CoVid19 Virus : Impact on PJ Spring & Summer Tours

PB11041 · March 2020

Lots of actual facts, vs panicky sort of facts. Use one of your 8 monthly freebies if you don't subscribe.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/health/coronavirus-flu.html?algo=top_conversion&fellback=false&imp_id=256169109&imp_id=633431529&action=click&module=trending&pgtype=Article&region=Footer

Also don't click on the below link if you want to continue to live in the panic bubble. As always, novel virus = very bad, do not want to see them, however, the panic bubble on this one has been off the charts. And the panic reasoning has been built on stupid things, like oh my god the Olympics. They won't matter if this becomes insurmountable. But all the data past and present says that is extremely unlikely. And yet we persist is stoking the flames of panic about if concerts will happen, because we pretend to want to be data miners I guess.

bootlegger10 · March 2020

PB11041 said:

Lots of actual facts, vs panicky sort of facts. Use one of your 8 monthly freebies if you don't subscribe.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/health/coronavirus-flu.html?algo=top_conversion&fellback=false&imp_id=256169109&imp_id=633431529&action=click&module=trending&pgtype=Article&region=Footer

Also don't click on the below link if you want to continue to live in the panic bubble. As always, novel virus = very bad, do not want to see them, however, the panic bubble on this one has been off the charts. And the panic reasoning has been built on stupid things, like oh my god the Olympics. They won't matter if this becomes insurmountable. But all the data past and present says that is extremely unlikely. And yet we persist is stoking the flames of panic about if concerts will happen, because we pretend to want to be data miners I guess.

You are missing the point that it is not about as much the science but what government and organizations are going to do.

JABK · March 2020

Panic is good to some extent, because that raises awareness and countries and people start taking appropriate measures to stop the virus from spreading.
But...I think the virus will peak in the coming month or so and then slowly fading. That's just my guess though and of course I could be wrong.
But with every other virus that has hit us, allthough this one is pretty aggressive, it's hysteria and panic for a while and then it fades because people are being overcautious and those infected gets proper treatment. In China the virus has allready started fading according to the WHO.

Let's all then hope for the best. In the mean time: WASH YOUR HANDS FOLKS!

Hankj25 · March 2020

Maybe I don’t know what you mean by MSM but CNN has had this information about washing your hands and low probabilities Of people becoming infected on their site for weeks.

Amazing how people actually believe the fat tangerine when he says thing a like CNN is an enemy of the people.

mattsavard · March 2020

NewfieintheUSA said:

mattsavard said:

Meme addressing the where the US is on Italy's curve. Supposed to be funny but it's kinda sobering.

Unfortunately I think these next 7 days are going to be a wild ride. I hope I'm wrong. :(

Still absolutely planning on going to Canada. Will be rocking masks and eye-pro but we will be there rocking out if the shows are on.

Masks don't help with this virus

:sigh:

1) Surgical masks don't help as much, but help stop some droplets and minimize face touching. "Better than nothing"

2) n95 or better respirator masks absolutely DO, and are part of required PPE for heathcare workers. Fit is important.

3) The "virus is smaller than filtration size" argument is made by people ignorant of transmission methodology. The virus CANNOT travel on its own. It requires water droplets, which ARE caught by the mask.

Again, N95 or better respiratory masks are proven effective against this virus when worn properly.

Falling Down · March 2020

Concerts scheduled for March will definitely happen. Worst they would do is put chairs in GA section to reduce contacts. I really don't see why sporting events would remain on while concerts in the same venues wouldn't. Yes, more people from abroad means more contamination risks, but still.

bootlegger10 · March 2020

Falling Down said:

Concerts scheduled for March will definitely happen. Worst they would do is put chairs in GA section to reduce contacts. I really don't see why sporting events would remain on while concerts in the same venues wouldn't. Yes, more people from abroad means more contamination risks, but still.

I think the expectation at that point is that the sporting events could be canceled. Agree that we have no idea if it will get that bad but just saying.

washed in black · March 2020

Falling Down said:

Concerts scheduled for March will definitely happen. Worst they would do is put chairs in GA section to reduce contacts. I really don't see why sporting events would remain on while concerts in the same venues wouldn't. Yes, more people from abroad means more contamination risks, but still.

As I fully expected, The National has canceled their two Japan concerts that were scheduled for March 17 & 18. I'm still very hopeful that the Toronto PJ kickoff is going to happen.

THEBIBLEISTEN · March 2020

Falling Down said:

Concerts scheduled for March will definitely happen. Worst they would do is put chairs in GA section to reduce contacts. I really don't see why sporting events would remain on while concerts in the same venues wouldn't. Yes, more people from abroad means more contamination risks, but still.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

PD279656 · March 2020

I can't wait to get up to rail from the back of GA by just continually sneezing!

on2legs · March 2020

PD279656 said:

I can't wait to get up to rail from the back of GA by just continually sneezing!

Lol

PB11041 · March 2020

bootlegger10 said:

PB11041 said:

Lots of actual facts, vs panicky sort of facts. Use one of your 8 monthly freebies if you don't subscribe.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/health/coronavirus-flu.html?algo=top_conversion&fellback=false&imp_id=256169109&imp_id=633431529&action=click&module=trending&pgtype=Article&region=Footer

Also don't click on the below link if you want to continue to live in the panic bubble. As always, novel virus = very bad, do not want to see them, however, the panic bubble on this one has been off the charts. And the panic reasoning has been built on stupid things, like oh my god the Olympics. They won't matter if this becomes insurmountable. But all the data past and present says that is extremely unlikely. And yet we persist is stoking the flames of panic about if concerts will happen, because we pretend to want to be data miners I guess.

You are missing the point that it is not about as much the science but what government and organizations are going to do.

when totally ill informed people panic, so to do people who make decisions. See, Prime Minister Japan, who confounded his medical officials in his own country. So yeah, I am not missing the point. The upside of a highly connected society, information spreads rapidly. The downside, people are not good consumers of information and react to headlines and images.

Thus far, one person, just one, Dick Pound arbitrarily speculated about the Olympics and news organizations tripped over themselves to speculate about the cancellation of the Olympics even though every other reliable source had contradicted Dick Pound.

MorpheusII · March 2020

PD279656 said:

I can't wait to get up to rail from the back of GA by just continually sneezing!

That is SO wrong.....but funny.

elvistheking44 · March 2020

mattsavard said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

mattsavard said:

Meme addressing the where the US is on Italy's curve. Supposed to be funny but it's kinda sobering.

Unfortunately I think these next 7 days are going to be a wild ride. I hope I'm wrong. :(

Still absolutely planning on going to Canada. Will be rocking masks and eye-pro but we will be there rocking out if the shows are on.

Masks don't help with this virus

:sigh:

1) Surgical masks don't help as much, but help stop some droplets and minimize face touching. "Better than nothing"

2) n95 or better respirator masks absolutely DO, and are part of required PPE for heathcare workers. Fit is important.

3) The "virus is smaller than filtration size" argument is made by people ignorant of transmission methodology. The virus CANNOT travel on its own. It requires water droplets, which ARE caught by the mask.

Again, N95 or better respiratory masks are proven effective against this virus when worn properly.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/health/coronavirus-n95-face-masks.amp.html

chiwhitesox · March 2020

mattsavard said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

mattsavard said:

Meme addressing the where the US is on Italy's curve. Supposed to be funny but it's kinda sobering.

Unfortunately I think these next 7 days are going to be a wild ride. I hope I'm wrong. :(

Still absolutely planning on going to Canada. Will be rocking masks and eye-pro but we will be there rocking out if the shows are on.

Masks don't help with this virus

:sigh:

1) Surgical masks don't help as much, but help stop some droplets and minimize face touching. "Better than nothing"

2) n95 or better respirator masks absolutely DO, and are part of required PPE for heathcare workers. Fit is important.

3) The "virus is smaller than filtration size" argument is made by people ignorant of transmission methodology. The virus CANNOT travel on its own. It requires water droplets, which ARE caught by the mask.

Again, N95 or better respiratory masks are proven effective against this virus when worn properly.

Someone here knows a wee bit too much about face masks!

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/41e63bae-b513-4bb2-b9fd-85c3c7082ff7#1XSt6-6VB.sms

bbiggs · March 2020

I just travelled this week and wasn’t sure what to expect. I was observing people’s behavior to see how/if it has changed. Aside from a few masks it was business as usual. People were wiping seats, trays, etc. on the planes, but that should be done anyway. No evidence of panic or disruption at all. At least not on the flights or at the airports I was at. We’ll see. Fluid situation.

mattsavard · March 2020

elvistheking44 said:

mattsavard said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

mattsavard said:

Meme addressing the where the US is on Italy's curve. Supposed to be funny but it's kinda sobering.

Unfortunately I think these next 7 days are going to be a wild ride. I hope I'm wrong. :(

Still absolutely planning on going to Canada. Will be rocking masks and eye-pro but we will be there rocking out if the shows are on.

Masks don't help with this virus

:sigh:

1) Surgical masks don't help as much, but help stop some droplets and minimize face touching. "Better than nothing"

2) n95 or better respirator masks absolutely DO, and are part of required PPE for heathcare workers. Fit is important.

3) The "virus is smaller than filtration size" argument is made by people ignorant of transmission methodology. The virus CANNOT travel on its own. It requires water droplets, which ARE caught by the mask.

Again, N95 or better respiratory masks are proven effective against this virus when worn properly.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/health/coronavirus-n95-face-masks.amp.html

Important quote:
“They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if health care providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!”

I've had this debate many times over.. here's how it goes:

1) You send that link.
2) I ask "If the masks don't work, why is the Surgeon General so desperate to get them in the hands of healthcare workers? Why are the mandatory PPE by the CDC? Why did he tell Hospitals to no longer discard expired masks, but keep them because of a shortage?"

Then we go down the rabbit hole:

3) Someone says "That's because they work for healthcare workers but not for the general public"
4) Then I say "So these thin paper-esque masks carry Geofencing technology that turns them off when outside hospitals?"
5) Then someone who actually knows what they're talking about chimes in and says "They work, but the public doesn't need them because they're not in close contact with infected people like Docs/Nurses are, and if the public buys them all, then there aren't any for Docs/Nurses"
6) Then I ask "So Dr. John was stopping by WalMart on the way to his shift but me grabbing that 5-pack means he has to go without? It's a different supply channel. And if someone sneezed on me in line somewhere and I had this mask on with eye-pro, would it stop it?"
7) They admit that yes it would help but that's still not as close contact as Dr's and Nurses... etc etc.

They absolutely DO help when worn properly. Period.

CDC Guidelines for treating patients with COVID19:
"Use respiratory protection (i.e., a respirator) that is at least as protective as a fit-tested NIOSH-certified disposable N95 filtering facepiece respirator before entry into the patient room or care area. See appendix for respirator definition."

Respirators are KEY to stopping transmission of Coronavirus to medical staff.
"Although the respirator group encountered confirmed cases more often than the unmasked group — more than 730% more often — no one in the respirator group became infected. "

Mis-Information is flat out Dangerous during an epidemic. Please stop spreading it.

mattsavard · March 2020

bbiggs said:

I just travelled this week and wasn’t sure what to expect. I was observing people’s behavior to see how/if it has changed. Aside from a few masks it was business as usual. People were wiping seats, trays, etc. on the planes, but that should be done anyway. No evidence of panic or disruption at all. At least not on the flights or at the airports I was at. We’ll see. Fluid situation.

Nice to hear. That's how it should be. This is not panic worthy. If everyone simply exercised a few simple precautions it would greatly mitigate the spread of this virus. Unfortunately there are some naysayers and wannabe tough-guys who will go against the grain, likely become spreaders and increase the overall issue created by this virus.

mattsavard · March 2020

PD279656 said:

I can't wait to get up to rail from the back of GA by just continually sneezing!

I laughed

I've got GA for two shows this tour:
Ottawa: Going with the GF who is 5'3" and semi-claustrophobic so we will be hanging in the back half of GA rocking out.
St. Louis: Going with a buddy. Had plans on getting up close (Hadn't had rail since 94) but will see how the bug situation is at that point.

mace1229 · March 2020

jimjam1982 said:

Innings festival went without a hitch. Spring training baseball games have been packed. Life goes on unabated. More and more concerts are being announced. March madness will go on. NBA and NHL arenas are loaded, and XFL continues to draw attendance. Just the facts.

That’s the most shocking part.

CoVid19 Virus : Impact on PJ Spring & Summer Tours

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