The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,860
    what dreams said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    My SO, a liberal voter, firmly believes that America will not elect a woman president as the country currently exists.

    She staunchly thinks it is impossible. Is she as bad as Bernie?
    I've had a best friend say the same thing -- one of the first to break into the software engineering field in the 80s, and look at how little progress we've made there. It's really a bummer. More women need to run, every time, so people get used to seeing them on the stage.

    I’m more worried about the attitude of voters in certain regions of the country than the quality of the candidates And not sure if they are persuadable. I think Amy would be an excellent President.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    Lerxst1992 said:
    My SO, a liberal voter, firmly believes that America will not elect a woman president as the country currently exists.

    She staunchly thinks it is impossible. Is she as bad as Bernie?
    I don't get that, though. Clinton came really close and won the popular vote. It's only a matter of time. 
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,860
    pjl44 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    My SO, a liberal voter, firmly believes that America will not elect a woman president as the country currently exists.

    She staunchly thinks it is impossible. Is she as bad as Bernie?
    I don't get that, though. Clinton came really close and won the popular vote. It's only a matter of time. 

    She’s pretty firm about her opinion. 
     I have hope we see that happen one day, or even Mayor Pete winning one day.

    The electoral college is giving more and more power to the rural states as the population increases around the cities. I’m thinking the popular vote might be living with dinosaurs soon. 
  • brianlux
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    My SO, a liberal voter, firmly believes that America will not elect a woman president as the country currently exists.

    She staunchly thinks it is impossible. Is she as bad as Bernie?

    Actually, we already did once, by vote count anyway.
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  • brianlux
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    pjl44 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    My SO, a liberal voter, firmly believes that America will not elect a woman president as the country currently exists.

    She staunchly thinks it is impossible. Is she as bad as Bernie?
    I don't get that, though. Clinton came really close and won the popular vote. It's only a matter of time. 

    For sure!

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited January 2020
    nvm
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    brianlux said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    My SO, a liberal voter, firmly believes that America will not elect a woman president as the country currently exists.

    She staunchly thinks it is impossible. Is she as bad as Bernie?

    Actually, we already did once, by vote count anyway.
    And had she been a male with all else equal, I wonder if she would have won.

    I think we’ll get a female president soon; Ivanka.  Even if that’s not the case, I think the first female president is going to be a Republican.  America doesn’t like (perceived) liberal women...they might even be accused of being “feminists.”
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    OnWis97 said:
    brianlux said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    My SO, a liberal voter, firmly believes that America will not elect a woman president as the country currently exists.

    She staunchly thinks it is impossible. Is she as bad as Bernie?

    Actually, we already did once, by vote count anyway.
    And had she been a male with all else equal, I wonder if she would have won.

    I think we’ll get a female president soon; Ivanka.  Even if that’s not the case, I think the first female president is going to be a Republican.  America doesn’t like (perceived) liberal women...they might even be accused of being “feminists.”
    Nikki Styx is being groomed. Might even replace Pence on the ticket.
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  • brianlux
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    OnWis97 said:
    brianlux said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    My SO, a liberal voter, firmly believes that America will not elect a woman president as the country currently exists.

    She staunchly thinks it is impossible. Is she as bad as Bernie?

    Actually, we already did once, by vote count anyway.
    And had she been a male with all else equal, I wonder if she would have won.

    I think we’ll get a female president soon; Ivanka.  Even if that’s not the case, I think the first female president is going to be a Republican.  America doesn’t like (perceived) liberal women...they might even be accused of being “feminists.”
    Nikki Styx is being groomed. Might even replace Pence on the ticket.

    Why not go with Sixx!


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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,386
    brianlux said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    OnWis97 said:
    brianlux said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    My SO, a liberal voter, firmly believes that America will not elect a woman president as the country currently exists.

    She staunchly thinks it is impossible. Is she as bad as Bernie?

    Actually, we already did once, by vote count anyway.
    And had she been a male with all else equal, I wonder if she would have won.

    I think we’ll get a female president soon; Ivanka.  Even if that’s not the case, I think the first female president is going to be a Republican.  America doesn’t like (perceived) liberal women...they might even be accused of being “feminists.”
    Nikki Styx is being groomed. Might even replace Pence on the ticket.

    Why not go with Sixx!


    no, cuz he and his bandmates are proven fucking liars......
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited January 2020
    Some more

    mrussel1 said:

    hyperbole and sarcasm.  



    Bernie lays it out:

    https://youtu.be/GxyXrezEfL0
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Some more

    mrussel1 said:

    hyperbole and sarcasm.  



    Bernie lays it out:

    https://youtu.be/GxyXrezEfL0
    Yes he's right.  SS needs means testing and recalibration.  It's a social benefit that will break us at its current pace. Im 100% with him. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    edited January 2020
    Social security as constructed is unsustainable.  And for the record,  I'm probably to the right of Biden on Ss
    Post edited by mrussel1 on
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    You trust a campaign that lies about people's record and lies about what he said to Warren?  Shame on you.

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur/
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    You hear about Trump's cash advantage,  but that's against individuals,  not the total field. Once we have a nominee,  Trump will be swamped in the media.  

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/17/trump-2020-election-democratic-opponents-raise-more-money-than-him.html
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,386
    Damn good thing some posters on this site cant vote here.....

    soundbites and memes do not make an informed voter.
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  • brianlux
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    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    OnWis97 said:
    brianlux said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    My SO, a liberal voter, firmly believes that America will not elect a woman president as the country currently exists.

    She staunchly thinks it is impossible. Is she as bad as Bernie?

    Actually, we already did once, by vote count anyway.
    And had she been a male with all else equal, I wonder if she would have won.

    I think we’ll get a female president soon; Ivanka.  Even if that’s not the case, I think the first female president is going to be a Republican.  America doesn’t like (perceived) liberal women...they might even be accused of being “feminists.”
    Nikki Styx is being groomed. Might even replace Pence on the ticket.

    Why not go with Sixx!


    no, cuz he and his bandmates are proven fucking liars......

    Sadly, that's what a certain current president does. 
    mickeyrat said:
    Damn good thing some posters on this site cant vote here.....

    soundbites and memes do not make an informed voter.

    To bad a large percentage of American voters will vote based on soundbites, memes, mainstream "news", and whatever it is they have been brainwashed into believing without doing any research or suing critical thinking on their own.  I mean, how else could we have ended up with Trump?  It a sad state of affairs. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,362
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    OnWis97 said:
    brianlux said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    My SO, a liberal voter, firmly believes that America will not elect a woman president as the country currently exists.

    She staunchly thinks it is impossible. Is she as bad as Bernie?

    Actually, we already did once, by vote count anyway.
    And had she been a male with all else equal, I wonder if she would have won.

    I think we’ll get a female president soon; Ivanka.  Even if that’s not the case, I think the first female president is going to be a Republican.  America doesn’t like (perceived) liberal women...they might even be accused of being “feminists.”
    Nikki Styx is being groomed. Might even replace Pence on the ticket.

    Why not go with Sixx!


    no, cuz he and his bandmates are proven fucking liars......

    Sadly, that's what a certain current president does. 
    mickeyrat said:
    Damn good thing some posters on this site cant vote here.....

    soundbites and memes do not make an informed voter.

    To bad a large percentage of American voters will vote based on soundbites, memes, mainstream "news", and whatever it is they have been brainwashed into believing without doing any research or suing critical thinking on their own.  I mean, how else could we have ended up with Trump?  It a sad state of affairs. 
    Well said, Brian. 
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  • brianlux
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    darwinstheory said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    OnWis97 said:
    brianlux said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    My SO, a liberal voter, firmly believes that America will not elect a woman president as the country currently exists.

    She staunchly thinks it is impossible. Is she as bad as Bernie?

    Actually, we already did once, by vote count anyway.
    And had she been a male with all else equal, I wonder if she would have won.

    I think we’ll get a female president soon; Ivanka.  Even if that’s not the case, I think the first female president is going to be a Republican.  America doesn’t like (perceived) liberal women...they might even be accused of being “feminists.”
    Nikki Styx is being groomed. Might even replace Pence on the ticket.

    Why not go with Sixx!


    no, cuz he and his bandmates are proven fucking liars......

    Sadly, that's what a certain current president does. 
    mickeyrat said:
    Damn good thing some posters on this site cant vote here.....

    soundbites and memes do not make an informed voter.

    To bad a large percentage of American voters will vote based on soundbites, memes, mainstream "news", and whatever it is they have been brainwashed into believing without doing any research or suing critical thinking on their own.  I mean, how else could we have ended up with Trump?  It a sad state of affairs. 
    Well said, Brian. 

    It's more than a bit frustrating, isn't it?

    That brings up the question of what to do about it- how to not only get more people out to vote, but how to get them to vote in a more informed manner.  Better education and parenting come to mind, but education in the U.S. seems to be a low priority and better parenting cannot be made mandatory.  I don't know how or if things will get better that way.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    what is up with Bloomberg? seems to spending a lot of money but is he gaining any traction? 
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