This is what I argued four years ago. Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.
Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie.
Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity.
As people has said from the beginning ”they will label us socialists whoever we pick”.
This is what I argued four years ago. Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.
Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie.
Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity.
Andrew Yang has also been labeled a "socialist" by some which is quite the joke and, sadly, proves that many Americans don't read very well or think very clearly or critically. Thus Yang's slogan: MATH, Make America Think Harder. Many people need to think harder. I try, but I know I can do better.
UBI is pretty socialist, don't you think, Brian?
social security is pretty socialist, don’t you think, Hugh?
yes, we (US and Canada) have many social programs. I just believe UBI to be a very socialist program.
This is what I argued four years ago. Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.
Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie.
Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity.
As people has said from the beginning ”they will label us socialists whoever we pick”.
This is what I argued four years ago. Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.
Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie.
Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity.
Andrew Yang has also been labeled a "socialist" by some which is quite the joke and, sadly, proves that many Americans don't read very well or think very clearly or critically. Thus Yang's slogan: MATH, Make America Think Harder. Many people need to think harder. I try, but I know I can do better.
UBI is pretty socialist, don't you think, Brian?
social security is pretty socialist, don’t you think, Hugh?
It is.. but social security was established as a social safety net, specifically for the elderly. Remember in this country, you had millions of elderly that became indigent because we had no system, no pension, no 401(k) to support people when they age out of the workplace. It is also expanded to help those who physically cannot work for a variety of reasons. The question is, where does UBI fit into that equation? My understanding is it's not means tested, so what purpose does it serve to give everyone a grand a month, regardless of their need. Is it purely a way to redistribute income? If so, why not means test it? Or why not increase social security benefits for those that need it. I just don't understand the value it adds. Now I have not studied his proposal, so open to hearing about it. But I don't see a scenario where my wife and I should get 2k more a month. Won't that just drive inflation?
Social Security was developed as one part of a multi-faceted move toward social insurance, which extended beyond the elderly (and those with disabilities) to include unemployment (unemployment insurance was part of the original Social Security Act--federal grants to states), etc.. So, treating Social Security as separate from some other remaining New Deal changes does inflect our view of things. Not really disagreeing with anything you said; just pointing out that SS was one part of move toward social welfare that, taken collectively, doesn't look THAT much different than UBI. With that said, I completely agree with your penultimate sentence: I don't think my family should bet UBI either.
IF it doesn't look that much different, why do we need a new social safety net? That's my whole point.
Is UBI meant for everyone, across the board, regardless of income? or is there a salary cap?
Yes, I heard Yang mention somewhere that UBI would be for every adult in the country, even Jeff Bezos (which I thought was an extremely generous statement!)
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
This is what I argued four years ago. Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.
Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie.
Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity.
As people has said from the beginning ”they will label us socialists whoever we pick”.
This is what I argued four years ago. Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.
Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie.
Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity.
Andrew Yang has also been labeled a "socialist" by some which is quite the joke and, sadly, proves that many Americans don't read very well or think very clearly or critically. Thus Yang's slogan: MATH, Make America Think Harder. Many people need to think harder. I try, but I know I can do better.
UBI is pretty socialist, don't you think, Brian?
social security is pretty socialist, don’t you think, Hugh?
It is.. but social security was established as a social safety net, specifically for the elderly. Remember in this country, you had millions of elderly that became indigent because we had no system, no pension, no 401(k) to support people when they age out of the workplace. It is also expanded to help those who physically cannot work for a variety of reasons. The question is, where does UBI fit into that equation? My understanding is it's not means tested, so what purpose does it serve to give everyone a grand a month, regardless of their need. Is it purely a way to redistribute income? If so, why not means test it? Or why not increase social security benefits for those that need it. I just don't understand the value it adds. Now I have not studied his proposal, so open to hearing about it. But I don't see a scenario where my wife and I should get 2k more a month. Won't that just drive inflation?
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This is what I argued four years ago. Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.
Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie.
Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity.
As people has said from the beginning ”they will label us socialists whoever we pick”.
This is what I argued four years ago. Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.
Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie.
Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity.
Andrew Yang has also been labeled a "socialist" by some which is quite the joke and, sadly, proves that many Americans don't read very well or think very clearly or critically. Thus Yang's slogan: MATH, Make America Think Harder. Many people need to think harder. I try, but I know I can do better.
UBI is pretty socialist, don't you think, Brian?
social security is pretty socialist, don’t you think, Hugh?
It is.. but social security was established as a social safety net, specifically for the elderly. Remember in this country, you had millions of elderly that became indigent because we had no system, no pension, no 401(k) to support people when they age out of the workplace. It is also expanded to help those who physically cannot work for a variety of reasons. The question is, where does UBI fit into that equation? My understanding is it's not means tested, so what purpose does it serve to give everyone a grand a month, regardless of their need. Is it purely a way to redistribute income? If so, why not means test it? Or why not increase social security benefits for those that need it. I just don't understand the value it adds. Now I have not studied his proposal, so open to hearing about it. But I don't see a scenario where my wife and I should get 2k more a month. Won't that just drive inflation?
Social Security was developed as one part of a multi-faceted move toward social insurance, which extended beyond the elderly (and those with disabilities) to include unemployment (unemployment insurance was part of the original Social Security Act--federal grants to states), etc.. So, treating Social Security as separate from some other remaining New Deal changes does inflect our view of things. Not really disagreeing with anything you said; just pointing out that SS was one part of move toward social welfare that, taken collectively, doesn't look THAT much different than UBI. With that said, I completely agree with your penultimate sentence: I don't think my family should bet UBI either.
IF it doesn't look that much different, why do we need a new social safety net? That's my whole point.
Robots?
I know that's part of his point, but I'm not sure that's the solution. I'm more inclined to support a government that creates some limitations on robot work. There is truly dignity in work and it is healthy. However, my own counterargument to that is 1. We should not stand in the way of innovation and efficiency and 2. If we did, then the US will become less competitive on the world stage.
It's a tough argument, and I may come around to UBI, but I am probably years away personally, because I think we're a ways away on robots materially taking away jobs. Look at the unemployment numbers.
This is what I argued four years ago. Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.
Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie.
Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity.
As people has said from the beginning ”they will label us socialists whoever we pick”.
This is what I argued four years ago. Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.
Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie.
Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity.
Andrew Yang has also been labeled a "socialist" by some which is quite the joke and, sadly, proves that many Americans don't read very well or think very clearly or critically. Thus Yang's slogan: MATH, Make America Think Harder. Many people need to think harder. I try, but I know I can do better.
UBI is pretty socialist, don't you think, Brian?
social security is pretty socialist, don’t you think, Hugh?
It is.. but social security was established as a social safety net, specifically for the elderly. Remember in this country, you had millions of elderly that became indigent because we had no system, no pension, no 401(k) to support people when they age out of the workplace. It is also expanded to help those who physically cannot work for a variety of reasons. The question is, where does UBI fit into that equation? My understanding is it's not means tested, so what purpose does it serve to give everyone a grand a month, regardless of their need. Is it purely a way to redistribute income? If so, why not means test it? Or why not increase social security benefits for those that need it. I just don't understand the value it adds. Now I have not studied his proposal, so open to hearing about it. But I don't see a scenario where my wife and I should get 2k more a month. Won't that just drive inflation?
Social Security was developed as one part of a multi-faceted move toward social insurance, which extended beyond the elderly (and those with disabilities) to include unemployment (unemployment insurance was part of the original Social Security Act--federal grants to states), etc.. So, treating Social Security as separate from some other remaining New Deal changes does inflect our view of things. Not really disagreeing with anything you said; just pointing out that SS was one part of move toward social welfare that, taken collectively, doesn't look THAT much different than UBI. With that said, I completely agree with your penultimate sentence: I don't think my family should bet UBI either.
IF it doesn't look that much different, why do we need a new social safety net? That's my whole point.
Robots?
I know that's part of his point, but I'm not sure that's the solution. I'm more inclined to support a government that creates some limitations on robot work. There is truly dignity in work and it is healthy. However, my own counterargument to that is 1. We should not stand in the way of innovation and efficiency and 2. If we did, then the US will become less competitive on the world stage.
It's a tough argument, and I may come around to UBI, but I am probably years away personally, because I think we're a ways away on robots materially taking away jobs. Look at the unemployment numbers.
better yet look at the available jobs vs unemployment, which I believe the available jobs outnumber available people....
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No I'm referring to you, in 2019, using language that we now know has racial undertones. Be better than that man. I believe in you.
It is tough to get through to millennials. They have different thinking than us gen x’s.
You mean in the sense that millenials aren't content with posting a constant stream of dubious alt-right "oh, these are so funny if you are a red cap-wearer" pictures on a rock bands message board?
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
No I'm referring to you, in 2019, using language that we now know has racial undertones. Be better than that man. I believe in you.
It is tough to get through to millennials. They have different thinking than us gen x’s.
You mean in the sense that millenials aren't content with posting a constant stream of dubious alt-right "oh, these are so funny if you are a red cap-wearer" pictures on a rock bands message board?
Constant stream? The sanders drink was classic and true.
No I'm referring to you, in 2019, using language that we now know has racial undertones. Be better than that man. I believe in you.
It is tough to get through to millennials. They have different thinking than us gen x’s.
You mean in the sense that millenials aren't content with posting a constant stream of dubious alt-right "oh, these are so funny if you are a red cap-wearer" pictures on a rock bands message board?
Constant stream? The sanders drink was classic and true.
No need to act naive.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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No I'm referring to you, in 2019, using language that we now know has racial undertones. Be better than that man. I believe in you.
It is tough to get through to millennials. They have different thinking than us gen x’s.
You mean in the sense that millenials aren't content with posting a constant stream of dubious alt-right "oh, these are so funny if you are a red cap-wearer" pictures on a rock bands message board?
Constant stream? The sanders drink was classic and true.
No need to act naive.
I can’t imagine getting this worked up over a drink menu that made fun of both the left and right.
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Robots?
Yes, I heard Yang mention somewhere that UBI would be for every adult in the country, even Jeff Bezos (which I thought was an extremely generous statement!)
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"citizen", yes good point, I think it means every citizen.
It's a tough argument, and I may come around to UBI, but I am probably years away personally, because I think we're a ways away on robots materially taking away jobs. Look at the unemployment numbers.
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- Olof Palme
Democratic socialist
Sen. Sanders Surges In Latest Round Of Iowa Polling
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14