Viruses / Vaccines 2

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

And now we have these..''get the vaccine, don't spread the virus, protect the elders''..am i wrong, am i lie??..i get 3 of those..

https://www.wsj.com/articles/are-vaccines-fueling-new-covid-variants-xbb-northeast-antibodies-mutation-strain-immune-imprinting-11672483618

https://sanduskyregister.com/news/436005/covid-vaccine-study-raises-questions-about-boosters/

and i have post several other links..serious things, scientists, as you want us to trust..
but everyone have a different opinion about science..respectful..but please don't try to convince me otherwise by irony or sarcasm..

two things. the WSJ article is an opinion piece. Second, it's behind a paywall, so I can't read it past the first paragraph. 

the second study isn't peer viewed. it also states very broadly that more people who received the vaccine have been infected more often. they don't know why. this could have a very wide range of causes. first of which is probably that vaccinated individuals feel more confident about "going back to normal" and getting infected multiple times. But there would be any number of causes. 

come to think of it, I suppose my "irony" statement actually isn't ironic at all. It actually makes sense that those believe in a large scale government coverup of alien visitation would align with being skeptical of the pandemic. and I'm not trying to be sarcastic here. I don't decry anyone who believes in government conspiracies. Could very well be true. But I don't understand the sudden skepticism of nearly every scientist on earth. when you think about it, it's a staggering claim. 

sure, there's going to be ranges of opinions on interpreting the data, as this pandemic is still only 3 years old. they'll be studying how this was handled and how the virus mutated and behaved for decades to come. We're still learning more about the 1918 pandemic. Science is exactly that: the process of learning new things and disproving previously held beliefs as new data emerges. 

First..about the variants and the boosters, it's out there, months now..i think i have post other articles in the past, wouldn't do it again, you all are free to check this..

second..''But I don't understand the sudden skepticism of nearly every scientist on earth''..100% with you..how many times
did you see this happens over the last 3 years..how many people lose their job cause they think or believe otherwise??how many people do you mock cause they didn't wear the mask or didn't get the vaccine..how many scientists they were formed into the margins for this reason..why Fauci is authentic and not this guy.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier#:~:text=Luc Montagnier (US: /ˌ,of the human immunodeficiency virus (

third..so, they just point the finger to us but still 3 years later they don't know exactly..
and still giving orders..nice..

there will always be outliers. but I am going to tend to believe the 99% over the 1%. no scientist is a god. they are fallible humans like the rest of us. some are going to be good at their jobs and others won't be. do you think it's plausible that the 99% are bad at their jobs and the 1% are good? or the other way around?

I'm going with the 99%, 100% of the time. that's just makes sense to me. 

there are always going to be a number of unanswered questions regarding this, until we're long removed from it and it's studied ad nauseum. like how in the beginning they fucked up the mask thing. They said they didn't work. Then they said they did. Now they are saying some don't and some do. I'm inclined to believe the latter. I think in the beginning they said they weren't needed since they thought the virus spread in the same way as other cold and flu viruses. When they got evidence that it was more evasive, and stayed in the air longer and had a farther reach, they switched course. Again, that's how science works. You change your position based on the known information at the time. 

it's not easy navigating a new disease in real time. hindsight is always goin to be 20/20. there are going to be things they get wrong. there are going to be things they get right. 

again, the only people claiming fauci is some type of worshipped deity by the left, are people from the right. he is a trusted virologist based on his decades of service and education and experience dealing with epidemiology. 

and the other guy, based just on the link you provided, sounds pretty problematic and controversial in the scientific community. 

The other ''guy'' is a Nobel Prize winner for discovery the HIV..but again, what can he knows??..

yes, he did. But there are a ton of other things he has said and done that are wildly controversial. 

23scidoo said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

Can't convince me otherwise..how many boosters we will need..10..100??
they doing poor job 3 years now..

what's doing a poor job? the vaccines? seriously? saving million and millions of lives is doing a poor job?

so no matter what data is shown to you, you refuse to believe it. then the point of discussing this is...what exactly?

and that's work both sides..

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

Can't convince me otherwise..how many boosters we will need..10..100??
they doing poor job 3 years now..

what's doing a poor job? the vaccines? seriously? saving million and millions of lives is doing a poor job?

so no matter what data is shown to you, you refuse to believe it. then the point of discussing this is...what exactly?

and that's work both sides..

not true. I believe consensus. you seem to believe the outliers. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

And now we have these..''get the vaccine, don't spread the virus, protect the elders''..am i wrong, am i lie??..i get 3 of those..

https://www.wsj.com/articles/are-vaccines-fueling-new-covid-variants-xbb-northeast-antibodies-mutation-strain-immune-imprinting-11672483618

https://sanduskyregister.com/news/436005/covid-vaccine-study-raises-questions-about-boosters/

and i have post several other links..serious things, scientists, as you want us to trust..
but everyone have a different opinion about science..respectful..but please don't try to convince me otherwise by irony or sarcasm..

two things. the WSJ article is an opinion piece. Second, it's behind a paywall, so I can't read it past the first paragraph. 

the second study isn't peer viewed. it also states very broadly that more people who received the vaccine have been infected more often. they don't know why. this could have a very wide range of causes. first of which is probably that vaccinated individuals feel more confident about "going back to normal" and getting infected multiple times. But there would be any number of causes. 

come to think of it, I suppose my "irony" statement actually isn't ironic at all. It actually makes sense that those believe in a large scale government coverup of alien visitation would align with being skeptical of the pandemic. and I'm not trying to be sarcastic here. I don't decry anyone who believes in government conspiracies. Could very well be true. But I don't understand the sudden skepticism of nearly every scientist on earth. when you think about it, it's a staggering claim. 

sure, there's going to be ranges of opinions on interpreting the data, as this pandemic is still only 3 years old. they'll be studying how this was handled and how the virus mutated and behaved for decades to come. We're still learning more about the 1918 pandemic. Science is exactly that: the process of learning new things and disproving previously held beliefs as new data emerges. 

First..about the variants and the boosters, it's out there, months now..i think i have post other articles in the past, wouldn't do it again, you all are free to check this..

second..''But I don't understand the sudden skepticism of nearly every scientist on earth''..100% with you..how many times
did you see this happens over the last 3 years..how many people lose their job cause they think or believe otherwise??how many people do you mock cause they didn't wear the mask or didn't get the vaccine..how many scientists they were formed into the margins for this reason..why Fauci is authentic and not this guy.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier#:~:text=Luc Montagnier (US: /ˌ,of the human immunodeficiency virus (

third..so, they just point the finger to us but still 3 years later they don't know exactly..
and still giving orders..nice..

there will always be outliers. but I am going to tend to believe the 99% over the 1%. no scientist is a god. they are fallible humans like the rest of us. some are going to be good at their jobs and others won't be. do you think it's plausible that the 99% are bad at their jobs and the 1% are good? or the other way around?

I'm going with the 99%, 100% of the time. that's just makes sense to me. 

there are always going to be a number of unanswered questions regarding this, until we're long removed from it and it's studied ad nauseum. like how in the beginning they fucked up the mask thing. They said they didn't work. Then they said they did. Now they are saying some don't and some do. I'm inclined to believe the latter. I think in the beginning they said they weren't needed since they thought the virus spread in the same way as other cold and flu viruses. When they got evidence that it was more evasive, and stayed in the air longer and had a farther reach, they switched course. Again, that's how science works. You change your position based on the known information at the time. 

it's not easy navigating a new disease in real time. hindsight is always goin to be 20/20. there are going to be things they get wrong. there are going to be things they get right. 

again, the only people claiming fauci is some type of worshipped deity by the left, are people from the right. he is a trusted virologist based on his decades of service and education and experience dealing with epidemiology. 

and the other guy, based just on the link you provided, sounds pretty problematic and controversial in the scientific community. 

The other ''guy'' is a Nobel Prize winner for discovery the HIV..but again, what can he knows??..

yes, he did. But there are a ton of other things he has said and done that are wildly controversial. 

because what he said does not agree with the establishment... we have seen thιs movie before..

no, because it's not backed with hard data. 

bootlegger10 said:

I am triple vaxed.   My dad got vaxed and for the first time in his life had heart issues less than a week later that impacted his quality of life the last two years before his death.  Coincidence, I think not.  I'm not saying the vaccine killed him, but likely created heart issues that didn't help.   What I read though is that the heart risks from Covid are worse than the heart risks from the vaccine.  Fine, I'll accept that.  But don't say on the flip side that vaccines are 100% healthy for everyone or call people quacks because they don't think vaccines are safe for all.  

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

I am triple vaxed.   My dad got vaxed and for the first time in his life had heart issues less than a week later that impacted his quality of life the last two years before his death.  Coincidence, I think not.  I'm not saying the vaccine killed him, but likely created heart issues that didn't help.   What I read though is that the heart risks from Covid are worse than the heart risks from the vaccine.  Fine, I'll accept that.  But don't say on the flip side that vaccines are 100% healthy for everyone or call people quacks because they don't think vaccines are safe for all.  

who is saying that? the scientific community openly acknowledges there are risks to any medication/vaccine. there are definitely vaccine injuries that occur. that's why they ask you all those questions before you take it.

I'm so sorry about you dad. 

lastexitlondon said:

Its more than that  though 
 The excess deaths that nobody is allowed to speak of on the internet.  Its more than your average risk 
 It really is. Every country  in the  world is now having cardiac arrests to a level  not seen pre mrna vaccine.  Its not just a theory or story
 These  are real peoples family  members.