Technically, it was not that long ago that an armed protester was shot by a member of the military at the Texas state capital. I don’t remember many around here supporting the death of that individual...I, personally, hope no one gets “smashed to pieces”, police nor citizens. I hope the week comes and goes without any major incident. Seems like that’s a weekly hope these days.
Downtown Austin does not equal the premises of not the interior of the capitol building
Additionally Garret was carrying a gun for the protection of those around him that were standing in solidarity for black lives. Let’s not forget he never fired a shot or invaded anyone’s space. Only walked up to a car that rammed through the March .false equivalency
Garrett walked up to a car and pointed a gun at someone, yes, totally different premise. There is a difference in people legally protesting with guns and people doing illegal things with them.
I never said it was okay for them to bust into anywhere...that’s where their lawful protest ends. If they do that and are met with military response, then they should have understood that to be a risk. I’m not going to wish death on those legally protesting, though.
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Technically, it was not that long ago that an armed protester was shot by a member of the military at the Texas state capital. I don’t remember many around here supporting the death of that individual...I, personally, hope no one gets “smashed to pieces”, police nor citizens. I hope the week comes and goes without any major incident. Seems like that’s a weekly hope these days.
You don't need to protest peacefully with a weapon strapped to you.
You don’t have to tell me that (I sure as hell wouldn’t) but they do have the legal right to do so. I sure am not going to wish death on people protesting in a legally protected way.
I have no idea what incident you're talking about but I'm an actual supporter of the Constitution and our Republic, unlike these fucking traitors. So if they protest peacefully, no problem. But a little bit of me hopes the militia assholes do something and let the guard and military unleash. Come and take it.
"But a little bit of me hopes the militia assholes do something and let the guard and military unleash. Come and take it. "
(CNN)As terrible as the events of Jan. 6 were -- and I'm on the record warning of "the unimaginable" -- I'm going to repeat what I said after Election Day: It's not over.
Garry Kasparov
This
battle against anti-democratic extremism didn't end when a right-wing
mob invaded the United States Capitol and five people died, including
one police officer. It didn't end when Twitter and other social media
platforms finally muzzled President Donald Trump -- although that was a
heavier blow in this fight than most. And it won't end when Joe Biden is
inaugurated on January 20.
Beating
Trump was an essential step, of course. Four years of his thuggery and
demagoguery were enough to bring American democracy to its knees. Four
more might have finished it off. Had fewer than 45,000 votes across
three key states gone the other way on Election Day, we'd be plunging
toward authoritarian rule, and discussing which of Trump's children
would take over in 2024.
Narrowly dodging that metaphorical bullet was no protection against the threat of real bullets,
as the attack on the Capitol proved. And there will be more violence,
especially if the Capitol perpetrators and those who incited them --
starting with the President -- are not held accountable.
The
correct response is the dispassionate application of the law. Not
political persecution, but nor politically motivated leniency, either.
We don't have to choose between unity and justice. Avoiding doing the
right thing will only prolong the crisis and give aid and comfort to
enemies of the state and of the peace. Our Founding Fathers failed to
resolve the historical challenge of slavery, passing a bloody Civil War
on to future generations. Despite Abraham Lincoln's assassination,
Reconstruction allowed the South a "defeat with honor," decades of Jim
Crow, and the pernicious Lost Cause mythology that persists today.
Consider
the repugnant image of a Trumpist Capitol invader carrying a
Confederate flag in a building that Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson
only dreamed of conquering. No new mythology should be allowed to sprout
from this vile transgression. The worst result would be letting the
mutineers off the hook -- and this includes the elected officials who
encouraged them, like Sens. Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley and especially
President Trump. That they, and scores of other Republicans, continued
to attack the integrity of the election even now is beyond the pale.
The
perpetrators won't become heroes or martyrs if the process of justice
is not unduly politicized. It would be a blunder for the left to turn a
clear case of criminal justice into a battleground for racial justice,
which would help the Trumpist Republicans twist their illegal
insurrection into the culture war they crave. White supremacy is a
terrible evil of American history, and Trump and his followers' traffic
in it is repugnant, but we should not overburden a clear-cut criminal
proceeding with the cleansing of sins.
Ted Cruz's fight for the man he once called 'sniveling coward' 01:58
History
teaches us the cost of well-meaning but shortsighted attempts to
sacrifice justice for unity. Russians learned this in the hardest
possible way after the fall of the Soviet Union. As I discussed at
length in my book, Winter Is Coming, they declined to root out the KGB
security state in the interest of national harmony. It would be too
traumatic, our leaders said, to expose the countless atrocities the
Soviet security forces committed and to punish their authors.
A
feeble truth commission was quickly abandoned by President Boris
Yeltsin, and soon even the Soviet archives were closed, although not
before researchers like Vladimir Bukovsky
revealed some of the KGB's atrocities. The KGB's name was changed to
the FSB and its members quietly stayed in touch and intact. The result? A
mere nine years after the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Russia
elected a former KGB lieutenant colonel, Vladimir Putin, to the
presidency. It was the last meaningful election we ever had. We chose
unity and we got dictatorship.
America
should not make a similar mistake. The truth may hurt, but lies will do
far greater damage in the end. Americans should be prepared for a long
fight against these anti-democratic forces. The attack on the Capitol
has opened every eye; there can be no more feigned ignorance of the
crisis.
Many
Americans were shocked by how many of their compatriots, including
nearly all GOP officials, have been willing to go along with Trump's
open assault on the pillars of their open society, from the free press
to fair elections. As I warned early on, demagogues don't find radicals
to lead, they steadily radicalize their followers one outrage at a time.
The culmination, so far, was January 6.
Hemingway
wrote in "For Whom the Bell Tolls": "There are many who do not know
they are fascists but will find it out when the time comes." The time
has come, and we are finding them out. Fortuitously, they are inclined
to boast of their transgressions on Instagram and from the Senate floor,
which makes them easy to find.
The
question is if the will exists to apply the justice they deserve.
Failing to do so will not mollify them. They are living in an alternate
universe, where 70% of Republican voters say that Republican lawmakers
who tried to stop the certification of Joe Biden's win in the 2020
presidential election were "protecting democracy," according to a Quinnipiac poll
taken AFTER the assault on the Capitol Trump incited. Seventy-three
percent told pollsters they thought Trump, too, was "protecting"
democracy.
Perhaps the most ominous number is the 24% of Republican voters who don't accept the results of the election, according to an NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist survey last month, leaving the question of whether they will accept the results of any election ever again.
Coups
aside, this was always the greatest threat of Trump's rhetoric, and a
result that will delight dictators like Putin, who are always eager to
denigrate democracy and its champions. At its core, democracy is an act
of faith, a shared belief that the people can fairly act in the common
good by choosing their leaders. Destroying the faith in the system will
destroy the American experiment.
This is precisely what we are trying to counter at the Renew Democracy Initiative.
We are launching a campaign dedicated to the simple phrase, "what
democracy means to me," in the hopes of reminding everyone what a luxury
it is for every citizen to have a say in the course of their lives and
of their nation.
Democracy
isn't liberal or conservative, not left or right -- at least it isn't
supposed to be. Millions of Americans currently believe that democracy
isn't working, or even that it isn't worth saving. The battle to prove
them wrong isn't over, it's just begun.
The
correct response is the dispassionate application of the law. Not
political persecution, but nor politically motivated leniency, either.
We don't have to choose between unity and justice. Avoiding doing the
right thing will only prolong the crisis and give aid and comfort to
enemies of the state and of the peace.
^^^...this is how I feel logically.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Technically, it was not that long ago that an armed protester was shot by a member of the military at the Texas state capital. I don’t remember many around here supporting the death of that individual...I, personally, hope no one gets “smashed to pieces”, police nor citizens. I hope the week comes and goes without any major incident. Seems like that’s a weekly hope these days.
You don't need to protest peacefully with a weapon strapped to you.
You don’t have to tell me that (I sure as hell wouldn’t) but they do have the legal right to do so. I sure am not going to wish death on people protesting in a legally protected way.
I have no idea what incident you're talking about but I'm an actual supporter of the Constitution and our Republic, unlike these fucking traitors. So if they protest peacefully, no problem. But a little bit of me hopes the militia assholes do something and let the guard and military unleash. Come and take it.
"But a little bit of me hopes the militia assholes do something and let the guard and military unleash. Come and take it. "
(CNN)As terrible as the events of Jan. 6 were -- and I'm on the record warning of "the unimaginable" -- I'm going to repeat what I said after Election Day: It's not over.
Garry Kasparov
This
battle against anti-democratic extremism didn't end when a right-wing
mob invaded the United States Capitol and five people died, including
one police officer. It didn't end when Twitter and other social media
platforms finally muzzled President Donald Trump -- although that was a
heavier blow in this fight than most. And it won't end when Joe Biden is
inaugurated on January 20.
Beating
Trump was an essential step, of course. Four years of his thuggery and
demagoguery were enough to bring American democracy to its knees. Four
more might have finished it off. Had fewer than 45,000 votes across
three key states gone the other way on Election Day, we'd be plunging
toward authoritarian rule, and discussing which of Trump's children
would take over in 2024.
Narrowly dodging that metaphorical bullet was no protection against the threat of real bullets,
as the attack on the Capitol proved. And there will be more violence,
especially if the Capitol perpetrators and those who incited them --
starting with the President -- are not held accountable.
The
correct response is the dispassionate application of the law. Not
political persecution, but nor politically motivated leniency, either.
We don't have to choose between unity and justice. Avoiding doing the
right thing will only prolong the crisis and give aid and comfort to
enemies of the state and of the peace. Our Founding Fathers failed to
resolve the historical challenge of slavery, passing a bloody Civil War
on to future generations. Despite Abraham Lincoln's assassination,
Reconstruction allowed the South a "defeat with honor," decades of Jim
Crow, and the pernicious Lost Cause mythology that persists today.
Consider
the repugnant image of a Trumpist Capitol invader carrying a
Confederate flag in a building that Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson
only dreamed of conquering. No new mythology should be allowed to sprout
from this vile transgression. The worst result would be letting the
mutineers off the hook -- and this includes the elected officials who
encouraged them, like Sens. Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley and especially
President Trump. That they, and scores of other Republicans, continued
to attack the integrity of the election even now is beyond the pale.
The
perpetrators won't become heroes or martyrs if the process of justice
is not unduly politicized. It would be a blunder for the left to turn a
clear case of criminal justice into a battleground for racial justice,
which would help the Trumpist Republicans twist their illegal
insurrection into the culture war they crave. White supremacy is a
terrible evil of American history, and Trump and his followers' traffic
in it is repugnant, but we should not overburden a clear-cut criminal
proceeding with the cleansing of sins.
Ted Cruz's fight for the man he once called 'sniveling coward' 01:58
History
teaches us the cost of well-meaning but shortsighted attempts to
sacrifice justice for unity. Russians learned this in the hardest
possible way after the fall of the Soviet Union. As I discussed at
length in my book, Winter Is Coming, they declined to root out the KGB
security state in the interest of national harmony. It would be too
traumatic, our leaders said, to expose the countless atrocities the
Soviet security forces committed and to punish their authors.
A
feeble truth commission was quickly abandoned by President Boris
Yeltsin, and soon even the Soviet archives were closed, although not
before researchers like Vladimir Bukovsky
revealed some of the KGB's atrocities. The KGB's name was changed to
the FSB and its members quietly stayed in touch and intact. The result? A
mere nine years after the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Russia
elected a former KGB lieutenant colonel, Vladimir Putin, to the
presidency. It was the last meaningful election we ever had. We chose
unity and we got dictatorship.
America
should not make a similar mistake. The truth may hurt, but lies will do
far greater damage in the end. Americans should be prepared for a long
fight against these anti-democratic forces. The attack on the Capitol
has opened every eye; there can be no more feigned ignorance of the
crisis.
Many
Americans were shocked by how many of their compatriots, including
nearly all GOP officials, have been willing to go along with Trump's
open assault on the pillars of their open society, from the free press
to fair elections. As I warned early on, demagogues don't find radicals
to lead, they steadily radicalize their followers one outrage at a time.
The culmination, so far, was January 6.
Hemingway
wrote in "For Whom the Bell Tolls": "There are many who do not know
they are fascists but will find it out when the time comes." The time
has come, and we are finding them out. Fortuitously, they are inclined
to boast of their transgressions on Instagram and from the Senate floor,
which makes them easy to find.
The
question is if the will exists to apply the justice they deserve.
Failing to do so will not mollify them. They are living in an alternate
universe, where 70% of Republican voters say that Republican lawmakers
who tried to stop the certification of Joe Biden's win in the 2020
presidential election were "protecting democracy," according to a Quinnipiac poll
taken AFTER the assault on the Capitol Trump incited. Seventy-three
percent told pollsters they thought Trump, too, was "protecting"
democracy.
Perhaps the most ominous number is the 24% of Republican voters who don't accept the results of the election, according to an NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist survey last month, leaving the question of whether they will accept the results of any election ever again.
Coups
aside, this was always the greatest threat of Trump's rhetoric, and a
result that will delight dictators like Putin, who are always eager to
denigrate democracy and its champions. At its core, democracy is an act
of faith, a shared belief that the people can fairly act in the common
good by choosing their leaders. Destroying the faith in the system will
destroy the American experiment.
This is precisely what we are trying to counter at the Renew Democracy Initiative.
We are launching a campaign dedicated to the simple phrase, "what
democracy means to me," in the hopes of reminding everyone what a luxury
it is for every citizen to have a say in the course of their lives and
of their nation.
Democracy
isn't liberal or conservative, not left or right -- at least it isn't
supposed to be. Millions of Americans currently believe that democracy
isn't working, or even that it isn't worth saving. The battle to prove
them wrong isn't over, it's just begun.
The
correct response is the dispassionate application of the law. Not
political persecution, but nor politically motivated leniency, either.
We don't have to choose between unity and justice. Avoiding doing the
right thing will only prolong the crisis and give aid and comfort to
enemies of the state and of the peace.
^^^...this is how I feel logically.
Yes, thank you!
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F Me In The Brain
this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 30,589
Technically, it was not that long ago that an armed protester was shot by a member of the military at the Texas state capital. I don’t remember many around here supporting the death of that individual...I, personally, hope no one gets “smashed to pieces”, police nor citizens. I hope the week comes and goes without any major incident. Seems like that’s a weekly hope these days.
You don't need to protest peacefully with a weapon strapped to you.
You don’t have to tell me that (I sure as hell wouldn’t) but they do have the legal right to do so. I sure am not going to wish death on people protesting in a legally protected way.
I do not wish death on them....but I do wish they got their asses kicked. I don't care that it is legal - - anyone who carries a semi automatic assault weapon openly like that to a so called peaceful protest deserves to have an ass whooping. They are only looking to cause trouble. No point in carrying that gun unless you plan to use it....and that is awful. My opinion.
Technically, it was not that long ago that an armed protester was shot by a member of the military at the Texas state capital. I don’t remember many around here supporting the death of that individual...I, personally, hope no one gets “smashed to pieces”, police nor citizens. I hope the week comes and goes without any major incident. Seems like that’s a weekly hope these days.
You don't need to protest peacefully with a weapon strapped to you.
You don’t have to tell me that (I sure as hell wouldn’t) but they do have the legal right to do so. I sure am not going to wish death on people protesting in a legally protected way.
I have no idea what incident you're talking about but I'm an actual supporter of the Constitution and our Republic, unlike these fucking traitors. So if they protest peacefully, no problem. But a little bit of me hopes the militia assholes do something and let the guard and military unleash. Come and take it.
"But a little bit of me hopes the militia assholes do something and let the guard and military unleash. Come and take it. "
(CNN)As terrible as the events of Jan. 6 were -- and I'm on the record warning of "the unimaginable" -- I'm going to repeat what I said after Election Day: It's not over.
Garry Kasparov
This
battle against anti-democratic extremism didn't end when a right-wing
mob invaded the United States Capitol and five people died, including
one police officer. It didn't end when Twitter and other social media
platforms finally muzzled President Donald Trump -- although that was a
heavier blow in this fight than most. And it won't end when Joe Biden is
inaugurated on January 20.
Beating
Trump was an essential step, of course. Four years of his thuggery and
demagoguery were enough to bring American democracy to its knees. Four
more might have finished it off. Had fewer than 45,000 votes across
three key states gone the other way on Election Day, we'd be plunging
toward authoritarian rule, and discussing which of Trump's children
would take over in 2024.
Narrowly dodging that metaphorical bullet was no protection against the threat of real bullets,
as the attack on the Capitol proved. And there will be more violence,
especially if the Capitol perpetrators and those who incited them --
starting with the President -- are not held accountable.
The
correct response is the dispassionate application of the law. Not
political persecution, but nor politically motivated leniency, either.
We don't have to choose between unity and justice. Avoiding doing the
right thing will only prolong the crisis and give aid and comfort to
enemies of the state and of the peace. Our Founding Fathers failed to
resolve the historical challenge of slavery, passing a bloody Civil War
on to future generations. Despite Abraham Lincoln's assassination,
Reconstruction allowed the South a "defeat with honor," decades of Jim
Crow, and the pernicious Lost Cause mythology that persists today.
Consider
the repugnant image of a Trumpist Capitol invader carrying a
Confederate flag in a building that Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson
only dreamed of conquering. No new mythology should be allowed to sprout
from this vile transgression. The worst result would be letting the
mutineers off the hook -- and this includes the elected officials who
encouraged them, like Sens. Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley and especially
President Trump. That they, and scores of other Republicans, continued
to attack the integrity of the election even now is beyond the pale.
The
perpetrators won't become heroes or martyrs if the process of justice
is not unduly politicized. It would be a blunder for the left to turn a
clear case of criminal justice into a battleground for racial justice,
which would help the Trumpist Republicans twist their illegal
insurrection into the culture war they crave. White supremacy is a
terrible evil of American history, and Trump and his followers' traffic
in it is repugnant, but we should not overburden a clear-cut criminal
proceeding with the cleansing of sins.
Ted Cruz's fight for the man he once called 'sniveling coward' 01:58
History
teaches us the cost of well-meaning but shortsighted attempts to
sacrifice justice for unity. Russians learned this in the hardest
possible way after the fall of the Soviet Union. As I discussed at
length in my book, Winter Is Coming, they declined to root out the KGB
security state in the interest of national harmony. It would be too
traumatic, our leaders said, to expose the countless atrocities the
Soviet security forces committed and to punish their authors.
A
feeble truth commission was quickly abandoned by President Boris
Yeltsin, and soon even the Soviet archives were closed, although not
before researchers like Vladimir Bukovsky
revealed some of the KGB's atrocities. The KGB's name was changed to
the FSB and its members quietly stayed in touch and intact. The result? A
mere nine years after the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Russia
elected a former KGB lieutenant colonel, Vladimir Putin, to the
presidency. It was the last meaningful election we ever had. We chose
unity and we got dictatorship.
America
should not make a similar mistake. The truth may hurt, but lies will do
far greater damage in the end. Americans should be prepared for a long
fight against these anti-democratic forces. The attack on the Capitol
has opened every eye; there can be no more feigned ignorance of the
crisis.
Many
Americans were shocked by how many of their compatriots, including
nearly all GOP officials, have been willing to go along with Trump's
open assault on the pillars of their open society, from the free press
to fair elections. As I warned early on, demagogues don't find radicals
to lead, they steadily radicalize their followers one outrage at a time.
The culmination, so far, was January 6.
Hemingway
wrote in "For Whom the Bell Tolls": "There are many who do not know
they are fascists but will find it out when the time comes." The time
has come, and we are finding them out. Fortuitously, they are inclined
to boast of their transgressions on Instagram and from the Senate floor,
which makes them easy to find.
The
question is if the will exists to apply the justice they deserve.
Failing to do so will not mollify them. They are living in an alternate
universe, where 70% of Republican voters say that Republican lawmakers
who tried to stop the certification of Joe Biden's win in the 2020
presidential election were "protecting democracy," according to a Quinnipiac poll
taken AFTER the assault on the Capitol Trump incited. Seventy-three
percent told pollsters they thought Trump, too, was "protecting"
democracy.
Perhaps the most ominous number is the 24% of Republican voters who don't accept the results of the election, according to an NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist survey last month, leaving the question of whether they will accept the results of any election ever again.
Coups
aside, this was always the greatest threat of Trump's rhetoric, and a
result that will delight dictators like Putin, who are always eager to
denigrate democracy and its champions. At its core, democracy is an act
of faith, a shared belief that the people can fairly act in the common
good by choosing their leaders. Destroying the faith in the system will
destroy the American experiment.
This is precisely what we are trying to counter at the Renew Democracy Initiative.
We are launching a campaign dedicated to the simple phrase, "what
democracy means to me," in the hopes of reminding everyone what a luxury
it is for every citizen to have a say in the course of their lives and
of their nation.
Democracy
isn't liberal or conservative, not left or right -- at least it isn't
supposed to be. Millions of Americans currently believe that democracy
isn't working, or even that it isn't worth saving. The battle to prove
them wrong isn't over, it's just begun.
The
correct response is the dispassionate application of the law. Not
political persecution, but nor politically motivated leniency, either.
We don't have to choose between unity and justice. Avoiding doing the
right thing will only prolong the crisis and give aid and comfort to
enemies of the state and of the peace.
^^^...this is how I feel logically.
Yes, thank you!
Who is saying otherwise? I'm saying if the try this bullshit again, they will meet their rightful punishment. And it's not asking them to leave politely. Let them come. They think they're spilling the blood of patriots, but they're not. It's the blood of sedition.
Technically, it was not that long ago that an armed protester was shot by a member of the military at the Texas state capital. I don’t remember many around here supporting the death of that individual...I, personally, hope no one gets “smashed to pieces”, police nor citizens. I hope the week comes and goes without any major incident. Seems like that’s a weekly hope these days.
You don't need to protest peacefully with a weapon strapped to you.
You don’t have to tell me that (I sure as hell wouldn’t) but they do have the legal right to do so. I sure am not going to wish death on people protesting in a legally protected way.
I do not wish death on them....but I do wish they got their asses kicked. I don't care that it is legal - - anyone who carries a semi automatic assault weapon openly like that to a so called peaceful protest deserves to have an ass whooping. They are only looking to cause trouble. No point in carrying that gun unless you plan to use it....and that is awful. My opinion.
Kind of has that same feel from the old 'To Catch a Predator' shows. What were they? 49 hours or a Dateline?
Either way, a 35 year old man shows up to what he believes is a 14 year old girls house with beer, condoms, cigarettes and lingerie. When confronted by Chris Hansen replies "I didn't know she was underage. I wasn't really doing to do anything with her."
"A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
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Ha. Right. No way you go there unless you are looking for trouble
Great piece by the AP. They're going after all these snakes who organized and supported the capitol riot event. Many tied to the Trump campaign. If the press can get this information, I hope the FBI is running this like a RICO case and ready to nail people and watch them all flip on each other trying to avoid going to federal prison.
My only fear is that Biden will let this all slide in hopes of moving past it much like Obama let those shit bag financial institutions off the hook at the beginning of his presidency.
Great piece by the AP. They're going after all these snakes who organized and supported the capitol riot event. Many tied to the Trump campaign. If the press can get this information, I hope the FBI is running this like a RICO case and ready to nail people and watch them all flip on each other trying to avoid going to federal prison.
My only fear is that Biden will let this all slide in hopes of moving past it much like Obama let those shit bag financial institutions off the hook at the beginning of his presidency.
I like how they are blocking the AP on social media. It means they are freaking out about the consequences. I love the thought of these fuckers squirming and losing sleep over what might happen. it's as good as seeing the people who actually stormed the Capitol after they have gotten arrested.
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brianlux
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Great piece by the AP. They're going after all these snakes who organized and supported the capitol riot event. Many tied to the Trump campaign. If the press can get this information, I hope the FBI is running this like a RICO case and ready to nail people and watch them all flip on each other trying to avoid going to federal prison.
My only fear is that Biden will let this all slide in hopes of moving past it much like Obama let those shit bag financial institutions off the hook at the beginning of his presidency.
Obama didn’t let the financial institutions off the hook. They paid in dollars despite the criticism. Individuals didn’t pay and they should have. Obama’s greatest failure was letting the Iraq war hawks, those responsible for selling it to the American people, off the hook. That contributed to what we’re experiencing today.
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I saw Mace on one of the Sunday morning news shows. She hit tRump pretty hard.
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As I understand it, Boebert has denied the allegation & said she gave no tours between the 3rd & 6th.
Whether or not she gave a tour in that time frame should be pretty easy to prove or disprove, I would think; beyond that, who knows?
I would be surprised if she is that stupid....but yeah I would think security footage should exist
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How the hell did this happen, stealing a laptop to send to the Russians. Millions of american citizens were fooled by a con man, and still deny Trump did anything wrong. This is all so unbelievable!
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The new video that The New Yorker released is pretty nuts. People going full on vandals. People with different missions. There were people grabbing all the congressmen's notes, taking pictures of them, stealing them.... people like that Viking horn guy who was just an attention whore and a tourist and trump fan. A guy in full military gear pleading with people not to clown around because "this is a PR War". People who were obviously looking for Senators "Where are they?".
Lots of it was disturbing.
Not really sure I understand what they want? trump installed as president and no questions asked?
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If they do that and are met with military response, then they should have understood that to be a risk. I’m not going to wish death on those legally protesting, though.
The correct response is the dispassionate application of the law. Not political persecution, but nor politically motivated leniency, either. We don't have to choose between unity and justice. Avoiding doing the right thing will only prolong the crisis and give aid and comfort to enemies of the state and of the peace.
^^^...this is how I feel logically.
My opinion.
Either way, a 35 year old man shows up to what he believes is a 14 year old girls house with beer, condoms, cigarettes and lingerie. When confronted by Chris Hansen replies "I didn't know she was underage. I wasn't really doing to do anything with her."
No way you go there unless you are looking for trouble
My only fear is that Biden will let this all slide in hopes of moving past it much like Obama let those shit bag financial institutions off the hook at the beginning of his presidency.
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-capitol-siege-campaigns-elections-d14c78d53b3a212658223252fec87e99
Can he do that? It would have to be before Wednesday, right? The thought of that happening is vexing! Wednesday can't come and go soon enough.
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From what I understand, she has a warrant for her arrest but has not been found. I hope they get her and lock her up for a long time.
I saw Mace on one of the Sunday morning news shows. She hit tRump pretty hard.
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As I understand it, Boebert has denied the allegation & said she gave no tours between the 3rd & 6th.
Whether or not she gave a tour in that time frame should be pretty easy to prove or disprove, I would think; beyond that, who knows?
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that's pretty stupid. or just deplorable.
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I think stupid is out the window with this one, I think she's a full on believer in the cult.
https://twitter.com/rzstprogramming/status/1348342193136742401?s=21
Throw her in jail!
Lots of it was disturbing.
Not really sure I understand what they want? trump installed as president and no questions asked?
For tweeting Pelosi's position during the riots.