moved on.  People fly without masks,  go to events,  eat in restaurants,  etc. If the definition that there are no deaths or cases,  then we'll never be post pandemic.  Further,  we are still in the Influenza pandemic, 105 years later.  I don't think COVID will ever be eradicated in full. 

    Now maybe China is endemic right now,  as they have a breakout. 
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,915
    The problem is mrna is a code and the  body keeps producing the spike protien on all cells even where its not needed and thats where it causes an issue


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  • lastexitlondon
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    Most people here have had covid. Natural immunity  is by far the  best thing.  Why anyone who has had covid would keep getting these  boosters is beyond me.


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  • mrussel1
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    lastexitlondon said:
    Most people here have had covid. Natural immunity  is by far the  best thing.  Why anyone who has had covid would keep getting these  boosters is beyond me.
    Natural immunity is not forevermore,  and if you are old or have certain conditions,  then it makes perfect sense to get boosters every year.  The same thing for annual Influenza. 
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,915
    edited January 2023
    mrussel1 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Most people here have had covid. Natural immunity  is by far the  best thing.  Why anyone who has had covid would keep getting these  boosters is beyond me.
    Natural immunity is not forevermore,  and if you are old or have certain conditions,  then it makes perfect sense to get boosters every year.  The same thing for annual Influenza. 
    Its not the same as flu. This is an mrna genetically modified vaccine. The flu vaccine not. Omicron changed the pandemic completely. 


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  • lastexitlondon
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    Also i understand  elderly but they want to give this to kids at zero risk of covid. 6 months old they are trying. Why?


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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    AW124797 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent. 
    This is because of your media consumption.  Fox news and the echo chamber positioned it as such,  and took pains to contrast NY from FL. If a state like Virginia didn't fit that narrative,  then why would they discuss it?  Yes,  a bunch of people moved to Florida,  but did they all do that to avoid masks? Doubtful.  There are other reasons such as early retirement (you can easily find data that shows how many people left the workforce in the pandemic and did not return), no state taxes,  the ability to WFH so why not,  etc. 

    What I don't really understand is why this debate continues? We are post pandemic and it's devolved to something similar to Influenza.  And if you study the Influenza pandemic of 1918, you can see the clear correlations of the two situations. 
    are we really post pandemic, though? a lot of researchers and medical professionals disagree with that assessment. 
    Evidently, most from this thread will never get to post pandemic.
    I think "most in this thread" will get to post pandemic when we actually get to post pandemic. 
    I consider us post pandemic.  Whether every scientist or citizen believes it,  I think it's clear that the world has moved on.  People fly without masks,  go to events,  eat in restaurants,  etc. If the definition that there are no deaths or cases,  then we'll never be post pandemic.  Further,  we are still in the Influenza pandemic, 105 years later.  I don't think COVID will ever be eradicated in full. 

    Now maybe China is endemic right now,  as they have a breakout. 
    the world moving on is the not the benchmark used whether a sickness has become endemic or not yet. the flu isn't pandemic still; it's endemic, which is defined as spreading at an acceptable/expected level of transmission. 
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  • mrussel1
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    lastexitlondon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Most people here have had covid. Natural immunity  is by far the  best thing.  Why anyone who has had covid would keep getting these  boosters is beyond me.
    Natural immunity is not forevermore,  and if you are old or have certain conditions,  then it makes perfect sense to get boosters every year.  The same thing for annual Influenza. 
    Its not the same as flu. This is an mrna genetically modified vaccine. The flu vaccine not. Omicron changed the pandemic completely. 
    What the difference as it relates to immunity after an infection or after a vaccine? 

    I'm not arguing that the vaccine is the same,  but you asked why get the booster? And whether it's MRNA or not,  the reason for an at risk person to get a vaccine is for the same reason as you get an annual Influenza shot. 
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,915
    Covid is endemic now. Here  in uk 100% it is nobody cares


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  • lastexitlondon
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    mrussel1 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Most people here have had covid. Natural immunity  is by far the  best thing.  Why anyone who has had covid would keep getting these  boosters is beyond me.
    Natural immunity is not forevermore,  and if you are old or have certain conditions,  then it makes perfect sense to get boosters every year.  The same thing for annual Influenza. 
    Its not the same as flu. This is an mrna genetically modified vaccine. The flu vaccine not. Omicron changed the pandemic completely. 
    What the difference as it relates to immunity after an infection or after a vaccine? 

    I'm not arguing that the vaccine is the same,  but you asked why get the booster? And whether it's MRNA or not,  the reason for an at risk person to get a vaccine is for the same reason as you get an annual Influenza shot. 
    At risk person. All these kids and young  people are at zero risk from omicron . Are all of the people on here at risk? Maybe a few have underlying conditions but people are giving it to their  kids. 


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