Shut out once again. Ten Club, I would like an explanation

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  • indifferentman
    indifferentman Goshen, IN Posts: 731
    I don't care what they say about the new Best Available option, IMO if you want to get in the door at all costs for the one show that you can't miss, you put down Reserved.  I get it if you have a really high 10c number and you're almost better off with a public sale or finding a spare instead, but if it means enough to you to be there any you have decent seniority you should go reserved.  I have yet to be completely skunked on the a tour when I put in RES as my 1st priority per show.  

    There's a much smaller number of GA tickets now matter what the odds say, and if you're prioritizing that, your odds are going to go down.

    I don't even trust BA honestly, because in my mind, if ALL the requests are getting calculated at once I would assume it's going to prioritize GA first.

    If GA processes at the same time as RES then I feel like RES is going to be going down in availability at the same time that GA is.  So if you picked BA, Not only are you getting one of the GA tix because it tried to fill that for you first, but the number of RES is going to be equally dropping or even going faster.  Your chance at RES may effectively become the 3rd pass of allocations, and you could be outta luck by then.  

    I put in for 1) MSG RES, 2) BAL RES, and 3) SD BA.  I'm only using BA on SD because it would be nice if I got a GA for one show but it's not going to break my heart if I don't have to fly cross country and take vacation time to be there.



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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,554
    Sounds like someone doesn't wear his tshirt. 
  • BennyLaRue
    BennyLaRue Posts: 751
    Gonzo1977 said:
    BennyLaRue said:
    Yep - exactly what you were promised though so this shouldn't be news.
      Great business model. We'll automatically take money out of your account each year, make you believe you're accumulating seniority by staying a member....but then we slowly take away all the benefits you originally signed up for in the first place, take your money and give you nothing of value in return.  I feel like I'm enrolled in Trump University.
    The business model works since you keep handing them money. You don't have to. Honestly man, I'm bummed they don't rub my back when I buy a Big Mac but I'm not going to complain about it - I know what comes with the Big Mac.
  • radial21
    radial21 Posts: 232
    Gonzo1977 said:
    BennyLaRue said:
    Yep - exactly what you were promised though so this shouldn't be news.
      Great business model. We'll automatically take money out of your account each year, make you believe you're accumulating seniority by staying a member....but then we slowly take away all the benefits you originally signed up for in the first place, take your money and give you nothing of value in return.  I feel like I'm enrolled in Trump University.
    Drop your membership then.....if you aren’t happy with the service being provided then that’s your right. 

    It’s impossible for the 10c to get tickets to every person who wants them for every show.  They do the best they can, and it sure seems like most people are getting tickets this year.  It sucks that you didn’t, but there’s no guarantee of anything by being a 10c member.  I put in for Baltimore and will be totally bummed if I don’t get tickets, but I surely won’t come on the board and bash the club if I don’t.  
  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    JimmyV said:
    Gonzo1977 said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Gonzo1977 said:
    Great! so as I now understand this system....neither seniority, time of request, show or seat preference have anything to do with getting Pearl Jam tickets at your local show. It's now truly a lottery system, and being a 10 club member for over 25 years, means you get a T-shirt and an email every once in a while about various charities and heads up about vault shows that you can buy from the 10 club for a higher price than on Amazon. Nice !!      
    It's been this way a long time
    Never had an issue getting tickets before
    So you missed out on tickets once and now think the membership that got you tickets every time before has little/no value?
    Exactly. What is the value of a 10 club membership now? A chance to play the lottery? 
  • JR86440
    JR86440 Posts: 753
    BennyLaRue said:
    JR86440 said:
    I am trying to remember if I did that as well and have no idea. I remember putting my email when I first signed up, but after that, I changed my show choices a few times. I have no idea if I had to go thru the whole billing process again or not? and if so, if I put in my tenclub or ticketmaster email. Either way, it should NOT affect tickets. If so, that is ridiculous. Once you get your passcode, you should be able to buy tickets, simple as that
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    It was in the instructions, man. They need a unique identifier for you. Don't know what else to say.
    Right. I received the password so wouldn't that be the unique identifier??? You get a password, you should be able to get tickets. Simple as that
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    edited January 2020
    Exactly. What is the value of a 10 club membership now? A chance to play the lottery? 
    For most of us...yeah. 
  • cannotstaylong
    cannotstaylong Posts: 668
    edited January 2020
    Gonzo1977 said:
    BennyLaRue said:
    Yep - exactly what you were promised though so this shouldn't be news.
      Great business model. We'll automatically take money out of your account each year, make you believe you're accumulating seniority by staying a member....but then we slowly take away all the benefits you originally signed up for in the first place, take your money and give you nothing of value in return.  I feel like I'm enrolled in Trump University.
    You are still accumulating seniority by maintaining your membership.  In the event you were successful in scoring reserved seats for a show, your seniority would give you better seats than someone who joined last year.  It's pretty simple.

    Consider the alternative situation in which tickets are allocated based on seniority alone.  There would be little membership value at all for newer members.

    So the current approach actually is a great business model for the band.  It encourages new members to fork over money to join the 10C....
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,554
    Sounds like someone didn't download his bootleg
  • BennyLaRue
    BennyLaRue Posts: 751
    JR86440 said:
    Right. I received the password so wouldn't that be the unique identifier??? You get a password, you should be able to get tickets. Simple as that
    What's to stop anyone from just putting in random numbers then? Need to marry it up with a valid email address. A specific, valid email address associated with the 10C account.
  • tdawe
    tdawe Posts: 2,091
    Gonzo1977 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Gonzo1977 said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Gonzo1977 said:
    Great! so as I now understand this system....neither seniority, time of request, show or seat preference have anything to do with getting Pearl Jam tickets at your local show. It's now truly a lottery system, and being a 10 club member for over 25 years, means you get a T-shirt and an email every once in a while about various charities and heads up about vault shows that you can buy from the 10 club for a higher price than on Amazon. Nice !!      
    It's been this way a long time
    Never had an issue getting tickets before
    So you missed out on tickets once and now think the membership that got you tickets every time before has little/no value?
    Exactly. What is the value of a 10 club membership now? A chance to play the lottery? 
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  • SpinTheLastExit
    SpinTheLastExit Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 460
    JR86440 said:
    BennyLaRue said:
    JR86440 said:
    I am trying to remember if I did that as well and have no idea. I remember putting my email when I first signed up, but after that, I changed my show choices a few times. I have no idea if I had to go thru the whole billing process again or not? and if so, if I put in my tenclub or ticketmaster email. Either way, it should NOT affect tickets. If so, that is ridiculous. Once you get your passcode, you should be able to buy tickets, simple as that
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    It was in the instructions, man. They need a unique identifier for you. Don't know what else to say.
    Right. I received the password so wouldn't that be the unique identifier??? You get a password, you should be able to get tickets. Simple as that
    But historically that's not the way a 10C pre-sale has worked. You're right that it works for other bands but they've never had a lottery system. With PJ a password is not an entitlement to get a ticket; it's a chance to get tickets.
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  • Abe Froman
    Abe Froman Posts: 5,381
    Gonzo1977 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Gonzo1977 said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Gonzo1977 said:
    Great! so as I now understand this system....neither seniority, time of request, show or seat preference have anything to do with getting Pearl Jam tickets at your local show. It's now truly a lottery system, and being a 10 club member for over 25 years, means you get a T-shirt and an email every once in a while about various charities and heads up about vault shows that you can buy from the 10 club for a higher price than on Amazon. Nice !!      
    It's been this way a long time
    Never had an issue getting tickets before
    So you missed out on tickets once and now think the membership that got you tickets every time before has little/no value?
    Exactly. What is the value of a 10 club membership now? A chance to play the lottery? 
    Yes.  If thousands of 10c members want tickets to the same show why should they all not have the same opportunity?
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,601
    I get people are disappointed but the entitlement and overreactions...wow. 
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  • pjsteelerfan
    pjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,905
    indifferentman said:
    I don't care what they say about the new Best Available option, IMO if you want to get in the door at all costs for the one show that you can't miss, you put down Reserved.  I get it if you have a really high 10c number and you're almost better off with a public sale or finding a spare instead, but if it means enough to you to be there any you have decent seniority you should go reserved.  I have yet to be completely skunked on the a tour when I put in RES as my 1st priority per show.  

    There's a much smaller number of GA tickets now matter what the odds say, and if you're prioritizing that, your odds are going to go down.

    I don't even trust BA honestly, because in my mind, if ALL the requests are getting calculated at once I would assume it's going to prioritize GA first.

    If GA processes at the same time as RES then I feel like RES is going to be going down in availability at the same time that GA is.  So if you picked BA, Not only are you getting one of the GA tix because it tried to fill that for you first, but the number of RES is going to be equally dropping or even going faster.  Your chance at RES may effectively become the 3rd pass of allocations, and you could be outta luck by then.  

    I put in for 1) MSG RES, 2) BAL RES, and 3) SD BA.  I'm only using BA on SD because it would be nice if I got a GA for one show but it's not going to break my heart if I don't have to fly cross country and take vacation time to be there.



    It is likely you will at least win reserved with a BA for San Diego 
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  • Abe Froman
    Abe Froman Posts: 5,381
    JimmyV said:
    I get people are disappointed but the entitlement and overreactions...wow. 
    No shit.  
  • JR86440
    JR86440 Posts: 753
    BennyLaRue said:
    JR86440 said:
    Right. I received the password so wouldn't that be the unique identifier??? You get a password, you should be able to get tickets. Simple as that
    What's to stop anyone from just putting in random numbers then? Need to marry it up with a valid email address. A specific, valid email address associated with the 10C account.
    Seriously? There were 5 numbers in the password. You know how many different combinations there are? Also, if you received confirmation from Ticketstoday, then everything should be fine. Why send confirmation if everything doesn't add up??
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    SpinTheLastExit said:
    I'm sick of seeing the word "seniority".
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  • incidental immortality
    incidental immortality CT Posts: 444
    indifferentman said:
    I don't care what they say about the new Best Available option, IMO if you want to get in the door at all costs for the one show that you can't miss, you put down Reserved.  I get it if you have a really high 10c number and you're almost better off with a public sale or finding a spare instead, but if it means enough to you to be there any you have decent seniority you should go reserved.  I have yet to be completely skunked on the a tour when I put in RES as my 1st priority per show.  

    There's a much smaller number of GA tickets now matter what the odds say, and if you're prioritizing that, your odds are going to go down.

    I don't even trust BA honestly, because in my mind, if ALL the requests are getting calculated at once I would assume it's going to prioritize GA first.

    If GA processes at the same time as RES then I feel like RES is going to be going down in availability at the same time that GA is.  So if you picked BA, Not only are you getting one of the GA tix because it tried to fill that for you first, but the number of RES is going to be equally dropping or even going faster.  Your chance at RES may effectively become the 3rd pass of allocations, and you could be outta luck by then.  

    I put in for 1) MSG RES, 2) BAL RES, and 3) SD BA.  I'm only using BA on SD because it would be nice if I got a GA for one show but it's not going to break my heart if I don't have to fly cross country and take vacation time to be there.



    My guess is that they have changed the way they draw.  In previous lotteries they pulled GA first starting with priority #1.  Once that pool was over, they moved onto the lower priority pools.  Once all GA tickets were awarded they started the Reserved draw beginning again with priority #1 and moving on until all tickets were awarded.

    I believe that with Best Available they should be drawing ALL priority #1 requests (GA, Reserved, and BA) at the same time.  If your name gets pulled and you have GA or BA and GA is available then you get assigned GA.  If your name gets pulled and you entered BA and the GA tickets are gone, you get awarded Reserved.  Again, once the #1 priority pool is over they move to the next priority.

    Again, this is only a guess.  They weren't completely transparent on the old draw process and the new one is even murkier.
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  • NewfieintheUSA
    NewfieintheUSA Posts: 2,416
    Gonzo1977 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Gonzo1977 said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Gonzo1977 said:
    Great! so as I now understand this system....neither seniority, time of request, show or seat preference have anything to do with getting Pearl Jam tickets at your local show. It's now truly a lottery system, and being a 10 club member for over 25 years, means you get a T-shirt and an email every once in a while about various charities and heads up about vault shows that you can buy from the 10 club for a higher price than on Amazon. Nice !!      
    It's been this way a long time
    Never had an issue getting tickets before
    So you missed out on tickets once and now think the membership that got you tickets every time before has little/no value?
    Exactly. What is the value of a 10 club membership now? A chance to play the lottery? 
    Yes, that's exactly why my wife signed up. I was already a member, but she signed up specifically for the ticket lottery chance

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