mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

CM189191 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Weston1283 said:

Yep....and this is why I got the vaccine without hesitation. I knew it was inevitable that you'd need one to enter something like this. Otherwise, I may not have gotten the vaccine yet. I mean, it doesn't prevent you from spreading it, which was my main COVID concern pre-vaccine (that I'd possibly infect my 73-year-old father or 90-year-old grandmother). It's not FDA-approved like every other vaccine I've ever gotten. I understand the hesitation or even flat-out refusal some people have about it. But I want to see Pearl Jam. And because of that, I was fully vaccinated by February 2021. For a while, I at least took solace in knowing that if I caught the virus, having been vaccinated, I'd be fine. But my friend who is vaccinated caught COVID last week and had to go to the ER. So who the hell knows...

I realize most people here will think I am joking or trolling, but the fact of the matter is I am feeling this same way.  My wife's work is talking about mandating it and frankly I am afraid by the time we board a plane this Christmas that I will need to show proof.

When talking with my wife about it, I suggest the J&J shot.  One shot.  Not mRNA.  Seems to be the best route for us.  Obviously, we will wait as long as we possibly can before doing anything, but what is the consensus of the board on which one to get?

Also, one question I have had is all of these places are showing proof of being "fully" vaccinated.  What exactly does that mean?  Two years from now if two additional boosters are required, does that make it "fully"?  If so, when will this cycle stop?

Never.  The cycle never stops.

Vaccine have been required for years.  Enforcement will become more efficient.

Deal with it.  

And you are ok with this?  That's what I do not understand with the majority of the people here.  All of you are vaccinated yet this seems to be in a never ending cycle of power and control by your government.  And that seems to be fine.  Why?  The message has changed more in the past year than I change my underwear.  Why are y'all not sick of it?  

No, the crazy ass part is that you think this is about power and control by the gov't.  That's the insane conclusion.  

Then how else do you explain it?  Please, enlighten me.

jfc - explain what?!

get the vaccine, pandemic ends

A -> B

I guess when your beliefs are:

1. It's a hoax
2. It's just a flu
3. No one has actually died, only people on motorcycles 
4. The vaccine doesn't work
5. Herd immunity is the only way (even though the virus is fake)
6. The vaccine is worse than the disease


then the only 'sane' conclusion is that it's gov't control.  However, when your starting point and assumptions are faulty and insane, your conclusion is bound to be insane too. 

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

CM189191 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Weston1283 said:

Yep....and this is why I got the vaccine without hesitation. I knew it was inevitable that you'd need one to enter something like this. Otherwise, I may not have gotten the vaccine yet. I mean, it doesn't prevent you from spreading it, which was my main COVID concern pre-vaccine (that I'd possibly infect my 73-year-old father or 90-year-old grandmother). It's not FDA-approved like every other vaccine I've ever gotten. I understand the hesitation or even flat-out refusal some people have about it. But I want to see Pearl Jam. And because of that, I was fully vaccinated by February 2021. For a while, I at least took solace in knowing that if I caught the virus, having been vaccinated, I'd be fine. But my friend who is vaccinated caught COVID last week and had to go to the ER. So who the hell knows...

I realize most people here will think I am joking or trolling, but the fact of the matter is I am feeling this same way.  My wife's work is talking about mandating it and frankly I am afraid by the time we board a plane this Christmas that I will need to show proof.

When talking with my wife about it, I suggest the J&J shot.  One shot.  Not mRNA.  Seems to be the best route for us.  Obviously, we will wait as long as we possibly can before doing anything, but what is the consensus of the board on which one to get?

Also, one question I have had is all of these places are showing proof of being "fully" vaccinated.  What exactly does that mean?  Two years from now if two additional boosters are required, does that make it "fully"?  If so, when will this cycle stop?

Never.  The cycle never stops.

Vaccine have been required for years.  Enforcement will become more efficient.

Deal with it.  

And you are ok with this?  That's what I do not understand with the majority of the people here.  All of you are vaccinated yet this seems to be in a never ending cycle of power and control by your government.  And that seems to be fine.  Why?  The message has changed more in the past year than I change my underwear.  Why are y'all not sick of it?  

No, the crazy ass part is that you think this is about power and control by the gov't.  That's the insane conclusion.  

Then how else do you explain it?  Please, enlighten me.

jfc - explain what?!

get the vaccine, pandemic ends

A -> B

I guess when your beliefs are:

1. It's a hoax
2. It's just a flu
3. No one has actually died, only people on motorcycles 
4. The vaccine doesn't work
5. Herd immunity is the only way (even though the virus is fake)
6. The vaccine is worse than the disease


then the only 'sane' conclusion is that it's gov't control.  However, when your starting point and assumptions are faulty and insane, your conclusion is bound to be insane too. 

1. It's a hoax - False.  Never said that.
2. It's just a flu - More like the common cold for most people.
3. No one has actually died, only people on motorcycles - Never said that, only wondered why they counted as covid deaths
4. The vaccine doesn't work - Still debatable
5. Herd immunity is the only way (even though the virus is fake) - Still feel this way and as I mentioned in another post and got no responses, whatever happened to natural immunity?  Weird that never gets talked about anymore.
6. The vaccine is worse than the disease - Maybe?

lastexitlondon said:

At this point  i will pass the baton Olympic  style to the next person to take the bait. Im advanced . Im the first man to shit in my corduroy pants.

JB16057 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JB16057 said:

CM189191 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

CM189191 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Weston1283 said:

Yep....and this is why I got the vaccine without hesitation. I knew it was inevitable that you'd need one to enter something like this. Otherwise, I may not have gotten the vaccine yet. I mean, it doesn't prevent you from spreading it, which was my main COVID concern pre-vaccine (that I'd possibly infect my 73-year-old father or 90-year-old grandmother). It's not FDA-approved like every other vaccine I've ever gotten. I understand the hesitation or even flat-out refusal some people have about it. But I want to see Pearl Jam. And because of that, I was fully vaccinated by February 2021. For a while, I at least took solace in knowing that if I caught the virus, having been vaccinated, I'd be fine. But my friend who is vaccinated caught COVID last week and had to go to the ER. So who the hell knows...

I realize most people here will think I am joking or trolling, but the fact of the matter is I am feeling this same way.  My wife's work is talking about mandating it and frankly I am afraid by the time we board a plane this Christmas that I will need to show proof.

When talking with my wife about it, I suggest the J&J shot.  One shot.  Not mRNA.  Seems to be the best route for us.  Obviously, we will wait as long as we possibly can before doing anything, but what is the consensus of the board on which one to get?

Also, one question I have had is all of these places are showing proof of being "fully" vaccinated.  What exactly does that mean?  Two years from now if two additional boosters are required, does that make it "fully"?  If so, when will this cycle stop?

Never.  The cycle never stops.

Vaccine have been required for years.  Enforcement will become more efficient.

Deal with it.  

And you are ok with this?  That's what I do not understand with the majority of the people here.  All of you are vaccinated yet this seems to be in a never ending cycle of power and control by your government.  And that seems to be fine.  Why?  The message has changed more in the past year than I change my underwear.  Why are y'all not sick of it?  

No, the crazy ass part is that you think this is about power and control by the gov't.  That's the insane conclusion.  

Then how else do you explain it?  Please, enlighten me.

jfc - explain what?!

get the vaccine, pandemic ends

A -> B

The vaccine doesn't stop COVID from spreading and never will. This pandemic will never end until we(and the government) look at it the same way we do the flu. We have vaccines for the flu as well but it will never go away. Vaccination against the flu started back in the 1930's and thousands of people still die from it every year. The vaccine does help reduce the amount of cases but there is no bulletproof solution.

The flu still mutates and some years are worse than others. COVID is new so our bodies are still processing how to deal with it and will for a very long time.

To say "get the vaccine, pandemic ends" is a false and ignorant statement.

incorrect. when the virus is under control and it gets downgraded from a worldwide health emergency to a regional one, it goes from pandemic to endemic. 

pandemic ending is not equal to the virus being eradicated. 

OK but getting the vaccine does not mean getting this virus under control. We are going to be dealing with this for years. I stand by what I said, "This pandemic will never end until we(and the government) look at it the same way we do the flu."

gvn2fly1421 said:

CM189191 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

CM189191 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Weston1283 said:

Yep....and this is why I got the vaccine without hesitation. I knew it was inevitable that you'd need one to enter something like this. Otherwise, I may not have gotten the vaccine yet. I mean, it doesn't prevent you from spreading it, which was my main COVID concern pre-vaccine (that I'd possibly infect my 73-year-old father or 90-year-old grandmother). It's not FDA-approved like every other vaccine I've ever gotten. I understand the hesitation or even flat-out refusal some people have about it. But I want to see Pearl Jam. And because of that, I was fully vaccinated by February 2021. For a while, I at least took solace in knowing that if I caught the virus, having been vaccinated, I'd be fine. But my friend who is vaccinated caught COVID last week and had to go to the ER. So who the hell knows...

I realize most people here will think I am joking or trolling, but the fact of the matter is I am feeling this same way.  My wife's work is talking about mandating it and frankly I am afraid by the time we board a plane this Christmas that I will need to show proof.

When talking with my wife about it, I suggest the J&J shot.  One shot.  Not mRNA.  Seems to be the best route for us.  Obviously, we will wait as long as we possibly can before doing anything, but what is the consensus of the board on which one to get?

Also, one question I have had is all of these places are showing proof of being "fully" vaccinated.  What exactly does that mean?  Two years from now if two additional boosters are required, does that make it "fully"?  If so, when will this cycle stop?

Never.  The cycle never stops.

Vaccine have been required for years.  Enforcement will become more efficient.

Deal with it.  

And you are ok with this?  That's what I do not understand with the majority of the people here.  All of you are vaccinated yet this seems to be in a never ending cycle of power and control by your government.  And that seems to be fine.  Why?  The message has changed more in the past year than I change my underwear.  Why are y'all not sick of it?  

No, the crazy ass part is that you think this is about power and control by the gov't.  That's the insane conclusion.  

Then how else do you explain it?  Please, enlighten me.

jfc - explain what?!

get the vaccine, pandemic ends

A -> B

That is funny.  More like -

End lockdowns masking when you get the vaccine
Get the vaccine
Masking and restrictions increase
Take a booster
Take a pill (Imagine ivermectin or hydroxychlorquine with a bigger price tag)

How about Fauci saying the way out of this is not the vaccines...  Golly Gee, that would have been nice to know months ago, right?

https://www.csis.org/analysis/conversation-dr-anthony-fauci-antiviral-program-pandemics

Dr. Fauci: Well, thank you very much, Steve, for that introduction, which was really quite good, about where we stand with all of this.

But let me start by saying that this pandemic is 20 months old. And, in fact, medications have been a priority all along. But when you had to move very quickly, we really had to focus on the medications for the most people in dire need, and namely the hospitalized patients, people who were advanced in their disease. And we had to look at repurposed medications.

You mentioned quite correctly that monoclonal antibodies turned out to be an early success. But they have their vulnerabilities, particularly when you deal with the variants that we’ve had to face.

But the approach that we are taking right now is really what we call a two-tiered approach, two fundamental pillars. And the fundamental pillars address what you had alluded to in that the drugs that are already out there, the molnupiravir, the protease inhibitor, the Atea-Roche product, and even others that have not gotten as much visibility but are still somewhere along the early pipeline.

Dr. Fauci: Yes. I don’t know whether it’s going to be the home run that we got with HIV when we, in 1996 – the transforming year when we had the triple combination and we went from modest suppressant of virus to complete durable suppression of virus with HIV, which totally changed the landscape. But you know, I want some of the listeners if not all of them – because I know many of them already appreciated it – why it’s so important and a bit different than what we faced with HIV, Steve. And the reason is with HIV we’re talking about lifelong therapy for an individual to keep the virus suppressed to below detectable, to get the person to return to some form of normality. And we have been spectacularly successful.

We’re looking at a different type of a profile now. We’re looking at an orally administered maybe seven to 10 days, given to person who is early on in the course of their infection before you get to the cascade of events that lead to the aberrant activation, inflammatory response that kills people, because we know now from a lot of experience with the care of these individuals that if you can keep that virus from going to the upper airway, from going down into the lung and other organ systems, you can change what can be a devastating disease and make it an upper airway common cold type approach, which is really what we need to do. We only need to knock out that virus for about seven to 10 days, rather than lifelong, what we have to do with HIV.

Dr. Morrison: Thank you.

Now, tell us a bit about what you see as the ideal or optimal product profile. What does a product have to look like in order to be a winner in your view, when you take into consideration use, equity considerations, access? What are you telling people is the optimal profile?

Dr. Fauci: OK. The optimal profile – we’re comfortable with this, because we’ve developed product profiles for so many other drugs, including with HIV. So, first of all, I want a pill that blocks a specific viral function. I want to give it once a day if possible. I want it to be low in toxicity. And I want it to have very minimal drug-drug interactions. So orally administered, single pill, given for seven to 10 days, little drug-drug interaction, and low toxicity; give me that and I’ll be really happy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkMhqswIc20&t=107s