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  • darthvedderdarthvedder Posts: 2,020
    Billy Joel Notre Dame stadium show for the last Saturday in June 2021 has been moved to the same weekend in 2022.  Just announced on Friday.  He still has other stadium shows this summer that have not been moved to 2022...yet.  Not that I’m going to any of those but it’s interesting to see how long before they confirm or cancel the others.  GNR still have a NA stadium tour on the cards for this summer as well.  I dunno, doesn’t seem very likely to have anything on that scale at the moment.  

    The Hella Mega Green Day/Fall Out Boy/Weezer tour is still scheduled for this summer, as well.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 4,046
    Zod said:
    Well, if you live on the East coast, this would be great. Those of us who live in the Midwest or West coast might have some difficulties and a lot more expense. A flight from the St Louis area and lodging in NYC vs a 3 hour drive? Having said that, I would probably find a way to make it.
    I’m in Toronto and gambling on the border reopening on top of all that.  But I’m not missing this show if it happens.  I’ll apply for a green card if I have to...
    All you need to do is fly instead of drive.   It's only the land border that's closed.  Plus if the US reopens, we can defacto travel, because Canadian's are permitted to come home.  So if the US lets us in, we're allowed to go back.

    In my case the major issue would be if they reschedule the Oakland shows before I'm vaccinated,, but I'm hoping it's a non-issue.
    There is also the matter of the quarantine.  I want to see PJ at these fests if they happen, but do I want to be under house arrest for two weeks afterwards? Or worse, hotel quarantine with guards? What is this world coming to?


     Quarantine seemed to work in Australia. They completely eliminated domestic cases and the instant one case leaks out of the quarantine hotels they lock down for the overwhelming ask of five days then they go back to normal. This might be the only way to beat covid.

    They are having 70,000 fans at footy games right now, not 2022.

     70,000. And that’s without masks. And they have two big cities with population over 5 million.

    Regarding speculation on concerts retuning to America, I am paying attention to what doctors are saying about booster shots possibly being needed within a year. If that’s so, concerts may not be back until we learn to deal with covid like the few countries that have been able to successfully deal with it. Booster shot means variants would be defeating the current vaccines.
  • RatherStarvedRatherStarved Posts: 1,294
    Zod said:
    Well, if you live on the East coast, this would be great. Those of us who live in the Midwest or West coast might have some difficulties and a lot more expense. A flight from the St Louis area and lodging in NYC vs a 3 hour drive? Having said that, I would probably find a way to make it.
    I’m in Toronto and gambling on the border reopening on top of all that.  But I’m not missing this show if it happens.  I’ll apply for a green card if I have to...
    All you need to do is fly instead of drive.   It's only the land border that's closed.  Plus if the US reopens, we can defacto travel, because Canadian's are permitted to come home.  So if the US lets us in, we're allowed to go back.

    In my case the major issue would be if they reschedule the Oakland shows before I'm vaccinated,, but I'm hoping it's a non-issue.
    There is also the matter of the quarantine.  I want to see PJ at these fests if they happen, but do I want to be under house arrest for two weeks afterwards? Or worse, hotel quarantine with guards? What is this world coming to?


     Quarantine seemed to work in Australia. They completely eliminated domestic cases and the instant one case leaks out of the quarantine hotels they lock down for the overwhelming ask of five days then they go back to normal. This might be the only way to beat covid.

    They are having 70,000 fans at footy games right now, not 2022.

     70,000. And that’s without masks. And they have two big cities with population over 5 million.

    Regarding speculation on concerts retuning to America, I am paying attention to what doctors are saying about booster shots possibly being needed within a year. If that’s so, concerts may not be back until we learn to deal with covid like the few countries that have been able to successfully deal with it. Booster shot means variants would be defeating the current vaccines.
    Well it sure isn’t working up here.  We have more cases than ever.  And increasingly protests in the streets about lockdown measures.  It’s not a good scene at all.  
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 4,046
    Zod said:
    Well, if you live on the East coast, this would be great. Those of us who live in the Midwest or West coast might have some difficulties and a lot more expense. A flight from the St Louis area and lodging in NYC vs a 3 hour drive? Having said that, I would probably find a way to make it.
    I’m in Toronto and gambling on the border reopening on top of all that.  But I’m not missing this show if it happens.  I’ll apply for a green card if I have to...
    All you need to do is fly instead of drive.   It's only the land border that's closed.  Plus if the US reopens, we can defacto travel, because Canadian's are permitted to come home.  So if the US lets us in, we're allowed to go back.

    In my case the major issue would be if they reschedule the Oakland shows before I'm vaccinated,, but I'm hoping it's a non-issue.
    There is also the matter of the quarantine.  I want to see PJ at these fests if they happen, but do I want to be under house arrest for two weeks afterwards? Or worse, hotel quarantine with guards? What is this world coming to?


     Quarantine seemed to work in Australia. They completely eliminated domestic cases and the instant one case leaks out of the quarantine hotels they lock down for the overwhelming ask of five days then they go back to normal. This might be the only way to beat covid.

    They are having 70,000 fans at footy games right now, not 2022.

     70,000. And that’s without masks. And they have two big cities with population over 5 million.

    Regarding speculation on concerts retuning to America, I am paying attention to what doctors are saying about booster shots possibly being needed within a year. If that’s so, concerts may not be back until we learn to deal with covid like the few countries that have been able to successfully deal with it. Booster shot means variants would be defeating the current vaccines.
    Well it sure isn’t working up here.  We have more cases than ever.  And increasingly protests in the streets about lockdown measures.  It’s not a good scene at all.  

    Are schools open by you? Here in NY suburbs they’ve been open since Labor Day and at 100% capacity 4-5 days a week since New Years . The state and media almost never brings up NY cases have been about worst in country for a couple months and pretend school is completely safe. 

    The USA and Europe have not been able to keep up with covid, so if health experts are thinking we will need booster shots, which could take 6-8 months to identify develop and deploy (plenty of time for a variant to wreck substantial damage) that doesn’t sound like things will be normal until we beat this the old fashioned way. Australia and others have proven how to do it, with fans in the stands.


  • DM282158DM282158 Beverly, MAPosts: 288
    edited April 12
    Australia has much less people and are an isolated island in the pacific. Figure it’s easier to contain a contagious virus when you can easily restrict international travel and remain isolated. Not to mention a different economic structure.  As opposed to a big country with 50 states (and 50 different protocol standard). My two cents anyway. Brighter days ahead peeps! 🤘✌️
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  • DEGBTIDEGBTI san diegoPosts: 323
    nobody or country will "beat Covid". It's here to stay. Quarantine all you want. It will still be here when you come out. So, whats the option? Vaccines. Simple as that. World needs to move on. Impossible to stay quarantined forever, unless you want to. Have fun with that.
  • D-RodD-Rod Posts: 1,017
    Zod said:
    Well, if you live on the East coast, this would be great. Those of us who live in the Midwest or West coast might have some difficulties and a lot more expense. A flight from the St Louis area and lodging in NYC vs a 3 hour drive? Having said that, I would probably find a way to make it.
    I’m in Toronto and gambling on the border reopening on top of all that.  But I’m not missing this show if it happens.  I’ll apply for a green card if I have to...
    All you need to do is fly instead of drive.   It's only the land border that's closed.  Plus if the US reopens, we can defacto travel, because Canadian's are permitted to come home.  So if the US lets us in, we're allowed to go back.

    In my case the major issue would be if they reschedule the Oakland shows before I'm vaccinated,, but I'm hoping it's a non-issue.
    There is also the matter of the quarantine.  I want to see PJ at these fests if they happen, but do I want to be under house arrest for two weeks afterwards? Or worse, hotel quarantine with guards? What is this world coming to?


     Quarantine seemed to work in Australia. They completely eliminated domestic cases and the instant one case leaks out of the quarantine hotels they lock down for the overwhelming ask of five days then they go back to normal. This might be the only way to beat covid.

    They are having 70,000 fans at footy games right now, not 2022.

     70,000. And that’s without masks. And they have two big cities with population over 5 million.

    Regarding speculation on concerts retuning to America, I am paying attention to what doctors are saying about booster shots possibly being needed within a year. If that’s so, concerts may not be back until we learn to deal with covid like the few countries that have been able to successfully deal with it. Booster shot means variants would be defeating the current vaccines.
    Well it sure isn’t working up here.  We have more cases than ever.  And increasingly protests in the streets about lockdown measures.  It’s not a good scene at all.  

    Are schools open by you? Here in NY suburbs they’ve been open since Labor Day and at 100% capacity 4-5 days a week since New Years . The state and media almost never brings up NY cases have been about worst in country for a couple months and pretend school is completely safe. 

    The USA and Europe have not been able to keep up with covid, so if health experts are thinking we will need booster shots, which could take 6-8 months to identify develop and deploy (plenty of time for a variant to wreck substantial damage) that doesn’t sound like things will be normal until we beat this the old fashioned way. Australia and others have proven how to do it, with fans in the stands.


    Schools are hit and miss up here.  Both my boys (17, 13) are still attending classes with some on line learning.  Other schools in the area have gone to on line only.  Those schools that have an outbreak.  Ontario is currently on April break so we’re waiting to see was happens next week. 

    My concern with Australia is when they finally open up international travel do they have massive out breaks.   It would be terrible  if in 2022 when life has returned to normal in many parts of the world Australia has to go into lock down. 
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  • RatherStarvedRatherStarved Posts: 1,294
    I would add that is is too late for North America to solve it the way Australia has, albeit unclear how long lasting Australia’s solution may be.  Canada tried the quarantine approach but it has largely failed.  My point is that given that it has failed it is time to reevaluate if the impact on freedom of movement which is a protected right of Canadians is warranted any longer.  Maybe it is, but it needs to be reviewed.  
  • jimjam1982jimjam1982 ArizonaPosts: 447
    Everything is open here, cases are plummeting. No one wears masks.  Sold out concerts coming to town starting in May.  "Pandemic" aka flu season is over. Let's fucking guy with the rescheduling.
  • PJNBPJNB New BrunswickPosts: 8,397
    Everything is open here, cases are plummeting. No one wears masks.  Sold out concerts coming to town starting in May.  "Pandemic" aka flu season is over. Let's fucking guy with the rescheduling.
    Sold out arena shows?
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  • on2legson2legs The Jersey ShorePosts: 10,945
    PJNB said:
    Everything is open here, cases are plummeting. No one wears masks.  Sold out concerts coming to town starting in May.  "Pandemic" aka flu season is over. Let's fucking guy with the rescheduling.
    Sold out arena shows?
    All is well in Trumpland.  
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  • PJNBPJNB New BrunswickPosts: 8,397
    on2legs said:
    PJNB said:
    Everything is open here, cases are plummeting. No one wears masks.  Sold out concerts coming to town starting in May.  "Pandemic" aka flu season is over. Let's fucking guy with the rescheduling.
    Sold out arena shows?
    All is well in Trumpland.  
    I have been following this closely but it is hard to follow everything. Are we saying Arizona is getting 21,000 people in an arena in May? 
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  • Weston1283Weston1283 Cleveland, OHPosts: 3,101
    Bonnaroo is sold out of all non basic GA tickets, I wouldn’t be surprised if it completely sells out over the next few weeks
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  • RatherStarvedRatherStarved Posts: 1,294
    Ontario is closing in person schools indefinitely.  Just announced today.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 26,059
    Everything is open here, cases are plummeting. No one wears masks.  Sold out concerts coming to town starting in May.  "Pandemic" aka flu season is over. Let's fucking guy with the rescheduling.
    you test positivity rate has been climbing steadily since March 21. 
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  • on2legson2legs The Jersey ShorePosts: 10,945
    PJNB said:
    on2legs said:
    PJNB said:
    Everything is open here, cases are plummeting. No one wears masks.  Sold out concerts coming to town starting in May.  "Pandemic" aka flu season is over. Let's fucking guy with the rescheduling.
    Sold out arena shows?
    All is well in Trumpland.  
    I have been following this closely but it is hard to follow everything. Are we saying Arizona is getting 21,000 people in an arena in May? 
    I have no idea where this guy is referring to... but Trumpland and Fantasy Land share the same zip code. 
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  • jimjam1982jimjam1982 ArizonaPosts: 447
    PJNB said:
    on2legs said:
    PJNB said:
    Everything is open here, cases are plummeting. No one wears masks.  Sold out concerts coming to town starting in May.  "Pandemic" aka flu season is over. Let's fucking guy with the rescheduling.
    Sold out arena shows?
    All is well in Trumpland.  
    I have been following this closely but it is hard to follow everything. Are we saying Arizona is getting 21,000 people in an arena in May? 
    Just theatres. Maybe 5k. No reason arena's / sheds aren't full by mid summer/early fall.  You can't wait until summer/fall to schedule these events.  Seriously, people need to turn of the news and go outside.  They will realize all is actually okay and you won't die (the science says so just look at global deaths and compare it to global population).  The only thing we have to fear is fear itself and people gave in to that fear.
  • DEGBTIDEGBTI san diegoPosts: 323
    edited April 12
    Everything is open here, cases are plummeting. No one wears masks.  Sold out concerts coming to town starting in May.  "Pandemic" aka flu season is over. Let's fucking guy with the rescheduling.
    you test positivity rate has been climbing steadily since March 21. 
    they actually are not climbing. The cases I am guessing you are referring to are old cases from winter that were not recorded. This inflated the current number of cases giving wrong info! This is why we should not trust the media. Listen to scientist and doctors. Not the news!!!

    Post edited by DEGBTI on
  • Lost In OhioLost In Ohio Posts: 5,573
    edited April 13
    Zod said:
    Well, if you live on the East coast, this would be great. Those of us who live in the Midwest or West coast might have some difficulties and a lot more expense. A flight from the St Louis area and lodging in NYC vs a 3 hour drive? Having said that, I would probably find a way to make it.
    I’m in Toronto and gambling on the border reopening on top of all that.  But I’m not missing this show if it happens.  I’ll apply for a green card if I have to...
    All you need to do is fly instead of drive.   It's only the land border that's closed.  Plus if the US reopens, we can defacto travel, because Canadian's are permitted to come home.  So if the US lets us in, we're allowed to go back.

    In my case the major issue would be if they reschedule the Oakland shows before I'm vaccinated,, but I'm hoping it's a non-issue.
    There is also the matter of the quarantine.  I want to see PJ at these fests if they happen, but do I want to be under house arrest for two weeks afterwards? Or worse, hotel quarantine with guards? What is this world coming to?


     Quarantine seemed to work in Australia. They completely eliminated domestic cases and the instant one case leaks out of the quarantine hotels they lock down for the overwhelming ask of five days then they go back to normal. This might be the only way to beat covid.

    They are having 70,000 fans at footy games right now, not 2022.

     70,000. And that’s without masks. And they have two big cities with population over 5 million.

    Regarding speculation on concerts retuning to America, I am paying attention to what doctors are saying about booster shots possibly being needed within a year. If that’s so, concerts may not be back until we learn to deal with covid like the few countries that have been able to successfully deal with it. Booster shot means variants would be defeating the current vaccines.
    Well it sure isn’t working up here.  We have more cases than ever.  And increasingly protests in the streets about lockdown measures.  It’s not a good scene at all.  

    One thing I don't know (but I suspect I know)... Do other countries, such as Australia, have the number of anti-maskers and people traveling all over the country, or do people generally wear masks and stay close to home?

    I also suspect that a lot of anti-vax people will quietly get the vaccine.

    If people really want to say "all lives matter" then they need to act like it. Stay in small groups, wear masks, be responsible and get the vaccine.
    Post edited by Lost In Ohio on
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  • D-RodD-Rod Posts: 1,017
    edited April 13
    Zod said:
    Well, if you live on the East coast, this would be great. Those of us who live in the Midwest or West coast might have some difficulties and a lot more expense. A flight from the St Louis area and lodging in NYC vs a 3 hour drive? Having said that, I would probably find a way to make it.
    I’m in Toronto and gambling on the border reopening on top of all that.  But I’m not missing this show if it happens.  I’ll apply for a green card if I have to...
    All you need to do is fly instead of drive.   It's only the land border that's closed.  Plus if the US reopens, we can defacto travel, because Canadian's are permitted to come home.  So if the US lets us in, we're allowed to go back.

    In my case the major issue would be if they reschedule the Oakland shows before I'm vaccinated,, but I'm hoping it's a non-issue.
    There is also the matter of the quarantine.  I want to see PJ at these fests if they happen, but do I want to be under house arrest for two weeks afterwards? Or worse, hotel quarantine with guards? What is this world coming to?


     Quarantine seemed to work in Australia. They completely eliminated domestic cases and the instant one case leaks out of the quarantine hotels they lock down for the overwhelming ask of five days then they go back to normal. This might be the only way to beat covid.

    They are having 70,000 fans at footy games right now, not 2022.

     70,000. And that’s without masks. And they have two big cities with population over 5 million.

    Regarding speculation on concerts retuning to America, I am paying attention to what doctors are saying about booster shots possibly being needed within a year. If that’s so, concerts may not be back until we learn to deal with covid like the few countries that have been able to successfully deal with it. Booster shot means variants would be defeating the current vaccines.
    Well it sure isn’t working up here.  We have more cases than ever.  And increasingly protests in the streets about lockdown measures.  It’s not a good scene at all.  

    One thing I don't know (but I suspect I know)... Do other countries, such as Australia, have the number of anti-maskers and people traveling all over the country, or do people generally wear masks and stay close to home?
    Almost all Canadian’s ( at least in Ontario ) have been following the mask mandate since last May.  I haven’t come across a single person not wearing a mask at any indoor public settings. We may bitch about wearing it but we still do. 

    I would be comfortable saying this applies to all of Canada.
    Post edited by D-Rod on
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  • RatherStarvedRatherStarved Posts: 1,294
    D-Rod said:
    Zod said:
    Well, if you live on the East coast, this would be great. Those of us who live in the Midwest or West coast might have some difficulties and a lot more expense. A flight from the St Louis area and lodging in NYC vs a 3 hour drive? Having said that, I would probably find a way to make it.
    I’m in Toronto and gambling on the border reopening on top of all that.  But I’m not missing this show if it happens.  I’ll apply for a green card if I have to...
    All you need to do is fly instead of drive.   It's only the land border that's closed.  Plus if the US reopens, we can defacto travel, because Canadian's are permitted to come home.  So if the US lets us in, we're allowed to go back.

    In my case the major issue would be if they reschedule the Oakland shows before I'm vaccinated,, but I'm hoping it's a non-issue.
    There is also the matter of the quarantine.  I want to see PJ at these fests if they happen, but do I want to be under house arrest for two weeks afterwards? Or worse, hotel quarantine with guards? What is this world coming to?


     Quarantine seemed to work in Australia. They completely eliminated domestic cases and the instant one case leaks out of the quarantine hotels they lock down for the overwhelming ask of five days then they go back to normal. This might be the only way to beat covid.

    They are having 70,000 fans at footy games right now, not 2022.

     70,000. And that’s without masks. And they have two big cities with population over 5 million.

    Regarding speculation on concerts retuning to America, I am paying attention to what doctors are saying about booster shots possibly being needed within a year. If that’s so, concerts may not be back until we learn to deal with covid like the few countries that have been able to successfully deal with it. Booster shot means variants would be defeating the current vaccines.
    Well it sure isn’t working up here.  We have more cases than ever.  And increasingly protests in the streets about lockdown measures.  It’s not a good scene at all.  

    One thing I don't know (but I suspect I know)... Do other countries, such as Australia, have the number of anti-maskers and people traveling all over the country, or do people generally wear masks and stay close to home?
    Almost all Canadian’s ( at least in Ontario ) have been following the mask mandate since last May.  I haven’t come across a single person not wearing a mask at any indoor public settings. We may bitch about wearing it but we still do. 

    I would be comfortable saying this applies to all of Canada.
    Masks aren’t politicized up here (much) but I would say outdoor usage is virtually non-existent.  Indoor usage is decent but I’d say 20% of people don’t cover their nose or mouth with it which defeats the purpose, and another 10% or so use masks made of materials that block very little air flow and may as well not be there.  Anyway I am fine with mask rules.  That’s reasonable.  Restricting freedom of movement is a whole other issue. 
  • ZodZod Posts: 7,533
    D-Rod said:
    Zod said:
    Well, if you live on the East coast, this would be great. Those of us who live in the Midwest or West coast might have some difficulties and a lot more expense. A flight from the St Louis area and lodging in NYC vs a 3 hour drive? Having said that, I would probably find a way to make it.
    I’m in Toronto and gambling on the border reopening on top of all that.  But I’m not missing this show if it happens.  I’ll apply for a green card if I have to...
    All you need to do is fly instead of drive.   It's only the land border that's closed.  Plus if the US reopens, we can defacto travel, because Canadian's are permitted to come home.  So if the US lets us in, we're allowed to go back.

    In my case the major issue would be if they reschedule the Oakland shows before I'm vaccinated,, but I'm hoping it's a non-issue.
    There is also the matter of the quarantine.  I want to see PJ at these fests if they happen, but do I want to be under house arrest for two weeks afterwards? Or worse, hotel quarantine with guards? What is this world coming to?


     Quarantine seemed to work in Australia. They completely eliminated domestic cases and the instant one case leaks out of the quarantine hotels they lock down for the overwhelming ask of five days then they go back to normal. This might be the only way to beat covid.

    They are having 70,000 fans at footy games right now, not 2022.

     70,000. And that’s without masks. And they have two big cities with population over 5 million.

    Regarding speculation on concerts retuning to America, I am paying attention to what doctors are saying about booster shots possibly being needed within a year. If that’s so, concerts may not be back until we learn to deal with covid like the few countries that have been able to successfully deal with it. Booster shot means variants would be defeating the current vaccines.
    Well it sure isn’t working up here.  We have more cases than ever.  And increasingly protests in the streets about lockdown measures.  It’s not a good scene at all.  

    One thing I don't know (but I suspect I know)... Do other countries, such as Australia, have the number of anti-maskers and people traveling all over the country, or do people generally wear masks and stay close to home?
    Almost all Canadian’s ( at least in Ontario ) have been following the mask mandate since last May.  I haven’t come across a single person not wearing a mask at any indoor public settings. We may bitch about wearing it but we still do. 

    I would be comfortable saying this applies to all of Canada.
    Masks aren’t politicized up here (much) but I would say outdoor usage is virtually non-existent.  Indoor usage is decent but I’d say 20% of people don’t cover their nose or mouth with it which defeats the purpose, and another 10% or so use masks made of materials that block very little air flow and may as well not be there.  Anyway I am fine with mask rules.  That’s reasonable.  Restricting freedom of movement is a whole other issue. 

    I'm not sure I'm for restricting freedom to travel, but I feel what Atlantic Canada is doing is the right way to go.  Form a safe travel bubble with neighboring provinces that have it under control.  Leave/Join when problems arise.  Require 14 day quarantine for anyone entering the bubble.

    It's pretty disheartening living in a tourism heavy area.  You've got the government saying don't travel, but there are no actual restrictions aside from no indoor eating at restaurants.   Any time we can handle on the virus it comes from back travel.  Either tourists coming here, or our own leaving the island and bringing it back.   We actually got to zero cases last spring/summer for a bit.

    To me it feels like, what's the point of restrictions and being stuck at home, if some asshat is going to come visit here and spread it around anyways.   Basically travellers get to free ride.   Because most people are laying low and staying at home... it's not super rampant, so odds are you'll be ok.    However if people weren't staying at home, it would be way more prevalent, and you'd probably catch it. 

    I guess the travel thing bugs me.  I like how Atlantic Canada is handling it.
  • RatherStarvedRatherStarved Posts: 1,294
    If you have a place with no cases then yes travel restrictions to preserve that.  I’m just looking at Ontario compared to neighbouring states and the rates are about the same.  So what difference does it make.  
  • given2fly23given2fly23 Evanston, ILPosts: 5,247
    Get vaxxed.

    "CDC identifies only 5,800 Covid-19 infections after the final vaccine, out of more than 66 million. And those who got it had mild cases."



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  • Weston1283Weston1283 Cleveland, OHPosts: 3,101
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    Get vaxxed.

    "CDC identifies only 5,800 Covid-19 infections after the final vaccine, out of more than 66 million. And those who got it had mild cases."




    74 deaths out of 77 million fully vaccinated.  That is a scientific and humanitarian miracle.

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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo PhillyPosts: 7,525
    Get vaxxed.

    "CDC identifies only 5,800 Covid-19 infections after the final vaccine, out of more than 66 million. And those who got it had mild cases."




    74 deaths out of 77 million fully vaccinated.  That is a scientific and humanitarian miracle.

    Get Vaxxed
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 12,294
    Get vaxxed.

    "CDC identifies only 5,800 Covid-19 infections after the final vaccine, out of more than 66 million. And those who got it had mild cases."



    Infection rate of 0.087%.
    Hard to argue with that efficacy rate.

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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 12,294
    Get vaxxed.

    "CDC identifies only 5,800 Covid-19 infections after the final vaccine, out of more than 66 million. And those who got it had mild cases."




    74 deaths out of 77 million fully vaccinated.  That is a scientific and humanitarian miracle.

    Get Vaxxed
    And mortality rate thus far of 0.00096% after vax.
    Again, real hard to argue with these numbers but we know folks will.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 26,059
    DEGBTI said:
    Everything is open here, cases are plummeting. No one wears masks.  Sold out concerts coming to town starting in May.  "Pandemic" aka flu season is over. Let's fucking guy with the rescheduling.
    you test positivity rate has been climbing steadily since March 21. 
    they actually are not climbing. The cases I am guessing you are referring to are old cases from winter that were not recorded. This inflated the current number of cases giving wrong info! This is why we should not trust the media. Listen to scientist and doctors. Not the news!!!

    test positivity does not equal cases. 
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  • RatherStarvedRatherStarved Posts: 1,294
    I don’t know who or what a Bad Bunny is but whoever or whatever it is has announced a Toronto date for March 2022.  Let’s go PJ...bring on the new dates! 
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