2020 Fall North American rumour thread

Zod

DM282158 said:

I will always be curious and somewhat fascinated about the Can’t Deny Me release and “forth coming” album note in 2018. But Gigaton two years later. Brendan O’Brien swapped for Josh Evans. And no shows from 9/4/2018 through (what was supposed to be) 3/18/2020. 

It seemed like they went into the studio a few times but were struggling with creativity.  It feels like they scrapped whatever they got from those sessions and started over.

I'm guessing 2019 ended up being a year off, and a time to record Gigaton.   They had no idea 2020 was going to get scrapped due to a pandemic :(

Lost In Ohio

DM282158 said:

I will always be curious and somewhat fascinated about the Can’t Deny Me release and “forth coming” album note in 2018. But Gigaton two years later. Brendan O’Brien swapped for Josh Evans. And no shows from 9/4/2018 through (what was supposed to be) 3/18/2020. 

When did the Europe tour get announced?

I wonder if the original plan was essentially repeat 2013 with a South American tour, then album release and then a North American tour. When they released they needed more time, announce Europe and hope for early 2019.

When they realized that 2018 wasn't going to happen as planned, then announce Home/Away. Some time in 2018, they got that "oh crap" sinking feeling and then Eddie hit us with the "it's gonna be a while" statement at Fenway.

Going from September 2018 to... Summer 2020? Fall 2020? Whenever the next show is...if someone was born during the last PJ show, they could almost be damn well out of diapers by the next show.

Lost In Ohio

All this week on Pearl Jam Radio, they're playing #PJVotes week. Stone says they're past shows from "states we hoped to visit this fall."

Read into this if you want, but right now and at other times this week, they're playing 8/6/2000 from Greensboro, NC.

RatherStarved

Lost In Ohio said:

All this week on Pearl Jam Radio, they're playing #PJVotes week. Stone says they're past shows from "states we hoped to visit this fall."

Read into this if you want, but right now and at other times this week, they're playing 8/6/2000 from Greensboro, NC.

Pretty sure they’ve played Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Florida boots this week as well.

bbiggs

There’s no doubt this Fall leg would have been a banger. 

Lost In Ohio

RatherStarved said:

Lost In Ohio said:

All this week on Pearl Jam Radio, they're playing #PJVotes week. Stone says they're past shows from "states we hoped to visit this fall."

Read into this if you want, but right now and at other times this week, they're playing 8/6/2000 from Greensboro, NC.

Pretty sure they’ve played Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Florida boots this week as well.

They used to tweet and Facebook their show schedules. I've definitely heard the "Ice Bowl" and Detroit 2014 this week.

RatherStarved

Tonight they’re playing a boot from Minnesota. There’s a whole thread somewhere on here that would have been over the moon.

demetrios

Lost In Ohio said:

RatherStarved said:

Lost In Ohio said:

All this week on Pearl Jam Radio, they're playing #PJVotes week. Stone says they're past shows from "states we hoped to visit this fall."

Read into this if you want, but right now and at other times this week, they're playing 8/6/2000 from Greensboro, NC.

Pretty sure they’ve played Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Florida boots this week as well.

They used to tweet and Facebook their show schedules. I've definitely heard the "Ice Bowl" and Detroit 2014 this week.

They still do over @ https://www.facebook.com/SiriusXMPearlJamRadio

https://www.facebook.com/SiriusXMPearlJamRadio/posts/5066008330091649

PJ VOTES CONCERT SCHEDULE – WEEK OF 9/21/20 PICKED BY THE BAND

MONDAY SEPTEMBER 21

12am State College, PA 5/3/03

2pm E. Troy, WI 10/8/00

7pm Detroit, MI 10/16/14

TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 22

12am W. Palm Beach, FL 4/11/03

7am St. Paul, MN 6/16/03

2pm Phoenix, AZ 11/19/13

WEDNESDAY SEPTEMBER 23

12am Detroit, MI 10/16/14

7am State College, PA 5/3/03

2pm Greensboro, NC 8/6/00

THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 24

12am Phoenix, AZ 11/19/13

2pm W. Palm Beach, FL 4/11/03

7pm E. Troy, WI 10/8/00

FRIDAY SEPTEMBER 25

12am St. Paul, MN 6/16/03

7am Greensboro, NC 8/6/00

2pm State College, PA 5/3/03

SATURDAY SEPTEMBER 26

12am E. Troy, WI 10/8/00

2pm Detroit, MI 10/16/14

7pm W. Palm Beach, FL 4/11/03

SUNDAY SEPTEMBER 27

12am Greensboro, NC 8/6/00

7am Phoenix, AZ 11/19/13

2pm St. Paul, MN 6/16/03

*All Times Eastern

mschostok

Such a bummer. Fall 2021 has to be more likely to go through than Spring 2021, right? Either way, I guess it's possible we don't have shows next year, either. 

RatherStarved

Spring 21 seems improbable given the vaccine timetable.  Fall 21 seems feasible if something is approved by end of 20.  Other artists are booking Fall 21 and Winter 22 dates.  As of now there’s Bottlerock Napa Valley with RHCP on May 28, 2021 but I wouldn’t book a flight just yet.

mschostok

RatherStarved said:

Spring 21 seems improbable given the vaccine timetable.  Fall 21 seems feasible if something is approved by end of 20.  Other artists are booking Fall 21 and Winter 22 dates.  As of now there’s Bottlerock Napa Valley with RHCP on May 28, 2021 but I wouldn’t book a flight just yet.

Right. Spring 2021 just doesn't seem plausible. So unfortunate. Just have to be patient. 

Lost In Ohio

demetrios said:

Lost In Ohio said:

RatherStarved said:

Lost In Ohio said:

All this week on Pearl Jam Radio, they're playing #PJVotes week. Stone says they're past shows from "states we hoped to visit this fall."

Read into this if you want, but right now and at other times this week, they're playing 8/6/2000 from Greensboro, NC.

Pretty sure they’ve played Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Florida boots this week as well.

They used to tweet and Facebook their show schedules. I've definitely heard the "Ice Bowl" and Detroit 2014 this week.

They still do over @ https://www.facebook.com/SiriusXMPearlJamRadio

https://www.facebook.com/SiriusXMPearlJamRadio/posts/5066008330091649

PJ VOTES CONCERT SCHEDULE – WEEK OF 9/21/20 PICKED BY THE BAND

MONDAY SEPTEMBER 21

12am State College, PA 5/3/03

2pm E. Troy, WI 10/8/00

7pm Detroit, MI 10/16/14

TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 22

12am W. Palm Beach, FL 4/11/03

7am St. Paul, MN 6/16/03

2pm Phoenix, AZ 11/19/13

WEDNESDAY SEPTEMBER 23

12am Detroit, MI 10/16/14

7am State College, PA 5/3/03

2pm Greensboro, NC 8/6/00

THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 24

12am Phoenix, AZ 11/19/13

2pm W. Palm Beach, FL 4/11/03

7pm E. Troy, WI 10/8/00

FRIDAY SEPTEMBER 25

12am St. Paul, MN 6/16/03

7am Greensboro, NC 8/6/00

2pm State College, PA 5/3/03

SATURDAY SEPTEMBER 26

12am E. Troy, WI 10/8/00

2pm Detroit, MI 10/16/14

7pm W. Palm Beach, FL 4/11/03

SUNDAY SEPTEMBER 27

12am Greensboro, NC 8/6/00

7am Phoenix, AZ 11/19/13

2pm St. Paul, MN 6/16/03

*All Times Eastern

I think the issue was that I was on SiriusXM.com/pearljamradio. They used to be there, but seemingly not in a while.

OceansJenny

Zod said:

Lost In Ohio said:

Zod said:

To me it felt like PJ sort of started to settle into a Stones type touring thing.  Where you go out and play a modest amount dates, sometimes you take a year off.  Never insanely big tours or any thing.   I do think it's moderately misleading as it seemed they were about to do a fairly extensive tour to support Gigaton (including additional fall dates, to the shows that got postponed).   With Covid happening right after a year off, that's insanely bad luck :(

In the early 90s, they basically had to tour to sell tickets and stay relevant.

2003 or 2006 or so was probably one of the last "real tours" they did...which was right as they got out of their deal with Sony/Epic and begun to do things their own way. Backspacer came out and they did the 2009/2010 tours and then we got the PJ20 stuff along with a Brad tour and a ton of other side projects.

But yeah, this was just bad luck. Part of me still thinks that when Chris died in 2017, that pushed stuff back. Soundgarden would have toured. Jeff had his book that year. Eddie went on tour in Europe...but what happened after Eddie got back from Europe? I don't want to play a blame game, but we're all left wondering what could have happened later in 2017 if Chris didn't die.

Can't Deny Me came out in March of 2018 off the then-forthcoming album.

If they didn't press that reset button, maybe they do a lot more USA in 2018 and even 2019 then they hit up Australia/New Zealand in the first two months, back to Europe over June/July and more USA in late 2019.

Instead, we had to wait about two years from CDM to Gigaton.

Something happened there. Something big.

Yah, you do get the feeling that they took a step back when Chris Cornell passed away.   Maybe it took all or some of them a bit to work through that.   Then when they were ready to go again, they hit the start over button the album.

.....

It's a bit a of a bummer we got so few PJ shows over the past however many years, and that Covid hit the brakes right when they were about to start doing a bunch of them.   I am glad the band has (mostly) figured out what works for them.  Hopefully it means we continue to get tours for a while.

We may have a completely different sounding album if not for CC and the album re-scrap. With BoB and Can’t Deny Me as the big single it probably would have been LB2.

I’m thankful for the steps they took even if time marched on.

PJNB

Now that Europe seems to be all set are we going to get some dates for NA? I bet they are still waiting until a certain date to confirm what most of us already are guessing is no spring shows. Then we will hopefully get the whole fall tour rolled out at once.

Zod

I'm honestly surprised they're going all in on Eurodates.   Everything I'm reading says it's going to be at least 6 to 9 months before Vaccines can start rolling out, and then it'll be a good while before enough people have them to do mass gatherings.     I'm still pretty skeptical, and give it 70/30 odds the Eurodates get bumped again.

Maybe they had less flexibility when it came to Europe and it was more pressing to book in dates?   Maybe they have more flexibility in the US and are trying to hold off as long as possible on announcing in case they have to bump them again?

demetrios

Zod said:

I'm honestly surprised they're going all in on Eurodates.   Everything I'm reading says it's going to be at least 6 to 9 months before Vaccines can start rolling out, and then it'll be a good while before enough people have them to do mass gatherings.     I'm still pretty skeptical, and give it 70/30 odds the Eurodates get bumped again.

Maybe they had less flexibility when it came to Europe and it was more pressing to book in dates?   Maybe they have more flexibility in the US and are trying to hold off as long as possible on announcing in case they have to bump them again?

I'm surprised they are adding these dates, knowing it's not gonna happen as there is no "official" cure yet for the COVID19 virus. Cases are rising & many cities / countries are going into Phase 2. Wouldn't it make sense to add dates WHEN the cure is officially been announced?

Zod

demetrios said:

Zod said:

I'm honestly surprised they're going all in on Eurodates.   Everything I'm reading says it's going to be at least 6 to 9 months before Vaccines can start rolling out, and then it'll be a good while before enough people have them to do mass gatherings.     I'm still pretty skeptical, and give it 70/30 odds the Eurodates get bumped again.

Maybe they had less flexibility when it came to Europe and it was more pressing to book in dates?   Maybe they have more flexibility in the US and are trying to hold off as long as possible on announcing in case they have to bump them again?

I'm surprised they are adding these dates, knowing it's not gonna happen as there is no "official" cure yet for the COVID19 virus. Cases are rising & many cities / countries are going into Phase 2. Wouldn't it make sense to add dates WHEN the cure is officially been announced?

I think there's other challenges.   How many artists are going to be starving for $$'s or itching to tour as soon as Covid19 is conquered.  Not to mention all the sports teams are going to want to fire back up on all cylinders.  There could be issues of availability if everyone wants to tour at the same time.  I think this is why some musicians are booking venues, so if the problem is solved they've got venues booked and they aren't competing for space.

It really has me curious what post covid touring is going to look like.  I keep seeing all these bands who haven't played for years wanting to get out there.    Concerts everywhere, and not enough money to buy all the tickets

Maybe we'll get winter tours again.   For the last # of years all the big shows I wanted to see were in the summer.   It's ok if you live somewhere where you can go home after the show, but for those of us that travel, it means getting a hotel.  Hotel's all up and down the west coast are crazy expensive in the summer.  Would love me some cheaper winter tours

Lost In Ohio

Zod said:

demetrios said:

Zod said:

I'm honestly surprised they're going all in on Eurodates.   Everything I'm reading says it's going to be at least 6 to 9 months before Vaccines can start rolling out, and then it'll be a good while before enough people have them to do mass gatherings.     I'm still pretty skeptical, and give it 70/30 odds the Eurodates get bumped again.

Maybe they had less flexibility when it came to Europe and it was more pressing to book in dates?   Maybe they have more flexibility in the US and are trying to hold off as long as possible on announcing in case they have to bump them again?

I'm surprised they are adding these dates, knowing it's not gonna happen as there is no "official" cure yet for the COVID19 virus. Cases are rising & many cities / countries are going into Phase 2. Wouldn't it make sense to add dates WHEN the cure is officially been announced?

I think there's other challenges.   How many artists are going to be starving for $$'s or itching to tour as soon as Covid19 is conquered.  Not to mention all the sports teams are going to want to fire back up on all cylinders.  There could be issues of availability if everyone wants to tour at the same time.  I think this is why some musicians are booking venues, so if the problem is solved they've got venues booked and they aren't competing for space.

It really has me curious what post covid touring is going to look like.  I keep seeing all these bands who haven't played for years wanting to get out there.    Concerts everywhere, and not enough money to buy all the tickets

Maybe we'll get winter tours again.   For the last # of years all the big shows I wanted to see were in the summer.   It's ok if you live somewhere where you can go home after the show, but for those of us that travel, it means getting a hotel.  Hotel's all up and down the west coast are crazy expensive in the summer.  Would love me some cheaper winter tours

NHL, NBA, Disney on Ice, Christmas shows, that one electronic group that always tours over Christmas (you know who I mean), bla bla bla...

Plus, summer tours let them do outside stuff.

Weston1283

With NFL stadiums allowing increased capacities weekly, you have to think that around next summer events will become normal again.  I think even if the band could play in the spring, the more likely option is Fall of 2021 for any US/Canada shows.  

It is going to take one band/artist to lead the way.  Someone will book a football stadium with social distancing and 30% capacity.  Then someone will play a 40% capacity show and so on.  And it'll just be follow the leader until we are back to full capacity.  No one wants to be the first one to do it (negative backlash) but everyone will follow once someone leads the way.

HughFreakingDillon

Lost In Ohio said:

Zod said:

demetrios said:

Zod said:

I'm honestly surprised they're going all in on Eurodates.   Everything I'm reading says it's going to be at least 6 to 9 months before Vaccines can start rolling out, and then it'll be a good while before enough people have them to do mass gatherings.     I'm still pretty skeptical, and give it 70/30 odds the Eurodates get bumped again.

Maybe they had less flexibility when it came to Europe and it was more pressing to book in dates?   Maybe they have more flexibility in the US and are trying to hold off as long as possible on announcing in case they have to bump them again?

I'm surprised they are adding these dates, knowing it's not gonna happen as there is no "official" cure yet for the COVID19 virus. Cases are rising & many cities / countries are going into Phase 2. Wouldn't it make sense to add dates WHEN the cure is officially been announced?

I think there's other challenges.   How many artists are going to be starving for $$'s or itching to tour as soon as Covid19 is conquered.  Not to mention all the sports teams are going to want to fire back up on all cylinders.  There could be issues of availability if everyone wants to tour at the same time.  I think this is why some musicians are booking venues, so if the problem is solved they've got venues booked and they aren't competing for space.

It really has me curious what post covid touring is going to look like.  I keep seeing all these bands who haven't played for years wanting to get out there.    Concerts everywhere, and not enough money to buy all the tickets

Maybe we'll get winter tours again.   For the last # of years all the big shows I wanted to see were in the summer.   It's ok if you live somewhere where you can go home after the show, but for those of us that travel, it means getting a hotel.  Hotel's all up and down the west coast are crazy expensive in the summer.  Would love me some cheaper winter tours

NHL, NBA, Disney on Ice, Christmas shows, that one electronic group that always tours over Christmas (you know who I mean), bla bla bla...

Plus, summer tours let them do outside stuff.

i don't!