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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,982
    lastexitlondon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Most people here have had covid. Natural immunity  is by far the  best thing.  Why anyone who has had covid would keep getting these  boosters is beyond me.
    Natural immunity is not forevermore,  and if you are old or have certain conditions,  then it makes perfect sense to get boosters every year.  The same thing for annual Influenza. 
    Its not the same as flu. This is an mrna genetically modified vaccine. The flu vaccine not. Omicron changed the pandemic completely. 
    What the difference as it relates to immunity after an infection or after a vaccine? 

    I'm not arguing that the vaccine is the same,  but you asked why get the booster? And whether it's MRNA or not,  the reason for an at risk person to get a vaccine is for the same reason as you get an annual Influenza shot. 
    At risk person. All these kids and young  people are at zero risk from omicron . Are all of the people on here at risk? Maybe a few have underlying conditions but people are giving it to their  kids. 
    If my kid gets a vaccine,  why the fuck do you care? You have the freedom to not,  and I have the freedom to do so.  
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,069
    edited January 2023
    Why do i care. Of course i care if its not necessary kids are not at risk from omicron . I dont like the  idea of young people being put in danger without looking at what could be a problem with the  mrna vaccine . Excess  deaths are up in every country  in all age groups it needs looking into  . In my opinion.  Its ok to care . I never  once said you can't  do what you want. Thats not whats being discussed.  We will all do as we think  thats not in question 
    Post edited by lastexitlondon on


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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,982
    lastexitlondon said:
    Why do i care. Of course i care if its not necessary kids are not at risk from omicron . I dont like the  idea of young people being put in danger without looking at what could be a problem with the  mrna vaccine . Excess  deaths are up in every country  in all age groups it needs looking into  . In my opinion.  Its ok to care 
    Parents who don't do homework with their kids,  or feed them healthy foods,  or get them to exercise,  these are all things that I wish parents did more of, because these are long term risks to a child's healthy future.  And they bother me far more than getting an unnecessary vaccine. 
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,069
    mrussel1 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Why do i care. Of course i care if its not necessary kids are not at risk from omicron . I dont like the  idea of young people being put in danger without looking at what could be a problem with the  mrna vaccine . Excess  deaths are up in every country  in all age groups it needs looking into  . In my opinion.  Its ok to care 
    Parents who don't do homework with their kids,  or feed them healthy foods,  or get them to exercise,  these are all things that I wish parents did more of, because these are long term risks to a child's healthy future.  And they bother me far more than getting an unnecessary vaccine. 
    Its a good job i and i would  think you do all those things.


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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    lastexitlondon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Most people here have had covid. Natural immunity  is by far the  best thing.  Why anyone who has had covid would keep getting these  boosters is beyond me.
    Natural immunity is not forevermore,  and if you are old or have certain conditions,  then it makes perfect sense to get boosters every year.  The same thing for annual Influenza. 
    Its not the same as flu. This is an mrna genetically modified vaccine. The flu vaccine not. Omicron changed the pandemic completely. 
    What the difference as it relates to immunity after an infection or after a vaccine? 

    I'm not arguing that the vaccine is the same,  but you asked why get the booster? And whether it's MRNA or not,  the reason for an at risk person to get a vaccine is for the same reason as you get an annual Influenza shot. 
    At risk person. All these kids and young  people are at zero risk from omicron . Are all of the people on here at risk? Maybe a few have underlying conditions but people are giving it to their  kids. 

    You really need to expand your sources of information about COVID. 

    Youtube is steering you wrong. 


    https://www.bostonherald.com/2022/01/04/boston-childrens-hospital-reporting-jump-in-coronavirus-patients-creating-more-isolation-rooms-amid-omicron-wave/

    https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/19569

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-omicron-is-putting-more-kids-in-the-hospital/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/03/16/omicron-young-children-hospitalization/

    https://www.npr.org/2022/01/03/1069837662/as-the-omicron-variant-spreads-the-number-of-children-hospitalized-increases
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,102
    lastexitlondon said:
    Covid is endemic now. Here  in uk 100% it is nobody cares
    that's not what endemic means. 
    Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer



  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,069
    I read what it would let me. 7 per 100.000 hospitalised. .


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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,069
    edited January 2023
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Covid is endemic now. Here  in uk 100% it is nobody cares
    that's not what endemic means. 
    I understand  what it means. 
    1. 1.
      (of a disease) regularly occurring within an area or community.
      "areas where malaria is endemic"

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,802
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    AW124797 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I’m still waiting for how many is too many. 
    6th booster is too many.
    I guess 21 flu shots is waaaay too many then?

    Exactly what I was thinking! 
    We must have millions of mind control nanobots running though our bloodstreams by now.  They're out to get us!  Whaaaaaaaa!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    lastexitlondon said:
    I read what it would let me. 7 per 100.000 hospitalised. .
    There's more than just that one link. Keep reading. 


    More kids were hospitalized from Omicron than Delta, and Omicron presented unique challenges for children. 

    Your claim of Omicron posing zero risk to children and adolescents is fabricated nonsense that you're using to support your fear of the MRNA vaccine.  
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,689
    lastexitlondon said:
    Most people here have had covid. Natural immunity  is by far the  best thing.  Why anyone who has had covid would keep getting these  boosters is beyond me.
    That because your information sources are biased. 
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,689
    lastexitlondon said:
    The problem is mrna is a code and the  body keeps producing the spike protien on all cells even where its not needed and thats where it causes an issue
    Source?
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,069
    Go Beavers said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Most people here have had covid. Natural immunity  is by far the  best thing.  Why anyone who has had covid would keep getting these  boosters is beyond me.
    That because your information sources are biased. 
    Ok mate. I have no bias


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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,069
    Go Beavers said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    The problem is mrna is a code and the  body keeps producing the spike protien on all cells even where its not needed and thats where it causes an issue
    Source?
    My source was the  top Australian immunologist in the video i posted. He has been one 50 years.


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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    lastexitlondon said:
    Most people here have had covid. Natural immunity  is by far the  best thing.  Why anyone who has had covid would keep getting these  boosters is beyond me.
    I've heard this claim made before, but everything I'm seeing suggests the opposite... that vaccines offer better and longer immunity than Immunity from infection. 

    Have you read studies that suggest natural immunity is better than immunity from the vaccine? Can you provide any links? I'm interested to read up on it. 
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,689
    edited January 2023
    lastexitlondon said:
    Go Beavers said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Most people here have had covid. Natural immunity  is by far the  best thing.  Why anyone who has had covid would keep getting these  boosters is beyond me.
    That because your information sources are biased. 
    Ok mate. I have no bias

    Which is the problem. Everyone has bias because it’s a natural human function. People who think they don’t are more susceptible to being led astray because they lack self awareness. 
    Post edited by Go Beavers on
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,982
    lastexitlondon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Why do i care. Of course i care if its not necessary kids are not at risk from omicron . I dont like the  idea of young people being put in danger without looking at what could be a problem with the  mrna vaccine . Excess  deaths are up in every country  in all age groups it needs looking into  . In my opinion.  Its ok to care 
    Parents who don't do homework with their kids,  or feed them healthy foods,  or get them to exercise,  these are all things that I wish parents did more of, because these are long term risks to a child's healthy future.  And they bother me far more than getting an unnecessary vaccine. 
    Its a good job i and i would  think you do all those things.
    I try to,  but certainly not every parent does.  Point being,  even if one buys the argument that the vaccine is bad for children (vs ineffective,  vs effective), the other things I listed are far more prevalent and harmful to children then the low rate of side effect of the vaccine.  Yet here we are arguing about a parent's decision. 
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,069
    lastexitlondon said:
    https://youtu.be/yMyERFBdB4E
    Worth a watch
    This one


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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,069
    Go Beavers said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Go Beavers said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Most people here have had covid. Natural immunity  is by far the  best thing.  Why anyone who has had covid would keep getting these  boosters is beyond me.
    That because your information sources are biased. 
    Ok mate. I have no bias

    Which is the problem. Everyone has bias because it’s a natural human function. People who think they don’t are more susceptible to being led astray because they lack self awareness. 
    What a load of crap. Lack of self awareness.  Dear lord. Thats pathetic 


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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,069
    edited January 2023
    Just  listen  to the  professional immunologist of 50 years.  How is that a bias
     Its science . Its how cells and mrna work


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