This is worrisome. I'm on Pfizer. Punchline, this study (non peer reviewed) shows that in July, Pfizer's effectiveness at stopping transmission dropped to the 40's. Moderna was much stronger. Virologist's caution not to read too much into yet because it's limited and not reviewed, but it's still something to consider when making decisions about concerts and such. I'm in the pit at DMB in about two weeks.
The July 28, 2021, pre-print report of the study, which has not been peer-reviewed, suggests a gradual "declining trend in vaccine efficacy" over 6 months after two doses of the Pfizer vaccine in more than 45,000 people worldwide.
The study finds overall effectiveness falls from 96% to 84%.
EDIT: I should note that yes what you posted is concerning....booster on the way I guess.
Canada already has a 10 million federal reserve stockpiled ontop of provincial allocations for the upcoming third doses. To hell with a worldwide equitable and fair rollout that prioritizes the vulnerable. If I've leaned anything from our countries it's - look out for #1!
wait. you said personal freedom isn't the stance of traditional republicans. I said I wasn't talking about traditional republicans. then you said "then it's not about personal freedom". so you don't believe ANY republican has a legitimate stance of personal freedoms? it's all a ruse, no matter who it is or their reasoning?
I'm saying today's Republicans are not anchored to personal freedoms. It's a ruse. If they were, then their stance on gay marriage and rights would be laissez-faire. It isn't. And traditional republicans did not believe that personal freedoms always outweighed the benefit to society. Conservatism was very much connected to the impact on society. They were not anti-vax, unlimited gun rights, and the like. They were socially conservative for sure, and believed gov't had a role to play in society, it was just different than teh role that liberals supported.
David Frum (an actual conservative, although his ideas have been evolving to the left, and I don't know if he's registered GOP anymore) wrote about this for The Atlantic in April. This one's probably paywalled, although I'm a huge fan of The Atlantic and recommend a subscription. :-)
<<But the point is not to win the fight, or even really to fight the fight. The point is to announce
the fight, and to keep raging about it, even if you do not in fact
fight it very hard. DeSantis surely does not agree with those
Republicans who dismiss COVID-19 as a hoax, the COVID-19 vaccines as a
menace, and vaccine certificates as the mark of the anti-Christ. He has
repeatedly said
that he will take the vaccine when it’s his turn. But he must reckon
with a party in which anti-vaccination has joined pro-gun as an
indispensable cultural marker—and as a potential veto bloc for anyone
aspiring to a future Republican presidential nomination.
To
appease those cultural blocs, Republican politicians must be willing to
sacrifice everything, including what used to be the party’s
foundational principles. To protect the gun, or to avoid contradicting
the delusions of anti-vaccine paranoiacs, property rights must give way,
freedom to operate a business must yield. The QAnon-curious
Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene expressed the new mentality when
she took to Facebook to denounce vaccine passports as “corporate communism.” It sounded crazy. But if you understand that she interprets communism
to mean “any interference in the right of people like me to do whatever
we want, regardless of the rights of others”—then, yeah, the property
rights of corporations will indeed look to her like a force of
communism.
A sizable minority
of Americans want to use airplanes belonging to others, theme parks
belonging to others, sports stadiums belonging to others—without
concession to the health of others or the property rights of owners.
With guns, with COVID-19, with tech, the new post-Trump message from the
post-Trump GOP is: Private property is socialism; state expropriation is freedom. It’s a strange doctrine for a party supposedly committed to liberty and the Constitution, but here we are.>>
Yes Frum's evolution has been interesting. I think for people him, Kristol and others, they just decided that Liberal politics is better than the alternative. At least it's rational.
And yes, I've seen the corporate communism statement which is just... hilarious. Talk about a contradiction in terms. I've been saying for a long time that calling a person a communist, socialist, Marxist, etc. is just completely meaningless today. It's defined as "anything I don't like. "
BREAKING: The Supreme Court refuses grant Indiana University students’ request to block the school’s vaccine mandate. Justice Amy Coney Barrett rejected the request without referring it to the full court.
Justice Coney Barrett tells anti-vaxers to get fucked. This along with a handful of other rulings on vaccine mandates will put to bed any potential suits. Also, I’m sure it’s been mentioned before, but the SCOTUS ruled back in 1905 that vaccine mandates are constitutional.
<<Americans know whom to blame for the delta surge, the uptick in
hospitalizations in low-vaccination states and the spike in infections
among children. A recent Morning Consult-Politico
poll found 49 percent blame the unvaccinated and the political leaders
who ban mask or vaccine requirements; another 21 percent blame one of
these groups and only 22 percent blame neither. Among Republicans, a
majority — 53 percent — blame at least one of these groups or both while
39 percent blame neither.>>
All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
In my office at work everyone in day shift is vaccinated it’s comprised of 4 Latin Americans, 3 Black Americans & 1 Caucasian American! The overnight shift consists of 8 employees all American minorities none are vaccinated! That’s just one small Dept in this hospital starting Monday all unvaccinated will have to adhere to weekly testing.
What a douche. Create the problem and then try to be the hero with your blame others‘ approach to freedumb and “decisive” leadership in deploying the “rapid” response team. What a fucking douche this Deathsantis is. But hey, he’ll be the party’s nominee.
What a douche. Create the problem and then try to be the hero with your blame others‘ approach to freedumb and “decisive” leadership in deploying the “rapid” response team. What a fucking douche this Deathsantis is. But hey, he’ll be the party’s nominee.
And yet the Governor is threatening to punish school districts who make masks mandatory. If schools start up next week in Florida without masking being required, the s*** show down there now will look like a picnic. The article said over a hundred school district employees had tested positive since August 1st. What will that number be in 2 or 3 weeks?
I am glad that Rand pushed on the origin of COVID-19. Think about how for a while Facebook wouldn’t allow you to post stories that suggest the virus anything but natural. Scary stuff. We don’t know the answer but at least the government now acknowledges it may have been lab generated.
I guess we have to take the good with the bad regarding freedom of speech.
And yet the Governor is threatening to punish school districts who make masks mandatory. If schools start up next week in Florida without masking being required, the s*** show down there now will look like a picnic. The article said over a hundred school district employees had tested positive since August 1st. What will that number be in 2 or 3 weeks?
The new Republican slogan must be "Give me the Liberty to spread disease or give me death." Well, they're getting it, but so are a lot of innocent victims.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
<<But some of the responses really
worried me. Many people told me that the Constitution gives them
rights, but not responsibilities. They feel no duty to protect their
fellow citizens.
That’s
when I realized we all need a civics lesson. I can’t help but wonder
how much better off we’d be if Americans took a step back from politics
and spent a minute thinking about how lucky we are to call this country
home. Instead of tweeting, we could think about what we owe to the
patriots who came before us and those who will follow us.
I
am not an academic, but I can tell you that selfishness and dereliction
of duty did not make this country great. The Constitution aimed to
“promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty for
ourselves and our posterity.” It’s right there in our founding document.
We need to think beyond our selfish interests.>>
Editing to add this OUTSTANDING shout-out to South Park:
<<I often think about how many Americans sacrificed to make this country great. John Adams wrote that “it was the Duty of a good Citizen to sacrifice all to his Country.” Or, as the classic film Team America taught us: “Freedom isn’t free.”>>
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All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
<<But some of the responses really
worried me. Many people told me that the Constitution gives them
rights, but not responsibilities. They feel no duty to protect their
fellow citizens.
That’s
when I realized we all need a civics lesson. I can’t help but wonder
how much better off we’d be if Americans took a step back from politics
and spent a minute thinking about how lucky we are to call this country
home. Instead of tweeting, we could think about what we owe to the
patriots who came before us and those who will follow us.
I
am not an academic, but I can tell you that selfishness and dereliction
of duty did not make this country great. The Constitution aimed to
“promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty for
ourselves and our posterity.” It’s right there in our founding document.
We need to think beyond our selfish interests.>>
Editing to add this OUTSTANDING shout-out to South Park:
<<I often think about how many Americans sacrificed to make this country great. John Adams wrote that “it was the Duty of a good Citizen to sacrifice all to his Country.” Or, as the classic film Team America taught us: “Freedom isn’t free.”>>
how ironic that so many of these people say they have no responsibilities to their fellow citizens yet many of them like to play dress up military on the weekends.
And yet the Governor is threatening to punish school districts who make masks mandatory. If schools start up next week in Florida without masking being required, the s*** show down there now will look like a picnic. The article said over a hundred school district employees had tested positive since August 1st. What will that number be in 2 or 3 weeks?
The new Republican slogan must be "Give me the Liberty to spread disease or give me death." Well, they're getting it, but so are a lot of innocent victims.
I am glad that Rand pushed on the origin of COVID-19. Think about how for a while Facebook wouldn’t allow you to post stories that suggest the virus anything but natural. Scary stuff. We don’t know the answer but at least the government now acknowledges it may have been lab generated.
I guess we have to take the good with the bad regarding freedom of speech.
I'm not sure what you mean by that last sentence. "Freedom of speech" as outlined in the Constitution means that you cannot be thrown in prison by the government for your words. That is an unequivocal good.
"Free speech" absolutely does not mean that Rand Paul or you or I or anyone has a right to go on YouTube or TV or Twitter and spew whatever comes into our heads. Social media can ban anyone who is violating their terms of service. News channels can refuse to give air time to nut jobs and conspiracy theorists. We have a right to protest, but that does not extend everywhere. You do not have a right to abuse Trader Joe's employees over their masking rules because "I have free speech!" Too often, people misconstrue "free speech" to mean "I can say what I want, when and where I want, with no consequences." That's not how it works.
All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
<<But some of the responses really
worried me. Many people told me that the Constitution gives them
rights, but not responsibilities. They feel no duty to protect their
fellow citizens.
That’s
when I realized we all need a civics lesson. I can’t help but wonder
how much better off we’d be if Americans took a step back from politics
and spent a minute thinking about how lucky we are to call this country
home. Instead of tweeting, we could think about what we owe to the
patriots who came before us and those who will follow us.
I
am not an academic, but I can tell you that selfishness and dereliction
of duty did not make this country great. The Constitution aimed to
“promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty for
ourselves and our posterity.” It’s right there in our founding document.
We need to think beyond our selfish interests.>>
Editing to add this OUTSTANDING shout-out to South Park:
<<I often think about how many Americans sacrificed to make this country great. John Adams wrote that “it was the Duty of a good Citizen to sacrifice all to his Country.” Or, as the classic film Team America taught us: “Freedom isn’t free.”>>
how ironic that so many of these people say they have no responsibilities to their fellow citizens yet many of them like to play dress up military on the weekends.
You ain’t kidding, I have a couple of co-workers who never shut up about how much they love the military & worship them for the sacrifices they make, but on the other hand, wearing a mask for the sake of their fellow American is simply too much of a sacrifice to ask of them. It’s such a strange dichotomy.
And yet the Governor is threatening to punish school districts who make masks mandatory. If schools start up next week in Florida without masking being required, the s*** show down there now will look like a picnic. The article said over a hundred school district employees had tested positive since August 1st. What will that number be in 2 or 3 weeks?
They stated that 3 of the 4 were not vaxxed and the 4th is not known. If this was 4 dead kids, things would change and unfortunately that is what it's going to take.....for thoughts and prayers to be invoked.
It's one thing to say "We need to determine the origins of this virus" -- because we do, and because we have good reason not to simply accept whatever the Chinese government says without questioning it.
It's another thing, especially for someone who has a public platform of any size, to start making assertions backed by... what? Rand Paul is especially problematic, since he is (technically) a doctor, and many people who don't know any better will think that that makes him an expert on all things medical. (he's (technically) an ophthalmologist, hardly an expert in virology, immunology or epidemiology; does that matter?? Ask me about the time I got into an argument with my gynecologist over my child's neurological disorders and I'd be happy to add detail to this picture.)
All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
It's one thing to say "We need to determine the origins of this virus" -- because we do, and because we have good reason not to simply accept whatever the Chinese government says without questioning it.
It's another thing, especially for someone who has a public platform of any size, to start making assertions backed by... what? Rand Paul is especially problematic, since he is (technically) a doctor, and many people who don't know any better will think that that makes him an expert on all things medical. (he's (technically) an ophthalmologist, hardly an expert in virology, immunology or epidemiology; does that matter?? Ask me about the time I got into an argument with my gynecologist over my child's neurological disorders and I'd be happy to add detail to this picture.)
More people need a McCoy type of perspective, but it seems to be the other way around more often than not.
I am glad that Rand pushed on the origin of COVID-19. Think about how for a while Facebook wouldn’t allow you to post stories that suggest the virus anything but natural. Scary stuff. We don’t know the answer but at least the government now acknowledges it may have been lab generated.
I guess we have to take the good with the bad regarding freedom of speech.
I'm not sure what you mean by that last sentence. "Freedom of speech" as outlined in the Constitution means that you cannot be thrown in prison by the government for your words. That is an unequivocal good.
"Free speech" absolutely does not mean that Rand Paul or you or I or anyone has a right to go on YouTube or TV or Twitter and spew whatever comes into our heads. Social media can ban anyone who is violating their terms of service. News channels can refuse to give air time to nut jobs and conspiracy theorists. We have a right to protest, but that does not extend everywhere. You do not have a right to abuse Trader Joe's employees over their masking rules because "I have free speech!" Too often, people misconstrue "free speech" to mean "I can say what I want, when and where I want, with no consequences." That's not how it works.
It's one thing to say "We need to determine the origins of this virus" -- because we do, and because we have good reason not to simply accept whatever the Chinese government says without questioning it.
It's another thing, especially for someone who has a public platform of any size, to start making assertions backed by... what? Rand Paul is especially problematic, since he is (technically) a doctor, and many people who don't know any better will think that that makes him an expert on all things medical. (he's (technically) an ophthalmologist, hardly an expert in virology, immunology or epidemiology; does that matter?? Ask me about the time I got into an argument with my gynecologist over my child's neurological disorders and I'd be happy to add detail to this picture.)
More people need a McCoy type of perspective, but it seems to be the other way around more often than not.
Transport Minister Omar Alghabra announced today that the federal government will soon require that all public servants be vaccinated — a mandate that he said will also be implemented by Crown corporations and other federally regulated businesses in the coming weeks.
The vaccine will be mandatory for federal employees and those working in some federally regulated industries (airlines and railways, among others) in an effort to boost stalled vaccination rates. The government says it also "expects" that other employers infederally regulated sectors — like banking, broadcasting and telecommunication — will require vaccination for their employees.
There are more than 300,000 federal public servants and hundreds of thousands more people are working in industries that fall under the federal labour code.
Alghabra said the government will work expeditiously with public service unions and employers to get the mandate in place "by the end of October," if not sooner.
Starting soon, all commercial air travellers and passengers on interprovincial trains and large marine vessels with overnight accommodations (such as cruise ships) will have to be vaccinated, Alghabra said. He said accommodations will be made for "those few who are unable to be vaccinated," such as testing and screening.
<<But some of the responses really
worried me. Many people told me that the Constitution gives them
rights, but not responsibilities. They feel no duty to protect their
fellow citizens.
That’s
when I realized we all need a civics lesson. I can’t help but wonder
how much better off we’d be if Americans took a step back from politics
and spent a minute thinking about how lucky we are to call this country
home. Instead of tweeting, we could think about what we owe to the
patriots who came before us and those who will follow us.
I
am not an academic, but I can tell you that selfishness and dereliction
of duty did not make this country great. The Constitution aimed to
“promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty for
ourselves and our posterity.” It’s right there in our founding document.
We need to think beyond our selfish interests.>>
Editing to add this OUTSTANDING shout-out to South Park:
<<I often think about how many Americans sacrificed to make this country great. John Adams wrote that “it was the Duty of a good Citizen to sacrifice all to his Country.” Or, as the classic film Team America taught us: “Freedom isn’t free.”>>
I like this, but it seems like many people don’t really care for this country, think it’s great, or consider those people patriots.
To some, you’re a pariah if they even get a whiff of that coming from you.
DMB vaccine requirement or recent 48 hour negative test for the remainder of the tour. Fiddler's Green show (Denver) requires vax + 14 days. No fresh vaccines or neg tests allowed.
It's one thing to say "We need to determine the origins of this virus" -- because we do, and because we have good reason not to simply accept whatever the Chinese government says without questioning it.
It's another thing, especially for someone who has a public platform of any size, to start making assertions backed by... what? Rand Paul is especially problematic, since he is (technically) a doctor, and many people who don't know any better will think that that makes him an expert on all things medical. (he's (technically) an ophthalmologist, hardly an expert in virology, immunology or epidemiology; does that matter?? Ask me about the time I got into an argument with my gynecologist over my child's neurological disorders and I'd be happy to add detail to this picture.)
Please, no gyno pictures, this is an all ages site.
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And yes, I've seen the corporate communism statement which is just... hilarious. Talk about a contradiction in terms. I've been saying for a long time that calling a person a communist, socialist, Marxist, etc. is just completely meaningless today. It's defined as "anything I don't like. "
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Justice Coney Barrett tells anti-vaxers to get fucked. This along with a handful of other rulings on vaccine mandates will put to bed any potential suits. Also, I’m sure it’s been mentioned before, but the SCOTUS ruled back in 1905 that vaccine mandates are constitutional.
BC implements mandatory vaccine for assisted living health workers today and requires vaccination status from other health workers.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/12/health/florida-covid-rapid-response-teams/index.html
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The new Republican slogan must be "Give me the Liberty to spread disease or give me death." Well, they're getting it, but so are a lot of innocent victims.
<<But some of the responses really worried me. Many people told me that the Constitution gives them rights, but not responsibilities. They feel no duty to protect their fellow citizens.
That’s when I realized we all need a civics lesson. I can’t help but wonder how much better off we’d be if Americans took a step back from politics and spent a minute thinking about how lucky we are to call this country home. Instead of tweeting, we could think about what we owe to the patriots who came before us and those who will follow us.
I am not an academic, but I can tell you that selfishness and dereliction of duty did not make this country great. The Constitution aimed to “promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity.” It’s right there in our founding document. We need to think beyond our selfish interests.>>
Editing to add this OUTSTANDING shout-out to South Park:www.headstonesband.com
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Transport Minister Omar Alghabra announced today that the federal government will soon require that all public servants be vaccinated — a mandate that he said will also be implemented by Crown corporations and other federally regulated businesses in the coming weeks.
The vaccine will be mandatory for federal employees and those working in some federally regulated industries (airlines and railways, among others) in an effort to boost stalled vaccination rates. The government says it also "expects" that other employers in federally regulated sectors — like banking, broadcasting and telecommunication — will require vaccination for their employees.
There are more than 300,000 federal public servants and hundreds of thousands more people are working in industries that fall under the federal labour code.
Alghabra said the government will work expeditiously with public service unions and employers to get the mandate in place "by the end of October," if not sooner.
Starting soon, all commercial air travellers and passengers on interprovincial trains and large marine vessels with overnight accommodations (such as cruise ships) will have to be vaccinated, Alghabra said. He said accommodations will be made for "those few who are unable to be vaccinated," such as testing and screening.
Pretty big moves by my country today. Love to see it.
To some, you’re a pariah if they even get a whiff of that coming from you.