Viruses / Vaccines 2

23scidoo

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

jwhjr17 said:

Just want to thank everyone posting in here for my almost daily dose of laughs.  And they come from either side.  Carry on

I'm with you here. What happened to all those forum health "experts" that were demonizing antivaxxers 1 year or so ago on this thread? Truly miss their insults, arguments and data reports links.

you don't like data?

I like data. Please repost on how covid vaccine prevents infection and transmission. 

it doesn't prevent infection. it prevents severe outcomes. which we've known for a very long time. 

That data about the vaccine reducing hospitalizations and deaths doesn't fit the predetermined narrative that vaccines don't help, so it's ignored. 

I've noticed that. people cling to the "prevents infection" claim from two years ago when they thought it did/would. They figured out it doesn't (or at least not to the degree it was hoped) but at least it prevents severe outcomes, and those that knew were honest about it. That is undeniable. But when the science changes, people say the previous science was a lie. it's so weird. that's literally how science has always worked. 

the science has evolved at a record pace here, and people want to call it a conspiracy. when the fuck did humanity ever have a preventative measure that mitigates severe disease and death within months of the new disease being discovered, this quickly? literally never. 

Tell that to the people that were still being fired 10 months ago. 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/

Bentleyspop

Halifax2TheMax said:

Can anyone tell me why that Bills player collapsed and his heart stopped beating? Exactly. 

It is believed to be Commotio Cordis.
This has been seen in baseball and hockey when a player gets hit in the chest with a ball or puck.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35372272/a-cardiologist-view-happened-buffalo-bills-safety-damar-hamlin

josevolution

Halifax2TheMax said:

Can anyone tell me why that Bills player collapsed and his heart stopped beating? Exactly. 

Must of been the vaccine no? 😜 Damn the vaccinated 

josevolution

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

jwhjr17 said:

Just want to thank everyone posting in here for my almost daily dose of laughs.  And they come from either side.  Carry on

I'm with you here. What happened to all those forum health "experts" that were demonizing antivaxxers 1 year or so ago on this thread? Truly miss their insults, arguments and data reports links.

you don't like data?

I like data. Please repost on how covid vaccine prevents infection and transmission. 

it doesn't prevent infection. it prevents severe outcomes. which we've known for a very long time. 

There you go. Initial data was way off then. 

yeah, again, that's how science works. and it wasn't "way off". as far as I understand it, they couldn't know about infection/transmission affectation until they had real world data. and they didn't have real world data until they had high rollout and uptake. it was disappointing that it didn't have as much of an impact on those factors as they had hoped, but at least it is keeping millions more alive. 

Maybe they should've waited for more data to roll in before mandatory vaccinations, no?

Waited longer? After how many deaths would you say would of been adequate give me a number? 

Merkin Baller

23scidoo said:

Merkin Baller said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

jwhjr17 said:

Just want to thank everyone posting in here for my almost daily dose of laughs.  And they come from either side.  Carry on

I'm with you here. What happened to all those forum health "experts" that were demonizing antivaxxers 1 year or so ago on this thread? Truly miss their insults, arguments and data reports links.

you don't like data?

I like data. Please repost on how covid vaccine prevents infection and transmission. 

Here's a study from Washington State Department of Health that found:

Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are • 2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series.

Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are • 1.9 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series.

Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are • 2.3 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series

https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-02/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf

The study from the Cleveland clinic said ''more-immunized employees also caught COVID-19 more often''..
but what they know..

Link? 

I googled & read a couple things, but would like to see what you’re talking about. 

Regardless, I’m not sure what point you’re even trying to make… that the vaccine isn’t effective? The reduced rate of hospitalizations & deaths confirms otherwise; we all know if doesn’t reduce transmission as much as they hoped… that’s been established. Are you arguing that because  they got that wrong then we should ignore what they got right or the good that’s come out of it? 

23scidoo

Merkin Baller said:

23scidoo said:

Merkin Baller said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

jwhjr17 said:

Just want to thank everyone posting in here for my almost daily dose of laughs.  And they come from either side.  Carry on

I'm with you here. What happened to all those forum health "experts" that were demonizing antivaxxers 1 year or so ago on this thread? Truly miss their insults, arguments and data reports links.

you don't like data?

I like data. Please repost on how covid vaccine prevents infection and transmission. 

Here's a study from Washington State Department of Health that found:

Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are • 2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series.

Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are • 1.9 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series.

Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are • 2.3 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series

https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-02/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf

The study from the Cleveland clinic said ''more-immunized employees also caught COVID-19 more often''..
but what they know..

Link? 

I googled & read a couple things, but would like to see what you’re talking about. 

Regardless, I’m not sure what point you’re even trying to make… that the vaccine isn’t effective? The reduced rate of hospitalizations & deaths confirms otherwise; we all know if doesn’t reduce transmission as much as they hoped… that’s been established. Are you arguing that because  they got that wrong then we should ignore what they got right or the good that’s come out of it? 

''Vaccines remain “very effective” against severe disease and death, the study cites''..
''The higher the number of vaccines previously received, the higher the risk of contracting COVID-19,” says the study..

https://sanduskyregister.com/news/436005/covid-vaccine-study-raises-questions-about-boosters/

and the deaths from covid its another big issue..

Merkin Baller

23scidoo said:

Merkin Baller said:

23scidoo said:

Merkin Baller said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

jwhjr17 said:

Just want to thank everyone posting in here for my almost daily dose of laughs.  And they come from either side.  Carry on

I'm with you here. What happened to all those forum health "experts" that were demonizing antivaxxers 1 year or so ago on this thread? Truly miss their insults, arguments and data reports links.

you don't like data?

I like data. Please repost on how covid vaccine prevents infection and transmission. 

Here's a study from Washington State Department of Health that found:

Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are • 2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series.

Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are • 1.9 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series.

Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are • 2.3 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series

https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-02/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf

The study from the Cleveland clinic said ''more-immunized employees also caught COVID-19 more often''..
but what they know..

Link? 

I googled & read a couple things, but would like to see what you’re talking about. 

Regardless, I’m not sure what point you’re even trying to make… that the vaccine isn’t effective? The reduced rate of hospitalizations & deaths confirms otherwise; we all know if doesn’t reduce transmission as much as they hoped… that’s been established. Are you arguing that because  they got that wrong then we should ignore what they got right or the good that’s come out of it? 

''Vaccines remain “very effective” against severe disease and death, the study cites''..
''The higher the number of vaccines previously received, the higher the risk of contracting COVID-19,” says the study..

https://sanduskyregister.com/news/436005/covid-vaccine-study-raises-questions-about-boosters/

and the deaths from covid its another big issue..

“ “It is unclear, at this time, why this was observed and how it should be interpreted, and more research is needed to either confirm or refute this finding. It’s important to note that this paper has not yet been peer-reviewed,” the statement said.

The study does not contradict massive evidence showing that the COVID-19 vaccination campaign saved many lives in the U.S. and abroad.”

If you’re trying to argue the vaccine wasn’t effective or worthwhile, you’re doing a poor job of it.

23scidoo

Can't convince me otherwise..how many boosters we will need..10..100??
they doing poor job 3 years now..

Merkin Baller

23scidoo said:

Can't convince me otherwise..how many boosters we will need..10..100??
they doing poor job 3 years now..

Lol

Have a great rest of your weekend. 

23scidoo

You too..

AW124797

josevolution said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

jwhjr17 said:

Just want to thank everyone posting in here for my almost daily dose of laughs.  And they come from either side.  Carry on

I'm with you here. What happened to all those forum health "experts" that were demonizing antivaxxers 1 year or so ago on this thread? Truly miss their insults, arguments and data reports links.

you don't like data?

I like data. Please repost on how covid vaccine prevents infection and transmission. 

it doesn't prevent infection. it prevents severe outcomes. which we've known for a very long time. 

There you go. Initial data was way off then. 

yeah, again, that's how science works. and it wasn't "way off". as far as I understand it, they couldn't know about infection/transmission affectation until they had real world data. and they didn't have real world data until they had high rollout and uptake. it was disappointing that it didn't have as much of an impact on those factors as they had hoped, but at least it is keeping millions more alive. 

Maybe they should've waited for more data to roll in before mandatory vaccinations, no?

Waited longer? After how many deaths would you say would of been adequate give me a number? 

Is it safe to assume that you're pro mass mandatory vaccinations? Please clarify. 

mickeyrat

23scidoo said:

Can't convince me otherwise..how many boosters we will need..10..100??
they doing poor job 3 years now..

do you get a flu shot?

gimmesometruth27

i'm grateful for the vaccine. i work in hospitals and operating rooms every day and so far, knock wood, have not caught it after 15 or 20 known exposures. not having the vaccine means i would have gotten covid likely multiple times by now. 

also, the reps that refused to go along with vaccine mandates were kept out of the hospitals, and their business fell to me, so i can't complain.

Hi!

I get flu shots now, which is something I didn’t do before the vid. It’s worked out pretty well. Haven’t gotten the flu last few years. Most pharmacies offer them for free, which is nice. Mine was covered by my health insurance through work.

Zod

I've never had a flu shot and I haven't had the flu since 2009, so I'm not exactly in a rush to get them, as I don't get flu's that often.

In regards to covid vaccines I think there's two issues.   The first is immunity.   To get the vaccine, then not being able to contract the virus.  The 2nd is it's ability to prevent you from getting severely sick.

The vaccines don't keep you immune very long (I got Covid 4 months after my 3rd shot), if much at all, so it's about it's ability to keep you from getting severely ill.  Most of the information on media sites only focuses on immunity, but the vaccines aren't that great at the immunity aspect (limited immunity for a few months).   I've been wondering about the 2nd part.  Severe illness.  Do boosters make a big impact there, or does your body remember how to fight it from previous shots and infection?   The amount of people getting boosters is dropping, but hospitalizations don't' seem to be changing here much.

I agree with the sentiment. The Covid boosters definitely helped, but in regards to all the vaccines I've gotten in my life they're probably the lease  effective.. lol.   I had a measles vaccine 40 years ago and I've never gotten measles (even when directly exposed to someone with it).

I think that's an issue, is we compare them to previous vaccine's for other illnesses and your immune for a long time.  Not of the, virus will probably evade and it and you'll only get a little sick kind of thing

Hi!

What freaks me out is China just coming out of lockdown and wondering what kind of variants could come out of that mess. Who knows.  I just try to follow the advice of accredited/smart people. Rite Aid nurse told me when I was getting my flu shot to wait a few months to get my 4th Covid shot because I will have immunity for a little while because of recent infection. Yadda, yadda, yadda…

23scidoo

mickeyrat said:

23scidoo said:

Can't convince me otherwise..how many boosters we will need..10..100??
they doing poor job 3 years now..

do you get a flu shot?

not this year..

mickeyrat

free article , no paywall

New variant XBB.1.5 is ‘most transmissible’ yet, could fuel covid wave  https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2023/01/08/new-covid-variant-xbb15/ 

  New variant XBB.1.5 is ‘most transmissible’ yet, could fuel covid wave
By Fenit Nirappil and Lauren Weber
January 08, 2023 at 6:00 ET
Three years after the novel coronavirus emerged, a new variant, XBB.1.5, is quickly becoming the dominant strain in parts of the United States because of a potent mix of mutations that makes it easier to spread broadly, including among those who have been previously infected or vaccinated.
XBB.1.5, pegged by the World Health Organization as “the most transmissible” descendant yet of the omicron variant, rose from barely 2 percent of U.S. cases at the start of December to more than 27 percent the first week of January, according to new estimates by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
More than 70 percent of cases in the Northeast are believed to be XBB.1.5.
While there is no evidence so far that XBB.1.5 is more virulent than its predecessors, a recent swirl of misinformation linking the rise of new variants to vaccination has cast a spotlight on this latest strain and raised concern among some health experts that it could further limit booster uptake.
“XBB did not evolve because people were vaccinated,” said Vaughn Cooper, a professor of evolutionary biology at the University of Pittsburgh. “The way it evolved, let’s be straight, is because people were infected by multiple viruses at the same time.”
[XBB, BQ.1.1, BA.2.75.2 — a variant swarm could fuel a winter surge]
Since the omicron variant ignited an explosion of cases last winter, it spawned a host of descendants that are even more adept at slipping past antibodies and caused most infections in the United States. The XBB line emerged as a result of two other omicron subvariants swapping parts.

continues .....

HughFreakingDillon

23scidoo said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

And now we have these..''get the vaccine, don't spread the virus, protect the elders''..am i wrong, am i lie??..i get 3 of those..

https://www.wsj.com/articles/are-vaccines-fueling-new-covid-variants-xbb-northeast-antibodies-mutation-strain-immune-imprinting-11672483618

https://sanduskyregister.com/news/436005/covid-vaccine-study-raises-questions-about-boosters/

and i have post several other links..serious things, scientists, as you want us to trust..
but everyone have a different opinion about science..respectful..but please don't try to convince me otherwise by irony or sarcasm..

two things. the WSJ article is an opinion piece. Second, it's behind a paywall, so I can't read it past the first paragraph. 

the second study isn't peer viewed. it also states very broadly that more people who received the vaccine have been infected more often. they don't know why. this could have a very wide range of causes. first of which is probably that vaccinated individuals feel more confident about "going back to normal" and getting infected multiple times. But there would be any number of causes. 

come to think of it, I suppose my "irony" statement actually isn't ironic at all. It actually makes sense that those believe in a large scale government coverup of alien visitation would align with being skeptical of the pandemic. and I'm not trying to be sarcastic here. I don't decry anyone who believes in government conspiracies. Could very well be true. But I don't understand the sudden skepticism of nearly every scientist on earth. when you think about it, it's a staggering claim. 

sure, there's going to be ranges of opinions on interpreting the data, as this pandemic is still only 3 years old. they'll be studying how this was handled and how the virus mutated and behaved for decades to come. We're still learning more about the 1918 pandemic. Science is exactly that: the process of learning new things and disproving previously held beliefs as new data emerges. 

First..about the variants and the boosters, it's out there, months now..i think i have post other articles in the past, wouldn't do it again, you all are free to check this..

second..''But I don't understand the sudden skepticism of nearly every scientist on earth''..100% with you..how many times
did you see this happens over the last 3 years..how many people lose their job cause they think or believe otherwise??how many people do you mock cause they didn't wear the mask or didn't get the vaccine..how many scientists they were formed into the margins for this reason..why Fauci is authentic and not this guy.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier#:~:text=Luc Montagnier (US: /ˌ,of the human immunodeficiency virus (

third..so, they just point the finger to us but still 3 years later they don't know exactly..
and still giving orders..nice..

there will always be outliers. but I am going to tend to believe the 99% over the 1%. no scientist is a god. they are fallible humans like the rest of us. some are going to be good at their jobs and others won't be. do you think it's plausible that the 99% are bad at their jobs and the 1% are good? or the other way around?

I'm going with the 99%, 100% of the time. that's just makes sense to me. 

there are always going to be a number of unanswered questions regarding this, until we're long removed from it and it's studied ad nauseum. like how in the beginning they fucked up the mask thing. They said they didn't work. Then they said they did. Now they are saying some don't and some do. I'm inclined to believe the latter. I think in the beginning they said they weren't needed since they thought the virus spread in the same way as other cold and flu viruses. When they got evidence that it was more evasive, and stayed in the air longer and had a farther reach, they switched course. Again, that's how science works. You change your position based on the known information at the time. 

it's not easy navigating a new disease in real time. hindsight is always goin to be 20/20. there are going to be things they get wrong. there are going to be things they get right. 

again, the only people claiming fauci is some type of worshipped deity by the left, are people from the right. he is a trusted virologist based on his decades of service and education and experience dealing with epidemiology. 

and the other guy, based just on the link you provided, sounds pretty problematic and controversial in the scientific community. 

The other ''guy'' is a Nobel Prize winner for discovery the HIV..but again, what can he knows??..

yes, he did. But there are a ton of other things he has said and done that are wildly controversial. 

HughFreakingDillon

23scidoo said:

Can't convince me otherwise..how many boosters we will need..10..100??
they doing poor job 3 years now..

what's doing a poor job? the vaccines? seriously? saving million and millions of lives is doing a poor job?

so no matter what data is shown to you, you refuse to believe it. then the point of discussing this is...what exactly?