Capitol Hill Riots

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?

that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 

Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.

To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch.  

I have no idea if this particular officer was involved in any "plotting", but given that many people have already lost jobs and have had their names, faces and backgrounds splashed all over the media outlets leading to widespread ridicule for their involvement in the riots, I don't view it as a stretch that the prospect could lead someone to commit suicide. 

But he did not storm the capital, he was a cop there.  I hear what you are saying, and I'm not saying anything is impossible.  But I agree with Hugh that it feels like a stretch and a tad irresponsible in the statement. 

That's not what you said in the post I was replying to. You said: "To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch", and that's what I disagree with - I think it's quite possible that someone would commit suicide because they knew it would be discovered that they were part of the "plot".

I'm not arguing at all that this officer was. 

Sorry, I skipped the part that I thought was known.  He was a metro police officer who responded to the assault  So for H2M to be right (in his conjecture), he would have been part of the plot and worried about getting arrested, so he committed suicide. I feel like while possible, a stretch.

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?

that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 

Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.

To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch.  

I have no idea if this particular officer was involved in any "plotting", but given that many people have already lost jobs and have had their names, faces and backgrounds splashed all over the media outlets leading to widespread ridicule for their involvement in the riots, I don't view it as a stretch that the prospect could lead someone to commit suicide. 

But he did not storm the capital, he was a cop there.  I hear what you are saying, and I'm not saying anything is impossible.  But I agree with Hugh that it feels like a stretch and a tad irresponsible in the statement. 

That's not what you said in the post I was replying to. You said: "To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch", and that's what I disagree with - I think it's quite possible that someone would commit suicide because they knew it would be discovered that they were part of the "plot".

I'm not arguing at all that this officer was. 

Sorry, I skipped the part that I thought was known.  He was a metro police officer who responded to the assault  So for H2M to be right (in his conjecture), he would have been part of the plot and worried about getting arrested, so he committed suicide. I feel like while possible, a stretch.

I didn't say i was "right," in your conjecture. I asked if anyone thought it was possible. Its not like its unknown that law enforcement and military folks are white supremacists or that members of law enforcement are being investigated for a potential role. Big stretch, sure. Just like the existence of a PTAPE is a big stretch, knowing what we do of POOTWH proclivities and past behavior.

gimmesometruth27 said:

i saw that manbearpigshaman is looking at 28 years in federal prison.

good.

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?

that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 

Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.

because i'm just not a fan of accusing someone who just committed suicide of treason with nothing but conjecture, that's why. 

There's a body of circumstantial evidence that's been reported and an AG stating that there are serious charges of sedition before a grand jury, in the hundreds. Yea, maybe I'll just chalk it up to the fact that a certain number of cops commit suicide every year. And I'm not dismissing that nor making light of it. Hopefully, there will be a full investigation and report, inclusive of those who committed suicide and whether they were involved or not.

Gern Blansten said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i saw that manbearpigshaman is looking at 28 years in federal prison.

good.

That might be a bit excessive but I haven't reviewed exactly what he did.

He certainly thought a lot of himself.  He reminds me of this idiot in my dorm in college that told us his name was "Zeus".  My guess is he made that nickname up to reinvent himself.  

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?

that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 

Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.

because i'm just not a fan of accusing someone who just committed suicide of treason with nothing but conjecture, that's why. 

There's a body of circumstantial evidence that's been reported and an AG stating that there are serious charges of sedition before a grand jury, in the hundreds. Yea, maybe I'll just chalk it up to the fact that a certain number of cops commit suicide every year. And I'm not dismissing that nor making light of it. Hopefully, there will be a full investigation and report, inclusive of those who committed suicide and whether they were involved or not.

sometimes it's just best to keep our thoughts to ourselves for a while. 

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i saw that manbearpigshaman is looking at 28 years in federal prison.

good.

That might be a bit excessive but I haven't reviewed exactly what he did.

He certainly thought a lot of himself.  He reminds me of this idiot in my dorm in college that told us his name was "Zeus".  My guess is he made that nickname up to reinvent himself.  

Zeus??  Ha!  That's like someone named Gordon calling themselves "Sting". 

Gern Blansten said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i saw that manbearpigshaman is looking at 28 years in federal prison.

good.

That might be a bit excessive but I haven't reviewed exactly what he did.

He certainly thought a lot of himself.  He reminds me of this idiot in my dorm in college that told us his name was "Zeus".  My guess is he made that nickname up to reinvent himself.