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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,409
    Roll the dice....

    4 Broward County, Florida, educators died within about 24 hours from Covid-19 complications

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Bentleyspop said:
    Roll the dice....

    4 Broward County, Florida, educators died within about 24 hours from Covid-19 complications

    Jesus. this isn't hard, folks. not hard at all. 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,321
    Bentleyspop said:
    Roll the dice....

    4 Broward County, Florida, educators died within about 24 hours from Covid-19 complications

    And yet the Governor is threatening to punish school districts who make masks mandatory. If schools start up next week in Florida without masking being required, the s*** show down there now will look like a picnic. The article said over a hundred school district employees had tested positive since August 1st. What will that number be in 2 or 3 weeks?
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,255
    I am glad that Rand pushed on the origin of COVID-19.   Think about how for a while Facebook wouldn’t allow you to post stories that suggest the virus anything but natural.  Scary stuff.  We don’t know the answer but at least the government now acknowledges it may have been lab generated.

    I guess we have to take the good with the bad regarding freedom of speech.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    JeBurkhardt said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Roll the dice....

    4 Broward County, Florida, educators died within about 24 hours from Covid-19 complications

    And yet the Governor is threatening to punish school districts who make masks mandatory. If schools start up next week in Florida without masking being required, the s*** show down there now will look like a picnic. The article said over a hundred school district employees had tested positive since August 1st. What will that number be in 2 or 3 weeks?

    The new Republican slogan must be "Give me the Liberty to spread disease or give me death."  Well, they're getting it, but so are a lot of innocent victims.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    edited August 2021
    The Governator has a message for everyone: Don't be a schmuck.


    <<But some of the responses really worried me. Many people told me that the Constitution gives them rights, but not responsibilities. They feel no duty to protect their fellow citizens.

    That’s when I realized we all need a civics lesson. I can’t help but wonder how much better off we’d be if Americans took a step back from politics and spent a minute thinking about how lucky we are to call this country home. Instead of tweeting, we could think about what we owe to the patriots who came before us and those who will follow us.

    I am not an academic, but I can tell you that selfishness and dereliction of duty did not make this country great. The Constitution aimed to “promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity.” It’s right there in our founding document. We need to think beyond our selfish interests.>>

     Editing to add this OUTSTANDING shout-out to South Park:

    <<I often think about how many Americans sacrificed to make this country great. John Adams wrote that “it was the Duty of a good Citizen to sacrifice all to his Country.” Or, as the classic film Team America taught us: “Freedom isn’t free.”>>


    Post edited by curmudgeoness on
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    curmudgeoness said:
    The Governator has a message for everyone: Don't be a schmuck.


    <<But some of the responses really worried me. Many people told me that the Constitution gives them rights, but not responsibilities. They feel no duty to protect their fellow citizens.

    That’s when I realized we all need a civics lesson. I can’t help but wonder how much better off we’d be if Americans took a step back from politics and spent a minute thinking about how lucky we are to call this country home. Instead of tweeting, we could think about what we owe to the patriots who came before us and those who will follow us.

    I am not an academic, but I can tell you that selfishness and dereliction of duty did not make this country great. The Constitution aimed to “promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity.” It’s right there in our founding document. We need to think beyond our selfish interests.>>

     Editing to add this OUTSTANDING shout-out to South Park:

    <<I often think about how many Americans sacrificed to make this country great. John Adams wrote that “it was the Duty of a good Citizen to sacrifice all to his Country.” Or, as the classic film Team America taught us: “Freedom isn’t free.”>>


    how ironic that so many of these people say they have no responsibilities to their fellow citizens yet many of them like to play dress up military on the weekends. 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,830
    brianlux said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Roll the dice....

    4 Broward County, Florida, educators died within about 24 hours from Covid-19 complications

    And yet the Governor is threatening to punish school districts who make masks mandatory. If schools start up next week in Florida without masking being required, the s*** show down there now will look like a picnic. The article said over a hundred school district employees had tested positive since August 1st. What will that number be in 2 or 3 weeks?

    The new Republican slogan must be "Give me the Liberty to spread disease or give me death."  Well, they're getting it, but so are a lot of innocent victims.
    Give me liberty to give you death.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    bootlegger10 said:
    I am glad that Rand pushed on the origin of COVID-19.   Think about how for a while Facebook wouldn’t allow you to post stories that suggest the virus anything but natural.  Scary stuff.  We don’t know the answer but at least the government now acknowledges it may have been lab generated.

    I guess we have to take the good with the bad regarding freedom of speech.

    I'm not sure what you mean by that last sentence. "Freedom of speech" as outlined in the Constitution means that you cannot be thrown in prison by the government for your words. That is an unequivocal good.

    "Free speech" absolutely does not mean that Rand Paul or you or I or anyone has a right to go on YouTube or TV or Twitter and spew whatever comes into our heads. Social media can ban anyone who is violating their terms of service. News channels can refuse to give air time to nut jobs and conspiracy theorists. We have a right to protest, but that does not extend everywhere. You do not have a right to abuse Trader Joe's employees over their masking rules because "I have free speech!" Too often, people misconstrue "free speech" to mean "I can say what I want, when and where I want, with no consequences." That's not how it works.


    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,769
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    The Governator has a message for everyone: Don't be a schmuck.


    <<But some of the responses really worried me. Many people told me that the Constitution gives them rights, but not responsibilities. They feel no duty to protect their fellow citizens.

    That’s when I realized we all need a civics lesson. I can’t help but wonder how much better off we’d be if Americans took a step back from politics and spent a minute thinking about how lucky we are to call this country home. Instead of tweeting, we could think about what we owe to the patriots who came before us and those who will follow us.

    I am not an academic, but I can tell you that selfishness and dereliction of duty did not make this country great. The Constitution aimed to “promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity.” It’s right there in our founding document. We need to think beyond our selfish interests.>>

     Editing to add this OUTSTANDING shout-out to South Park:

    <<I often think about how many Americans sacrificed to make this country great. John Adams wrote that “it was the Duty of a good Citizen to sacrifice all to his Country.” Or, as the classic film Team America taught us: “Freedom isn’t free.”>>


    how ironic that so many of these people say they have no responsibilities to their fellow citizens yet many of them like to play dress up military on the weekends. 
    You ain’t kidding, I have a couple of co-workers who never shut up about how much they love the military & worship them for the sacrifices they make, but on the other hand, wearing a mask for the sake of their fellow American is simply too much of a sacrifice to ask of them. It’s such a strange dichotomy. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    edited August 2021
    many counties in Alabama have a test positivity rate of 40%. FORTY FUCKING PERCENT. (reported by Kyle Griffin on twitter-no source though)
    Post edited by HughFreakingDillon on
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    JeBurkhardt said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Roll the dice....

    4 Broward County, Florida, educators died within about 24 hours from Covid-19 complications

    And yet the Governor is threatening to punish school districts who make masks mandatory. If schools start up next week in Florida without masking being required, the s*** show down there now will look like a picnic. The article said over a hundred school district employees had tested positive since August 1st. What will that number be in 2 or 3 weeks?
    They stated that 3 of the 4 were not vaxxed and the 4th is not known. If this was 4 dead kids, things would change and unfortunately that is what it's going to take.....for thoughts and prayers to be invoked.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    It's one thing to say "We need to determine the origins of this virus" -- because we do, and because we have good reason not to simply accept whatever the Chinese government says without questioning it.

    It's another thing, especially for someone who has a public platform of any size, to start making assertions backed by... what? Rand Paul is especially problematic, since he is (technically) a doctor, and many people who don't know any better will think that that makes him an expert on all things medical. (he's (technically) an ophthalmologist, hardly an expert in virology, immunology or epidemiology; does that matter?? Ask me about the time I got into an argument with my gynecologist over my child's neurological disorders and I'd be happy to add detail to this picture.)
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    curmudgeoness said:
    It's one thing to say "We need to determine the origins of this virus" -- because we do, and because we have good reason not to simply accept whatever the Chinese government says without questioning it.

    It's another thing, especially for someone who has a public platform of any size, to start making assertions backed by... what? Rand Paul is especially problematic, since he is (technically) a doctor, and many people who don't know any better will think that that makes him an expert on all things medical. (he's (technically) an ophthalmologist, hardly an expert in virology, immunology or epidemiology; does that matter?? Ask me about the time I got into an argument with my gynecologist over my child's neurological disorders and I'd be happy to add detail to this picture.)
    More people need a McCoy type of perspective, but it seems to be the other way around more often than not.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    curmudgeoness said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    I am glad that Rand pushed on the origin of COVID-19.   Think about how for a while Facebook wouldn’t allow you to post stories that suggest the virus anything but natural.  Scary stuff.  We don’t know the answer but at least the government now acknowledges it may have been lab generated.

    I guess we have to take the good with the bad regarding freedom of speech.

    I'm not sure what you mean by that last sentence. "Freedom of speech" as outlined in the Constitution means that you cannot be thrown in prison by the government for your words. That is an unequivocal good.

    "Free speech" absolutely does not mean that Rand Paul or you or I or anyone has a right to go on YouTube or TV or Twitter and spew whatever comes into our heads. Social media can ban anyone who is violating their terms of service. News channels can refuse to give air time to nut jobs and conspiracy theorists. We have a right to protest, but that does not extend everywhere. You do not have a right to abuse Trader Joe's employees over their masking rules because "I have free speech!" Too often, people misconstrue "free speech" to mean "I can say what I want, when and where I want, with no consequences." That's not how it works.


    Truth
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    tbergs said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    It's one thing to say "We need to determine the origins of this virus" -- because we do, and because we have good reason not to simply accept whatever the Chinese government says without questioning it.

    It's another thing, especially for someone who has a public platform of any size, to start making assertions backed by... what? Rand Paul is especially problematic, since he is (technically) a doctor, and many people who don't know any better will think that that makes him an expert on all things medical. (he's (technically) an ophthalmologist, hardly an expert in virology, immunology or epidemiology; does that matter?? Ask me about the time I got into an argument with my gynecologist over my child's neurological disorders and I'd be happy to add detail to this picture.)
    More people need a McCoy type of perspective, but it seems to be the other way around more often than not.
    FOR GODSAKES JIM, I'M A DOCTOR, NOT A POOLMAN
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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/federal-government-mandatory-vaccinations-1.6140131

    Transport Minister Omar Alghabra announced today that the federal government will soon require that all public servants be vaccinated — a mandate that he said will also be implemented by Crown corporations and other federally regulated businesses in the coming weeks.

    The vaccine will be mandatory for federal employees and those working in some federally regulated industries (airlines and railways, among others) in an effort to boost stalled vaccination rates. The government says it also "expects" that other employers in federally regulated sectors — like banking, broadcasting and telecommunication — will require vaccination for their employees.

    There are more than 300,000 federal public servants and hundreds of thousands more people are working in industries that fall under the federal labour code.

    Alghabra said the government will work expeditiously with public service unions and employers to get the mandate in place "by the end of October," if not sooner.

    Starting soon, all commercial air travellers and passengers on interprovincial trains and large marine vessels with overnight accommodations (such as cruise ships) will have to be vaccinated, Alghabra said. He said accommodations will be made for "those few who are unable to be vaccinated," such as testing and screening.






    Pretty big moves by my country today. Love to see it. 

  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    curmudgeoness said:
    The Governator has a message for everyone: Don't be a schmuck.


    <<But some of the responses really worried me. Many people told me that the Constitution gives them rights, but not responsibilities. They feel no duty to protect their fellow citizens.

    That’s when I realized we all need a civics lesson. I can’t help but wonder how much better off we’d be if Americans took a step back from politics and spent a minute thinking about how lucky we are to call this country home. Instead of tweeting, we could think about what we owe to the patriots who came before us and those who will follow us.

    I am not an academic, but I can tell you that selfishness and dereliction of duty did not make this country great. The Constitution aimed to “promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity.” It’s right there in our founding document. We need to think beyond our selfish interests.>>

     Editing to add this OUTSTANDING shout-out to South Park:

    <<I often think about how many Americans sacrificed to make this country great. John Adams wrote that “it was the Duty of a good Citizen to sacrifice all to his Country.” Or, as the classic film Team America taught us: “Freedom isn’t free.”>>


    I like this, but it seems like many people don’t really care for this country, think it’s great, or consider those people patriots.

    To some, you’re a pariah if they even get a whiff of that coming from you. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    DMB vaccine requirement or recent 48 hour negative test for the remainder of the tour.  Fiddler's Green show (Denver) requires vax + 14 days.  No fresh vaccines or neg tests allowed.  
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,808
    curmudgeoness said:
    It's one thing to say "We need to determine the origins of this virus" -- because we do, and because we have good reason not to simply accept whatever the Chinese government says without questioning it.

    It's another thing, especially for someone who has a public platform of any size, to start making assertions backed by... what? Rand Paul is especially problematic, since he is (technically) a doctor, and many people who don't know any better will think that that makes him an expert on all things medical. (he's (technically) an ophthalmologist, hardly an expert in virology, immunology or epidemiology; does that matter?? Ask me about the time I got into an argument with my gynecologist over my child's neurological disorders and I'd be happy to add detail to this picture.)

    Please, no gyno pictures, this is an all ages site. 






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