The Democratic Presidential Debates

1…5455575960…345

Comments

  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,834
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:

     Her "comparison" must be European countries,  not the world political stage and certainly not the States. 
    So, her "comparison" is Europe. And your "world political stage" is what? And if it's a comparison - then how could it be or certainly not be the States? If "the States" - then it wouldn't be a comparison. 

    - The new Pearl jam album sounds a lot more New Wave than Neil Young does.

    - In a "Comparison" to Neil Young yes -- but it sounds the exact same amount of New Wave as Pearl Jam does!


    If you include China,  Russia,  Turkey,  Iran, and a host of African and ME nations,  it's really hard to declare the Democratic party as center conservative.  That's silly.  There's more to the world than Western Europe
    Solid point. 
    hippiemom = goodness
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    Hillary didn't get the message about cooling down the rhetoric 


  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    edited January 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:

     Her "comparison" must be European countries,  not the world political stage and certainly not the States. 
    So, her "comparison" is Europe. And your "world political stage" is what? And if it's a comparison - then how could it be or certainly not be the States? If "the States" - then it wouldn't be a comparison. 

    - The new Pearl jam album sounds a lot more New Wave than Neil Young does.

    - In a "Comparison" to Neil Young yes -- but it sounds the exact same amount of New Wave as Pearl Jam does!


    If you include China,  Russia,  Turkey,  Iran, and a host of African and ME nations,  it's really hard to declare the Democratic party as center conservative.  That's silly.  There's more to the world than Western Europe

    cincybearcat says - you do have a solid point --  i guess, if you include severely broken and corrupt dictatorships or de facto dictatorships.

    Lol. 

    "Why compare with Europe when you can compare yourself to Russia"

    - Pearl Jam Backspacer was pretty bad compared to Nine Inch Nails latest album.

    - But not if you compare it to Rebecca Black!


    Solid point.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    pjl44 said:
    Hillary didn't get the message about cooling down the rhetoric 


    in what way is he a "Career politician?" 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:

     Her "comparison" must be European countries,  not the world political stage and certainly not the States. 
    So, her "comparison" is Europe. And your "world political stage" is what? And if it's a comparison - then how could it be or certainly not be the States? If "the States" - then it wouldn't be a comparison. 

    - The new Pearl jam album sounds a lot more New Wave than Neil Young does.

    - In a "Comparison" to Neil Young yes -- but it sounds the exact same amount of New Wave as Pearl Jam does!


    If you include China,  Russia,  Turkey,  Iran, and a host of African and ME nations,  it's really hard to declare the Democratic party as center conservative.  That's silly.  There's more to the world than Western Europe

    cincybearcat says - you do have a solid point --  i guess, if you include severely broken and corrupt dictatorships or de facto dictatorships.

    Lol. 

    "Why compare with Europe when you can compare yourself to Russia"

    - Pearl Jam Backspacer was pretty bad compared to Nine Inch Nails latest album.

    - But not if you compare it to Rebecca Black!


    Solid point.
    Yeah, that’s right.  That’s the world political stage.  Reality sucks.  
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:

     Her "comparison" must be European countries,  not the world political stage and certainly not the States. 
    So, her "comparison" is Europe. And your "world political stage" is what? And if it's a comparison - then how could it be or certainly not be the States? If "the States" - then it wouldn't be a comparison. 

    - The new Pearl jam album sounds a lot more New Wave than Neil Young does.

    - In a "Comparison" to Neil Young yes -- but it sounds the exact same amount of New Wave as Pearl Jam does!


    If you include China,  Russia,  Turkey,  Iran, and a host of African and ME nations,  it's really hard to declare the Democratic party as center conservative.  That's silly.  There's more to the world than Western Europe

    cincybearcat says - you do have a solid point --  i guess, if you include severely broken and corrupt dictatorships or de facto dictatorships.

    Lol. 

    "Why compare with Europe when you can compare yourself to Russia"

    - Pearl Jam Backspacer was pretty bad compared to Nine Inch Nails latest album.

    - But not if you compare it to Rebecca Black!


    Solid point.
    Yeah, that’s right.  That’s the world political stage.  Reality sucks.  
    Lol. Sure thing.

    very solid.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:

     Her "comparison" must be European countries,  not the world political stage and certainly not the States. 
    So, her "comparison" is Europe. And your "world political stage" is what? And if it's a comparison - then how could it be or certainly not be the States? If "the States" - then it wouldn't be a comparison. 

    - The new Pearl jam album sounds a lot more New Wave than Neil Young does.

    - In a "Comparison" to Neil Young yes -- but it sounds the exact same amount of New Wave as Pearl Jam does!


    If you include China,  Russia,  Turkey,  Iran, and a host of African and ME nations,  it's really hard to declare the Democratic party as center conservative.  That's silly.  There's more to the world than Western Europe

    cincybearcat says - you do have a solid point --  i guess, if you include severely broken and corrupt dictatorships or de facto dictatorships.

    Lol. 

    "Why compare with Europe when you can compare yourself to Russia"

    - Pearl Jam Backspacer was pretty bad compared to Nine Inch Nails latest album.

    - But not if you compare it to Rebecca Black!


    Solid point.
    Yeah, that’s right.  That’s the world political stage.  Reality sucks.  
    Lol. Sure thing.

    very solid.
    It’s tough when you don’t have a counter argument.  It’s easy to resort to snark.  But it’s not my point, it is hers.  And I think it’s incorrect as stated.  It’s also irrelevant.   She can walk around and complain that the Democratic Party isn’t elitist and narrow enough ideologically all she wants.  But it doesn’t change the fact that she needs to be a part of it or exit.  Because her view is the minority view as of today.  The party hasn’t nominated a far left candidate since McGovern.  How’d that work out?
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    edited January 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:

     Her "comparison" must be European countries,  not the world political stage and certainly not the States. 
    So, her "comparison" is Europe. And your "world political stage" is what? And if it's a comparison - then how could it be or certainly not be the States? If "the States" - then it wouldn't be a comparison. 

    - The new Pearl jam album sounds a lot more New Wave than Neil Young does.

    - In a "Comparison" to Neil Young yes -- but it sounds the exact same amount of New Wave as Pearl Jam does!


    If you include China,  Russia,  Turkey,  Iran, and a host of African and ME nations,  it's really hard to declare the Democratic party as center conservative.  That's silly.  There's more to the world than Western Europe

    cincybearcat says - you do have a solid point --  i guess, if you include severely broken and corrupt dictatorships or de facto dictatorships.

    Lol. 

    "Why compare with Europe when you can compare yourself to Russia"

    - Pearl Jam Backspacer was pretty bad compared to Nine Inch Nails latest album.

    - But not if you compare it to Rebecca Black!


    Solid point.
    Yeah, that’s right.  That’s the world political stage.  Reality sucks.  
    Lol. Sure thing.

    very solid.
    It’s tough when you don’t have a counter argument.  It’s easy to resort to snark.  But it’s not my point, it is hers.  And I think it’s incorrect as stated.  It’s also irrelevant.   She can walk around and complain that the Democratic Party isn’t elitist and narrow enough ideologically all she wants.  But it doesn’t change the fact that she needs to be a part of it or exit.  Because her view is the minority view as of today.  The party hasn’t nominated a far left candidate since McGovern.  How’d that work out?
    Journalist: The unemployment-numbers here are quite high, how are you gonna fix that?

    Politician: HAVE YOU SEEN NORTH KOREA?

    Journalist: True. World stage. unemployment-numbers are great. Solid even.



    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    When is the next debate? 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    honestly, i don't blame people for not being highly informed. the amount of effort it takes to wade through the bullshit and get the real deal is infuriating. most people are way too busy for that. 

    That's why I'm liking Yang more and more these days- less bullshit, more straightforward ideas based on good thinking.  And he's the only one who has avoided all the usual mudslinging bullshit and stuck to the issues- one very big reason I can't no longer get behind the front runners. 
    Perhaps im wrong but I don't recall Pete, Joe or Amy launching any attacks on Democrats either.  Bernie,  Warren,  Booker, and Kamela all did so.  I admittedly haven't taken Yang seriously,  but I enjoyed him on Maher this week. 

    I shouldn't generalize- some for sure have done much less negative campaigning than others. I hadn't taken Yang very seriously either but after spending a lot more time listening to him, I'm stoked.  I really like this guy and what he says.  For example, Yang a said he believes "the American people are looking for a commander-in-chief with the right temperament, judgement, and values."

    And right on cue... https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/479084-sanders-apologizes-to-biden-for-supporters-op-ed

    Good for Bernie for apologizing,  bad for Bernie for having created an environment where they think it's okay.  Sanders people are always on the attack. 

    Agreed on both the good and bad.  This is just not a good time for Dems to be bickering.  That energy is better spend doing what it takes to defeat Trump... and then do even better than that by working to conserve environment, improve education, etc.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    When is the next debate? 

    Feb. 7, I believe, yes?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,388
    google it.  or is that reserved for memes and gifs?
    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mickeyrat said:
    google it.  or is that reserved for memes and gifs?

    I'm working on improving my memory... or at least maintaining what's left of it.  You can Google it.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,388
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    google it.  or is that reserved for memes and gifs?

    I'm working on improving my memory... or at least maintaining what's left of it.  You can Google it.
    wasnt for you Brian...... you arent meme and gif happy are you?
    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    mickeyrat said:
    google it.  or is that reserved for memes and gifs?
    Yes.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    google it.  or is that reserved for memes and gifs?

    I'm working on improving my memory... or at least maintaining what's left of it.  You can Google it.
    wasnt for you Brian...... you arent meme and gif happy are you?

    :lol:

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    pjl44 said:
    pjhawks said:
    what is up with Bloomberg? seems to spending a lot of money but is he gaining any traction? 
    There is this theory:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-bloomberg-presidential-run-cheap-rates-anti-trump-ads-2019-11
    Following up on this theory. Is this guy running for President or does he want to pay candidate rates vs. super pac rates?


  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjhawks said:
    what is up with Bloomberg? seems to spending a lot of money but is he gaining any traction? 
    There is this theory:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-bloomberg-presidential-run-cheap-rates-anti-trump-ads-2019-11
    Following up on this theory. Is this guy running for President or does he want to pay candidate rates vs. super pac rates?


    I don't know, but I think every democrat should welcome it.  Maybe not the candidates who don't want Bloomberg PR, but it's good for us rank and file.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:

     Her "comparison" must be European countries,  not the world political stage and certainly not the States. 
    So, her "comparison" is Europe. And your "world political stage" is what? And if it's a comparison - then how could it be or certainly not be the States? If "the States" - then it wouldn't be a comparison. 

    - The new Pearl jam album sounds a lot more New Wave than Neil Young does.

    - In a "Comparison" to Neil Young yes -- but it sounds the exact same amount of New Wave as Pearl Jam does!


    If you include China,  Russia,  Turkey,  Iran, and a host of African and ME nations,  it's really hard to declare the Democratic party as center conservative.  That's silly.  There's more to the world than Western Europe

    cincybearcat says - you do have a solid point --  i guess, if you include severely broken and corrupt dictatorships or de facto dictatorships.

    Lol. 

    "Why compare with Europe when you can compare yourself to Russia"

    - Pearl Jam Backspacer was pretty bad compared to Nine Inch Nails latest album.

    - But not if you compare it to Rebecca Black!


    Solid point.
    Yeah, that’s right.  That’s the world political stage.  Reality sucks.  
    Lol. Sure thing.

    very solid.
    It’s tough when you don’t have a counter argument.  It’s easy to resort to snark.  But it’s not my point, it is hers.  And I think it’s incorrect as stated.  It’s also irrelevant.   She can walk around and complain that the Democratic Party isn’t elitist and narrow enough ideologically all she wants.  But it doesn’t change the fact that she needs to be a part of it or exit.  Because her view is the minority view as of today.  The party hasn’t nominated a far left candidate since McGovern.  How’d that work out?
    Journalist: The unemployment-numbers here are quite high, how are you gonna fix that?

    Politician: HAVE YOU SEEN NORTH KOREA?

    Journalist: True. World stage. unemployment-numbers are great. Solid even.



    How does one make a statement that the party is center or center-conservative without making a comparison?  When you say "unemployment is bad" that's clearly a comparison to a specific set of reasonably accepted metrics, like "Full employment is 4.5% and we're higher so unemployment is bad".  So how does AOC say the party is center not left?  Compared to what?  
    This is basic debate 101 stuff here.  
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjhawks said:
    what is up with Bloomberg? seems to spending a lot of money but is he gaining any traction? 
    There is this theory:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-bloomberg-presidential-run-cheap-rates-anti-trump-ads-2019-11
    Following up on this theory. Is this guy running for President or does he want to pay candidate rates vs. super pac rates?


    I don't know, but I think every democrat should welcome it.  Maybe not the candidates who don't want Bloomberg PR, but it's good for us rank and file.  
    Yeah, it's kind of a double edged sword, though. If someone is advancing ideas or candidates you like, it's easy for one to welcome it. If it's something you dislike, it's easy for one to scream about the destructive influence of money in politics.
This discussion has been closed.

Categories