2020 Fall North American rumour thread

Matts3221 said:

I just think at this point they should scrape the North American Dates , refund everyone and just put together another tour when they can. I don't think 2021 is going to have concerts. I really hope I am wrong but I just don't see it happening.  At least in the US.

I'm ok if they delay it to 2022.  I would note I'm completely biased as we're holding onto GA tickets for back to back nights in Oakland.   The odds of pulling that off again seem slim

Matts3221 said:

I just think at this point they should scrape the North American Dates , refund everyone and just put together another tour when they can. I don't think 2021 is going to have concerts. I really hope I am wrong but I just don't see it happening.  At least in the US.

They gave anyone who needed their money back an opportunity to get a refund.  The rest of us would like to hold our tickets until the dust settles. Even if it’s in 2022. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJNB said:

What if (yes a big if) they came out with the vaccine in March. From March to June the majority of the population that is most at risk to this virus are vaccinated. Would that not be enough for us to have concerts again? Hospitalizations would be down, deaths would be down, do we really need to vaccinate everyone to get back to normal in peoples opinions? If I knew that the vaccine worked and the majority of the population that was at risk were protected I would be comfortable to go to a concert without hesitation. 

you can't roll out a vaccine to the majority of the population that quickly. fauci even thinks we'll have a vaccine by the end of this year, and won't have everyone vaccinated until the latter months of 2021. 

That is exactly what I am saying we do not need though. 

on2legs said:

Matts3221 said:

I just think at this point they should scrape the North American Dates , refund everyone and just put together another tour when they can. I don't think 2021 is going to have concerts. I really hope I am wrong but I just don't see it happening.  At least in the US.

They gave anyone who needed their money back an opportunity to get a refund.  The rest of us would like to hold our tickets until the dust settles. Even if it’s in 2022. 

I agree, however, most people who held tickets probably expected the shows to be in 2021.  That could still happen, but if the shows are delayed beyond 2021, I would hope another refund window would be offered.

I don’t think public health officials will sign off on capacity indoor shows until 75% of people are vaccinated, unless the treatment drugs become highly effective and available, which could happen first.  All we can do is wait and see.  Sooooo frustrating!

RatherStarved said:

on2legs said:

Matts3221 said:

I just think at this point they should scrape the North American Dates , refund everyone and just put together another tour when they can. I don't think 2021 is going to have concerts. I really hope I am wrong but I just don't see it happening.  At least in the US.

They gave anyone who needed their money back an opportunity to get a refund.  The rest of us would like to hold our tickets until the dust settles. Even if it’s in 2022. 

I agree, however, most people who held tickets probably expected the shows to be in 2021.  That could still happen, but if the shows are delayed beyond 2021, I would hope another refund window would be offered.

I don’t think public health officials will sign off on capacity indoor shows until 75% of people are vaccinated, unless the treatment drugs become highly effective and available, which could happen first.  All we can do is wait and see.  Sooooo frustrating!

Absolutely in favor of another refund window.  That’s only fair if there will be a postponement beyond 2021. 

PJNB said:

RatherStarved said:

on2legs said:

Matts3221 said:

I just think at this point they should scrape the North American Dates , refund everyone and just put together another tour when they can. I don't think 2021 is going to have concerts. I really hope I am wrong but I just don't see it happening.  At least in the US.

They gave anyone who needed their money back an opportunity to get a refund.  The rest of us would like to hold our tickets until the dust settles. Even if it’s in 2022. 

I agree, however, most people who held tickets probably expected the shows to be in 2021.  That could still happen, but if the shows are delayed beyond 2021, I would hope another refund window would be offered.

I don’t think public health officials will sign off on capacity indoor shows until 75% of people are vaccinated, unless the treatment drugs become highly effective and available, which could happen first.  All we can do is wait and see.  Sooooo frustrating!

I do not think we will ever hit 75% vaccination of NA unless it is a mandatory vaccine. We will not have a mandatory vaccine I am guessing for either country so where does that put us if only 30%-40% of the pop takes it? We all still suffer? 

I don’t know, but it will probably mean we have to wait until 75% of people have either had the vaccine or the virus.

PJNB said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJNB said:

What if (yes a big if) they came out with the vaccine in March. From March to June the majority of the population that is most at risk to this virus are vaccinated. Would that not be enough for us to have concerts again? Hospitalizations would be down, deaths would be down, do we really need to vaccinate everyone to get back to normal in peoples opinions? If I knew that the vaccine worked and the majority of the population that was at risk were protected I would be comfortable to go to a concert without hesitation. 

you can't roll out a vaccine to the majority of the population that quickly. fauci even thinks we'll have a vaccine by the end of this year, and won't have everyone vaccinated until the latter months of 2021. 

That is exactly what I am saying we do not need though. 

you kind of do.  The problem with coronavirus isn't only that it's more lethel.  It's it's level of contagious.  Even if only .2% of young people that get it die... That's 40 people in an Arena of 20000.   I think it's contagiousness is the most insidious thing about it... it gets people in quantity of over quality.

PJNB said:

What if (yes a big if) they came out with the vaccine in March. From March to June the majority of the population that is most at risk to this virus are vaccinated. Would that not be enough for us to have concerts again? Hospitalizations would be down, deaths would be down, do we really need to vaccinate everyone to get back to normal in peoples opinions? If I knew that the vaccine worked and the majority of the population that was at risk were protected I would be comfortable to go to a concert without hesitation. 

I listened to a retired British doctor, last week on CNN, who succinctly imparted and expanded on what others have said:

- Vaccine likely this year, or early next
- Vaccines will be widely available by middle of next year.
- Vaccine is highly unlikely to be 100% effective. 70% would be great, but would still leave more than 1 in 4 people susceptible to Covid-19 after vaccination.
- Between the unlucky, and the anti-vaxers, the disease will continue to spread and mutate, unless...
- We mask and social distance for months following vaccination. 

None of this sounds good for concerts in 2021.

I think offering another refund window for those who need it is great, while allowing others to keep their tickets.

I for one am wanting to hold onto my tickets until it happens (knowing that is probably quite a while).