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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,117
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ok, I guess if someone is a dick that means every word out of their mouths is a lie. interesting take. 
    No,  just him in this case.  It's too convenient. The money is immaterial but it's embarrassing for him to be invested in a covid treatment when he's been so vocally dismissive of the pandemic and any mitigation efforts .. all of them. 
    He's been dismissive of the restrictions, not treatments. he got the vaccine. and he tells people to get it if they want it. 

    look, I've been thinking about the republican end of this. while i find it abhorrent that R governors are opening things up when it's the absolute worst time to do so, I do understand their line of thinking: "the vaccine is available country-wide, people have had the opportunity to get the shot or not, and we can't wait anymore". Let me be crystal clear: I find this stance unconscionable, but it's consistent with R ideology: individual freedom or death. 
    Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer



  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,008
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ok, I guess if someone is a dick that means every word out of their mouths is a lie. interesting take. 
    No,  just him in this case.  It's too convenient. The money is immaterial but it's embarrassing for him to be invested in a covid treatment when he's been so vocally dismissive of the pandemic and any mitigation efforts .. all of them. 
    He's been dismissive of the restrictions, not treatments. he got the vaccine. and he tells people to get it if they want it. 

    look, I've been thinking about the republican end of this. while i find it abhorrent that R governors are opening things up when it's the absolute worst time to do so, I do understand their line of thinking: "the vaccine is available country-wide, people have had the opportunity to get the shot or not, and we can't wait anymore". Let me be crystal clear: I find this stance unconscionable, but it's consistent with R ideology: individual freedom or death. 
    Why do you think Rand got the vaccine?  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rand-paul-says-he-won-t-get-covid-vaccine-n1268268
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ok, I guess if someone is a dick that means every word out of their mouths is a lie. interesting take. 
    No,  just him in this case.  It's too convenient. The money is immaterial but it's embarrassing for him to be invested in a covid treatment when he's been so vocally dismissive of the pandemic and any mitigation efforts .. all of them. 
    He's been dismissive of the restrictions, not treatments. he got the vaccine. and he tells people to get it if they want it. 

    look, I've been thinking about the republican end of this. while i find it abhorrent that R governors are opening things up when it's the absolute worst time to do so, I do understand their line of thinking: "the vaccine is available country-wide, people have had the opportunity to get the shot or not, and we can't wait anymore". Let me be crystal clear: I find this stance unconscionable, but it's consistent with R ideology: individual freedom or death. 
    Why do you think Rand got the vaccine?  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rand-paul-says-he-won-t-get-covid-vaccine-n1268268
    It's fun to read that article with the hindsight of knowing the pandemic is benefitting him financially. 
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,988
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ok, I guess if someone is a dick that means every word out of their mouths is a lie. interesting take. 
    No,  just him in this case.  It's too convenient. The money is immaterial but it's embarrassing for him to be invested in a covid treatment when he's been so vocally dismissive of the pandemic and any mitigation efforts .. all of them. 
    He's been dismissive of the restrictions, not treatments. he got the vaccine. and he tells people to get it if they want it. 

    look, I've been thinking about the republican end of this. while i find it abhorrent that R governors are opening things up when it's the absolute worst time to do so, I do understand their line of thinking: "the vaccine is available country-wide, people have had the opportunity to get the shot or not, and we can't wait anymore". Let me be crystal clear: I find this stance unconscionable, but it's consistent with R ideology: individual freedom or death. 
    a lot of them are choosing individual freedom AND death.

    i just saw more floridians have died from covid than was desantis's margin of victory in the election. he is literally letting his own supporters die. but he does not care about florida. only running for president in 2024.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,117
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ok, I guess if someone is a dick that means every word out of their mouths is a lie. interesting take. 
    No,  just him in this case.  It's too convenient. The money is immaterial but it's embarrassing for him to be invested in a covid treatment when he's been so vocally dismissive of the pandemic and any mitigation efforts .. all of them. 
    He's been dismissive of the restrictions, not treatments. he got the vaccine. and he tells people to get it if they want it. 

    look, I've been thinking about the republican end of this. while i find it abhorrent that R governors are opening things up when it's the absolute worst time to do so, I do understand their line of thinking: "the vaccine is available country-wide, people have had the opportunity to get the shot or not, and we can't wait anymore". Let me be crystal clear: I find this stance unconscionable, but it's consistent with R ideology: individual freedom or death. 
    Why do you think Rand got the vaccine?  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rand-paul-says-he-won-t-get-covid-vaccine-n1268268
    I watched his "choose freedom" video and I misunderstood something he said about the vaccine. 
    Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer



  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,117
    Merkin Baller said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ok, I guess if someone is a dick that means every word out of their mouths is a lie. interesting take. 
    No,  just him in this case.  It's too convenient. The money is immaterial but it's embarrassing for him to be invested in a covid treatment when he's been so vocally dismissive of the pandemic and any mitigation efforts .. all of them. 
    He's been dismissive of the restrictions, not treatments. he got the vaccine. and he tells people to get it if they want it. 

    look, I've been thinking about the republican end of this. while i find it abhorrent that R governors are opening things up when it's the absolute worst time to do so, I do understand their line of thinking: "the vaccine is available country-wide, people have had the opportunity to get the shot or not, and we can't wait anymore". Let me be crystal clear: I find this stance unconscionable, but it's consistent with R ideology: individual freedom or death. 
    Why do you think Rand got the vaccine?  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rand-paul-says-he-won-t-get-covid-vaccine-n1268268
    It's fun to read that article with the hindsight of knowing the pandemic is benefitting him financially. 
    not that it matters, but did it though? I thought I read that his wife actually lost money on that investment, which actually gives me joy. 
    Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer



  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,008
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ok, I guess if someone is a dick that means every word out of their mouths is a lie. interesting take. 
    No,  just him in this case.  It's too convenient. The money is immaterial but it's embarrassing for him to be invested in a covid treatment when he's been so vocally dismissive of the pandemic and any mitigation efforts .. all of them. 
    He's been dismissive of the restrictions, not treatments. he got the vaccine. and he tells people to get it if they want it. 

    look, I've been thinking about the republican end of this. while i find it abhorrent that R governors are opening things up when it's the absolute worst time to do so, I do understand their line of thinking: "the vaccine is available country-wide, people have had the opportunity to get the shot or not, and we can't wait anymore". Let me be crystal clear: I find this stance unconscionable, but it's consistent with R ideology: individual freedom or death. 
    Why do you think Rand got the vaccine?  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rand-paul-says-he-won-t-get-covid-vaccine-n1268268
    I watched his "choose freedom" video and I misunderstood something he said about the vaccine. 
    Here's the thing.  I've watched Rand closely over the years, as I found him interesting when he was first elected as a senator.  He seemed principled and was willing to buck traditional views on both sides of the aisle.  But over the past decade, he's devolved into someone even worse than a known partisan.  I've found him disingenuous, deceitful and just as prone to ridiculous, hyperbolic statements as anyone.  He is no Justin Amash who appears to be a truly principled libertarian.  So he gets no benefit of the doubt from me.  His continued badgering of Fauci  both in hearings and now in a criminal referral is repulsive.  He's worse than any other senator on the Hill in that respect, 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,976
    I'm off to get my shot!

    C'ya in a bit!
  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,378
    tempo_n_groove said:
    I'm off to get my shot!

    C'ya in a bit!
    Good deal!
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ok, I guess if someone is a dick that means every word out of their mouths is a lie. interesting take. 
    No,  just him in this case.  It's too convenient. The money is immaterial but it's embarrassing for him to be invested in a covid treatment when he's been so vocally dismissive of the pandemic and any mitigation efforts .. all of them. 
    He's been dismissive of the restrictions, not treatments. he got the vaccine. and he tells people to get it if they want it. 

    look, I've been thinking about the republican end of this. while i find it abhorrent that R governors are opening things up when it's the absolute worst time to do so, I do understand their line of thinking: "the vaccine is available country-wide, people have had the opportunity to get the shot or not, and we can't wait anymore". Let me be crystal clear: I find this stance unconscionable, but it's consistent with R ideology: individual freedom or death. 
    Why do you think Rand got the vaccine?  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rand-paul-says-he-won-t-get-covid-vaccine-n1268268
    It's fun to read that article with the hindsight of knowing the pandemic is benefitting him financially. 
    not that it matters, but did it though? I thought I read that his wife actually lost money on that investment, which actually gives me joy. 

    If not, then my bad. I assumed he did. 


    With that being said, did the word about the money lost come direct from him, or another source? 

    The man has proven to be disingenuous, which is why I can't understand extending the benefit of the doubt based on his word alone. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,117
    Merkin Baller said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ok, I guess if someone is a dick that means every word out of their mouths is a lie. interesting take. 
    No,  just him in this case.  It's too convenient. The money is immaterial but it's embarrassing for him to be invested in a covid treatment when he's been so vocally dismissive of the pandemic and any mitigation efforts .. all of them. 
    He's been dismissive of the restrictions, not treatments. he got the vaccine. and he tells people to get it if they want it. 

    look, I've been thinking about the republican end of this. while i find it abhorrent that R governors are opening things up when it's the absolute worst time to do so, I do understand their line of thinking: "the vaccine is available country-wide, people have had the opportunity to get the shot or not, and we can't wait anymore". Let me be crystal clear: I find this stance unconscionable, but it's consistent with R ideology: individual freedom or death. 
    Why do you think Rand got the vaccine?  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rand-paul-says-he-won-t-get-covid-vaccine-n1268268
    It's fun to read that article with the hindsight of knowing the pandemic is benefitting him financially. 
    not that it matters, but did it though? I thought I read that his wife actually lost money on that investment, which actually gives me joy. 

    If not, then my bad. I assumed he did. 


    With that being said, did the word about the money lost come direct from him, or another source? 

    The man has proven to be disingenuous, which is why I can't understand extending the benefit of the doubt based on his word alone. 
    that I don't know. it was reported in the original CNN article I read. 
    Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer



  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,976

    Hmmmmmm?!? Which one is it? I should put this in the show me something funny thread too. 
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,988
    My Fall Plans



    The Delta Variant

    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    Hey everyone:

    If you haven't been following Ed Yong's writing on the pandemic, you should. He won a Pulitzer for good reason -- thoroughly researched, clearly and thoughtfully-written reporting. He has a new piece up today on The Atlantic that offers, IMO, great coverage of where we are, where we're going, and how delta changed everything. It should NOT be paywalled.



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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,812
    tempo_n_groove said:
    I'm off to get my shot!

    C'ya in a bit!

    Awesome, well done!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ok, I guess if someone is a dick that means every word out of their mouths is a lie. interesting take. 
    No,  just him in this case.  It's too convenient. The money is immaterial but it's embarrassing for him to be invested in a covid treatment when he's been so vocally dismissive of the pandemic and any mitigation efforts .. all of them. 
    He's been dismissive of the restrictions, not treatments. he got the vaccine. and he tells people to get it if they want it. 

    look, I've been thinking about the republican end of this. while i find it abhorrent that R governors are opening things up when it's the absolute worst time to do so, I do understand their line of thinking: "the vaccine is available country-wide, people have had the opportunity to get the shot or not, and we can't wait anymore". Let me be crystal clear: I find this stance unconscionable, but it's consistent with R ideology: individual freedom or death. 
    Why do you think Rand got the vaccine?  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rand-paul-says-he-won-t-get-covid-vaccine-n1268268
    I watched his "choose freedom" video and I misunderstood something he said about the vaccine. 
    Here's the thing.  I've watched Rand closely over the years, as I found him interesting when he was first elected as a senator.  He seemed principled and was willing to buck traditional views on both sides of the aisle.  But over the past decade, he's devolved into someone even worse than a known partisan.  I've found him disingenuous, deceitful and just as prone to ridiculous, hyperbolic statements as anyone.  He is no Justin Amash who appears to be a truly principled libertarian.  So he gets no benefit of the doubt from me.  His continued badgering of Fauci  both in hearings and now in a criminal referral is repulsive.  He's worse than any other senator on the Hill in that respect, 

    There's seems to be something that happened when he, Lindsey Graham, and others went golfing with TFG. It can't be that the golf was soooo awesome (we all know TFG cheats at golf). My assumption has been blackmail of some sort, but I suppose that belongs in another thread.

    I have no love for Rand Paul at this point, either. However, given that his wife lost money on the deal and knowing full well that things like this *can* happen, I'm not inclined to get agitated about this story. I WOULD like people to remember how certain senators were briefed on the coronavirus early last year and then sprinted to call their brokers and money managers before doing a damn thing on the public health front. That's worth remembering. 
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    edited August 2021
    mrussel1 said:
    This is worrisome.  I'm on Pfizer.  Punchline, this study (non peer reviewed) shows that in July, Pfizer's effectiveness at stopping transmission dropped to the 40's.  Moderna was much stronger.  Virologist's caution not to read too much into yet because it's limited and not reviewed, but it's still something to consider when making decisions about concerts and such.  I'm in the pit at DMB in about two weeks.  

    https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-vaccines-pfizer-moderna-delta-biden-e9be4bb0-3d10-4f56-8054-5410be357070.html
    I saw this...

    The July 28, 2021, pre-print report of the study, which has not been peer-reviewed, suggests a gradual "declining trend in vaccine efficacy" over 6 months after two doses of the Pfizer vaccine in more than 45,000 people worldwide.

    The study finds overall effectiveness falls from 96% to 84%.


    EDIT: I should note that yes what you posted is concerning....booster on the way I guess.

    Post edited by cincybearcat on
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  • jerparker20
    jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,529
    curmudgeoness said:
    Hey everyone:

    If you haven't been following Ed Yong's writing on the pandemic, you should. He won a Pulitzer for good reason -- thoroughly researched, clearly and thoughtfully-written reporting. He has a new piece up today on The Atlantic that offers, IMO, great coverage of where we are, where we're going, and how delta changed everything. It should NOT be paywalled.



    Ed Yong is hands down one of the best, if not the best, journalists out there today. I specifically subscribed to the Atlantic for his writing.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,348
    tempo_n_groove said:

    Hmmmmmm?!? Which one is it? I should put this in the show me something funny thread too. 

    hmm, is there a third option?
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    curmudgeoness said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ok, I guess if someone is a dick that means every word out of their mouths is a lie. interesting take. 
    No,  just him in this case.  It's too convenient. The money is immaterial but it's embarrassing for him to be invested in a covid treatment when he's been so vocally dismissive of the pandemic and any mitigation efforts .. all of them. 
    He's been dismissive of the restrictions, not treatments. he got the vaccine. and he tells people to get it if they want it. 

    look, I've been thinking about the republican end of this. while i find it abhorrent that R governors are opening things up when it's the absolute worst time to do so, I do understand their line of thinking: "the vaccine is available country-wide, people have had the opportunity to get the shot or not, and we can't wait anymore". Let me be crystal clear: I find this stance unconscionable, but it's consistent with R ideology: individual freedom or death. 
    Why do you think Rand got the vaccine?  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rand-paul-says-he-won-t-get-covid-vaccine-n1268268
    I watched his "choose freedom" video and I misunderstood something he said about the vaccine. 
    Here's the thing.  I've watched Rand closely over the years, as I found him interesting when he was first elected as a senator.  He seemed principled and was willing to buck traditional views on both sides of the aisle.  But over the past decade, he's devolved into someone even worse than a known partisan.  I've found him disingenuous, deceitful and just as prone to ridiculous, hyperbolic statements as anyone.  He is no Justin Amash who appears to be a truly principled libertarian.  So he gets no benefit of the doubt from me.  His continued badgering of Fauci  both in hearings and now in a criminal referral is repulsive.  He's worse than any other senator on the Hill in that respect, 

    There's seems to be something that happened when he, Lindsey Graham, and others went golfing with TFG. It can't be that the golf was soooo awesome (we all know TFG cheats at golf). My assumption has been blackmail of some sort, but I suppose that belongs in another thread.

    I have no love for Rand Paul at this point, either. However, given that his wife lost money on the deal and knowing full well that things like this *can* happen, I'm not inclined to get agitated about this story. I WOULD like people to remember how certain senators were briefed on the coronavirus early last year and then sprinted to call their brokers and money managers before doing a damn thing on the public health front. That's worth remembering. 
    1000% - Paul is no scummier than them. That doesn't mean they aren't scumbags and congressional insider trading shouldn't be brought to light. (Not that anything will be done about it, but I digress)

    & yeah, I'm no more agitated about Paul than I was about both the Republican and Democrats of whom you're referring. This shit happens all the time, unfortunately. 
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