The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Vote blue no matter whoooooooo
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,834
    Watched part of the debate.  It was interesting to see them go after each other and have the time to do it and respond. 

    Pete took some hits.  Was successful fighting back mostly. 
    Amy is a solid candidate.  Makes too much sense though for the Dems to nominate her
    Joe - dude has the blackest eyes, all pupil.  He had some great, human, funny responses to age questions.  Solid performance.
    Warren - she is what I knew she was.  Her attack on Pete's wine cave I think will hurt Pete, but his comeback was way more impactful.
    Bernie - I'm very tired of this man and his blame game.  
    Andrew - solid performance.  Not a politician really and it helps.
    Anyone else?  Don't remember them ;)

    I do think Andrew brings some good to the debate, but I don't feel he has a shot.  I'd prefer he moderate a future debate than participate.  I wish Pete and Amy could become 1 candidate, and Warren/Sanders could become 1 candidate.  a 3 way race between the Pete/Amy Cyborg, Biden, and the far left cyborg would be interesting.
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Fundraising is the weakest of metrics to judge inclusion in the Tom Perez debate show  Money should be out of politics.

    I like Andrew Yang.  He gonna make a great cabinet member OR VP.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    cincybearcat said:
    Watched part of the debate.  It was interesting to see them go after each other and have the time to do it and respond. 

    Pete took some hits.  Was successful fighting back mostly. 
    Amy is a solid candidate.  Makes too much sense though for the Dems to nominate her
    Joe - dude has the blackest eyes, all pupil.  He had some great, human, funny responses to age questions.  Solid performance.
    Warren - she is what I knew she was.  Her attack on Pete's wine cave I think will hurt Pete, but his comeback was way more impactful.
    Bernie - I'm very tired of this man and his blame game.  
    Andrew - solid performance.  Not a politician really and it helps.
    Anyone else?  Don't remember them ;)

    I do think Andrew brings some good to the debate, but I don't feel he has a shot.  I'd prefer he moderate a future debate than participate.  I wish Pete and Amy could become 1 candidate, and Warren/Sanders could become 1 candidate.  a 3 way race between the Pete/Amy Cyborg, Biden, and the far left cyborg would be interesting.
    This seems to be about right.  I am tired of the 'billionaire' attacks by Warren, even though she is definitely a 1%er herself.  This was Pete's first night on the hot seat and he seems to have acquitted himself well.  He seems to be prepared for all attacks and that speaks well to the way he approaches everything.  I like him, and have since the start.  

    People call Trump "Teflon Don" but you can start applying that to Biden too.  His support seems rock solid.  He may shed or gain a few points here and there, but his floor is pretty locked down. His ceiling is interesting and we'll know soon. 

    Also interesting that M4A seems to be DOA.  Did Warren even talk about it?  I think Bernie did, but it certainly wasn't a focus of the debate like it was when Warren took her shots.  She did not do as well with that as Pete.  

  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,861
    brianlux said:
    Hi! said:
    Im voting Amy.

    If she proves to be a Westerberg or Replacements fan, I might be swayed.  :smiley:



    AMY KLOBUCHAR SHARED HER PRE-DEBATE MUSIC PLAYLIST

    No PJ or Tool, I’m voting Pete then.



    Bullpen - Dessa
    Raspberry Beret - Prince
    We Take Care of Our Own - Bruce Springsteen
    Tightrope - Janelle Monáe
    Love is All Around - Joan Jett
    Born This Way - Lady Gaga
    Best Friend - Sofi Tukker
    Big Yellow Taxi - Joni Mitchell
    Flowers in Your Hair - The Lumineers
    Closer to Fine - Indigo Girls
    The Times They Are A Changin' - Bob Dylan
    Girl from the North Country — Bob Dylan
    Hallelujah - Jeff Buckley
    Fast Car - Tracy Chapman
    Runaway Train — Soul Asylum
    Hey There Delilah - Plain White T’s
    Crowded Table - The Highwomen
    Amie - Pure Prairie League
    Clouds - Zach Sobiech
    This Little Light of Mine - The Steeles
    A Dios Le Pido - Juanes
    The Room Where It Happens - Hamilton cast
    Shining - DJ Khalid, Beyoncé
    Everybody - VV Brown
    Cut to the Feeling - Carly Rae Jepsen
    Like a Girl - Lizzo
    Purple Rain - Prince
    Somewhere Over the Rainbow - Judy Garland
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,861
    Mayor Pete’s a big Radiohead fan.

    ok, made my decision much easier



    https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-pete-buttigieg-president-music-phish-20190419-story.html
  • Hi!
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    Girl From The North Country always gives me a sinking, sad feeling in the pit of my stomach every time I listen to it.

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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,404
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    Hi! said:
    Im voting Amy.

    If she proves to be a Westerberg or Replacements fan, I might be swayed.  :smiley:



    AMY KLOBUCHAR SHARED HER PRE-DEBATE MUSIC PLAYLIST

    No PJ or Tool, I’m voting Pete then.



    Bullpen - Dessa
    Raspberry Beret - Prince
    We Take Care of Our Own - Bruce Springsteen
    Tightrope - Janelle Monáe
    Love is All Around - Joan Jett
    Born This Way - Lady Gaga
    Best Friend - Sofi Tukker
    Big Yellow Taxi - Joni Mitchell
    Flowers in Your Hair - The Lumineers
    Closer to Fine - Indigo Girls
    The Times They Are A Changin' - Bob Dylan
    Girl from the North Country — Bob Dylan
    Hallelujah - Jeff Buckley
    Fast Car - Tracy Chapman
    Runaway Train — Soul Asylum
    Hey There Delilah - Plain White T’s
    Crowded Table - The Highwomen
    Amie - Pure Prairie League
    Clouds - Zach Sobiech
    This Little Light of Mine - The Steeles
    A Dios Le Pido - Juanes
    The Room Where It Happens - Hamilton cast
    Shining - DJ Khalid, Beyoncé
    Everybody - VV Brown
    Cut to the Feeling - Carly Rae Jepsen
    Like a Girl - Lizzo
    Purple Rain - Prince
    Somewhere Over the Rainbow - Judy Garland
    Hmmm, conveniently covers all voter demographics...just saying.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    tbergs said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    Hi! said:
    Im voting Amy.

    If she proves to be a Westerberg or Replacements fan, I might be swayed.  :smiley:



    AMY KLOBUCHAR SHARED HER PRE-DEBATE MUSIC PLAYLIST

    No PJ or Tool, I’m voting Pete then.



    Bullpen - Dessa
    Raspberry Beret - Prince
    We Take Care of Our Own - Bruce Springsteen
    Tightrope - Janelle Monáe
    Love is All Around - Joan Jett
    Born This Way - Lady Gaga
    Best Friend - Sofi Tukker
    Big Yellow Taxi - Joni Mitchell
    Flowers in Your Hair - The Lumineers
    Closer to Fine - Indigo Girls
    The Times They Are A Changin' - Bob Dylan
    Girl from the North Country — Bob Dylan
    Hallelujah - Jeff Buckley
    Fast Car - Tracy Chapman
    Runaway Train — Soul Asylum
    Hey There Delilah - Plain White T’s
    Crowded Table - The Highwomen
    Amie - Pure Prairie League
    Clouds - Zach Sobiech
    This Little Light of Mine - The Steeles
    A Dios Le Pido - Juanes
    The Room Where It Happens - Hamilton cast
    Shining - DJ Khalid, Beyoncé
    Everybody - VV Brown
    Cut to the Feeling - Carly Rae Jepsen
    Like a Girl - Lizzo
    Purple Rain - Prince
    Somewhere Over the Rainbow - Judy Garland
    Hmmm, conveniently covers all voter demographics...just saying.

    Almost, but there's a distinct lack of puck and NO REPLACEMENTS or DINOSAUR JR!  How can I vote for someone who isn't a 'Mats or Dino fan? 

    Ah, but there is this, to which this one time I must subscribe to:

    CM189191 said:
    Vote blue no matter whoooooooo

    Yep!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,961


    Falling down,...not staying down
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Kat said:



    My sister is very active in working to get potential voters registered or re-registered.  She strongly emphasizes this need.  A bit shocking to see such large numbers that way in WI.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,177
    I saw a bumper sticker the other day: Vote, it’s not illegal. Yet.
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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited December 2019
    brianlux said:
    Kat said:



    My sister is very active in working to get potential voters registered or re-registered.  She strongly emphasizes this need.  A bit shocking to see such large numbers that way in WI.
    Sorry, this tweet is just wrong.
    I pay close attention to what's going on in Wisconsin.  The tweet Wasn't sent by Pelosi either.
    https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2019/dec/18/nancy-pelosi/nancy-pelosi-claims-200k-will-be-prohibited-voting/

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    RYME said:
    brianlux said:
    Kat said:



    My sister is very active in working to get potential voters registered or re-registered.  She strongly emphasizes this need.  A bit shocking to see such large numbers that way in WI.
    Sorry, this tweet is just wrong.
    I pay close attention to what's going on in Wisconsin.  The tweet Wasn't sent by Pelosi either.
    https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2019/dec/18/nancy-pelosi/nancy-pelosi-claims-200k-will-be-prohibited-voting/


    Could be, RYME.  In any case, Wisconsin has had similar problems in the past (reportedly in 2016), so I'm not 100% convinced something is not up with all that.  In any case, if I lived in that state, I would make sure my voter registration is up to date.  Pretty much a good idea everywhere for that matter.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    brianlux said:
    Kat said:



    My sister is very active in working to get potential voters registered or re-registered.  She strongly emphasizes this need.  A bit shocking to see such large numbers that way in WI.
    Sorry, this tweet is just wrong.
    I pay close attention to what's going on in Wisconsin.  The tweet Wasn't sent by Pelosi either.
    https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2019/dec/18/nancy-pelosi/nancy-pelosi-claims-200k-will-be-prohibited-voting/


    Could be, RYME.  In any case, Wisconsin has had similar problems in the past (reportedly in 2016), so I'm not 100% convinced something is not up with all that.  In any case, if I lived in that state, I would make sure my voter registration is up to date.  Pretty much a good idea everywhere for that matter.

  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited December 2019
    RYME said:
    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    brianlux said:
    Kat said:



    My sister is very active in working to get potential voters registered or re-registered.  She strongly emphasizes this need.  A bit shocking to see such large numbers that way in WI.
    Sorry, this tweet is just wrong.
    I pay close attention to what's going on in Wisconsin.  The tweet Wasn't sent by Pelosi either.
    https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2019/dec/18/nancy-pelosi/nancy-pelosi-claims-200k-will-be-prohibited-voting/


    Could be, RYME.  In any case, Wisconsin has had similar problems in the past (reportedly in 2016), so I'm not 100% convinced something is not up with all that.  In any case, if I lived in that state, I would make sure my voter registration is up to date.  Pretty much a good idea everywhere for that matter.

    No the Tweet was by a mouse calling a foul ball before the pitch has been thrown.
    The reason why Trump won in Wisconsin last time, was because our
    Senator Ron Johnson was on the ballot.  Senator Ron Johnson is a popular senator in Wisconsin. Enough people who came out specifically to vote for Ron Johnson (that we're very reluctant about Trump at the time)
    voted for Johnson, and while they were there voting for Johnson bit their tongue and pulled the lever for Trump anyhow, almost like an afterthought.
    Trump's win in Wisconsin wasn't by much, but enough popularity came with the Ron Johnson vote to drag Trump over the Finish Line in Wisconsin, it was a narrow victory for Trump in Wisconsin but it wasn't voter suppression.
    (and just a little heads up, you going to be hearing a lot about Ron Johnson in the coming year)

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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,961
    edited December 2019
    RYME said:
    brianlux said:
    Kat said:



    My sister is very active in working to get potential voters registered or re-registered.  She strongly emphasizes this need.  A bit shocking to see such large numbers that way in WI.
    Sorry, this tweet is just wrong.
    I pay close attention to what's going on in Wisconsin.  The tweet Wasn't sent by Pelosi either.
    https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2019/dec/18/nancy-pelosi/nancy-pelosi-claims-200k-will-be-prohibited-voting/


    Thank you for posting that link, Ryme. The good news about what's going on Wisconsin is that it appears that it's possible for voters to re-register at the polls on election day, at the clerk's office or re-register online. I have to wonder why a lawsuit was brought to have voters removed immediately if it's so easy to re-register though. And why were more purge notices sent to Dem districts, those won by Hillary Clinton?

    "A series of ensuing lawsuits and court actions have sought to more quickly remove these people from the voting rolls -- or delay that from happening."

    Smells like shenanigans to me.

    Here's some additional info about Wisconsin. I'm sure Team Pelosi doesn't want their pants on fire along with their hair on fire because of what's going on in Wisconsin. They don't need to exaggerate; the situation is alarming enough. We don't want cheating in our elections and Georgia is having issues too. Having good info will only help us and it's my hope that we'll all be able to check info here in our posts so we'll all know more during the coming election year. :)  There is audio online now of this below.




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    Falling down,...not staying down
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,861
    brianlux said:
    Kat said:



    My sister is very active in working to get potential voters registered or re-registered.  She strongly emphasizes this need.  A bit shocking to see such large numbers that way in WI.


    This is probably the most important issue in our country. Standing ovation for your sister.

    the night Trump was elected and I was uncharacteristically drinking and taking pills to cope, I saw the missing votes in Milwaukee early that next morning and was horrified. Also that hangover and that reality of having to bow to trump and the Rs.

    frankly I’m stunned the Dems didn’t raise hell over this and raise money and blanket the county street by street itemizing who did not vote and why.

    this issue is the main reason I think trump has a real chance at reelection, and this Pelosi comment is a rarity from Dem leadership.

    They are boxed into a corner by Clinton, THANKS HILARY, because she made an issue of accepting the results whatever they are, even if fraudulent. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    Kat said:



    My sister is very active in working to get potential voters registered or re-registered.  She strongly emphasizes this need.  A bit shocking to see such large numbers that way in WI.


    This is probably the most important issue in our country. Standing ovation for your sister.

    the night Trump was elected and I was uncharacteristically drinking and taking pills to cope, I saw the missing votes in Milwaukee early that next morning and was horrified. Also that hangover and that reality of having to bow to trump and the Rs.

    frankly I’m stunned the Dems didn’t raise hell over this and raise money and blanket the county street by street itemizing who did not vote and why.

    this issue is the main reason I think trump has a real chance at reelection, and this Pelosi comment is a rarity from Dem leadership.

    They are boxed into a corner by Clinton, THANKS HILARY, because she made an issue of accepting the results whatever they are, even if fraudulent. 

    Excellent points, Lerxst.  Hillary did lay down rather surprisingly easily.  It's also surprising that so many people who probably would have voted for Hillary stayed home that fateful day.  Add to that the fact that even despite low voter turn out, Hillary  had more votes anyway.  The whole thing has been a travesty ever since.  2020 has to turn out differently or we're all screwed.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    brianlux said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    Kat said:



    My sister is very active in working to get potential voters registered or re-registered.  She strongly emphasizes this need.  A bit shocking to see such large numbers that way in WI.


    This is probably the most important issue in our country. Standing ovation for your sister.

    the night Trump was elected and I was uncharacteristically drinking and taking pills to cope, I saw the missing votes in Milwaukee early that next morning and was horrified. Also that hangover and that reality of having to bow to trump and the Rs.

    frankly I’m stunned the Dems didn’t raise hell over this and raise money and blanket the county street by street itemizing who did not vote and why.

    this issue is the main reason I think trump has a real chance at reelection, and this Pelosi comment is a rarity from Dem leadership.

    They are boxed into a corner by Clinton, THANKS HILARY, because she made an issue of accepting the results whatever they are, even if fraudulent. 

    Excellent points, Lerxst.  Hillary did lay down rather surprisingly easily.  It's also surprising that so many people who probably would have voted for Hillary stayed home that fateful day.  Add to that the fact that even despite low voter turn out, Hillary  had more votes anyway.  The whole thing has been a travesty ever since.  2020 has to turn out differently or we're all screwed.
    But even if Wisconsin was overturned,  didn't she need PA or Michigan too?  I'm not sure it changed the the outcome
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