The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,913
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I think it's a really big mistake to hold that First Nations heritage thing against Warren.
    Personally, I think it's a minor issue and I like her a lot.  But why did she do that and how will it affect her chances of winning?  Those are the important questions.
    She didn't make a decision to lie. She repeated what she had been taught to her by her entire family for her entire life. It turned out that what she and her family regarded as their history was wrong. It was completely innocent on her part, and I actually feel bad for her just because she learned that part of her identity was based on incorrect info.


    Warren has used bad judgment many times in recent years. Why did trump attack her before the dna test so strongly? Because he judged her ethnicity by her appearance. It's not fair but that's the risk she took by not backing off the decision she made as a young adult (to advance her family's claim without evidence).

    Instead she doubled down with the dna test. Then she did it again by exclaiming the test supported her narrative.

    She did not back down until the Native Americans told her she was being insulting to them 

    She allowed herself to be backed into a corner by trump. She also has wobbled twice on her centerpiece Medicare plan because she is starting to realize moderates are disgusted by it.

     As of friday, she now wants Bidens plan for 3 years then her plan. She's a literal train wreck .


    To beat trump we need someone with street smarts before they act. Warren has proven many times that's not her. She is not the person capable  to take down trump in a solid economy.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    Hi! said:
    https://www.marijuanamoment.net/presidential-candidate-pete-buttigieg-tours-marijuana-dispensary-and-grow-house/
    I would love to sit down and have a smoke with Pete!  :smiley:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    ikiT said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ikiT said:
    dignin said:
    Haha, okay Boomer.

    Biden says he won't legalize marijuana because it may be a 'gateway drug'


    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/470861-biden-says-he-wont-legalize-marijuana-because-it-may-be-a-gateway-drug
    yo fuck that.  nice knowing you.
    Did you read the article or just the headline?  While I'm not aligned with him on this issue, it sure as hell isn't my make or break one either.  If Trump ran against Biden and declared that he supported Fed legalization, would you vote for Trump over Biden?

    Biden, as he has throughout his time on the campaign trail, said he supports medical marijuana and insisted possession of the substance "should not be a crime."

    But he also said Saturday that he thinks the decision to legalize marijuana should be left up to individual states.

    “States should be able to make a judgment to legalize marijuana,” he said at the town hall.

    As for legalization on a federal level, Biden said more research is needed.

    He will not have my primary support.


    Simply based of that issue, or for other reasons?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Joe's mad reasonable.  Not the most progressive, but reasonable.

    Everybody already crossed the weed bridge.  
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    ikiT said:
    Joe's mad reasonable.  Not the most progressive, but reasonable.

    Everybody already crossed the weed bridge.  
    I think of myself as progressive (but don't use that term as it has been bastardized), but unless we want another 4 years of Trump, we are probably going to need to elect someone "reasonable".  Yes, I might have argued my own point here 3 years ago, but the planet is worse off with Trump than just about anyone.  Except maybe Pence. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,678
    brianlux said:
    ikiT said:
    Joe's mad reasonable.  Not the most progressive, but reasonable.

    Everybody already crossed the weed bridge.  
    I think of myself as progressive (but don't use that term as it has been bastardized), but unless we want another 4 years of Trump, we are probably going to need to elect someone "reasonable".  Yes, I might have argued my own point here 3 years ago, but the planet is worse off with Trump than just about anyone.  Except maybe Pence. 
    You in fact did argue your own point 3 years ago, I can assure you! :lol:;)
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    it will be the Dem nominee, though.

    I'm not cray.
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    As a never trumper, If it's Joe, it's Joe.  He's not my primary choice for now.
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    https://www.instagram.com/p/B5At0ajnifW/
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    Biden sounds like a relic calling weed a "gateway drug." If he insists on being against federal legalization, he should come up with a better reason than a talking point from the mid-1980's. 
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,678
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Biden sounds like a relic calling weed a "gateway drug." If he insists on being against federal legalization, he should come up with a better reason than a talking point from the mid-1980's. 
    Seriously. It really just makes him sound stupid IMO.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,474
    https://youtu.be/Zlv_lcJwEuQ
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    PJ_Soul said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Biden sounds like a relic calling weed a "gateway drug." If he insists on being against federal legalization, he should come up with a better reason than a talking point from the mid-1980's. 
    Seriously. It really just makes him sound stupid IMO.
    Stupid, out-of-touch, stuck in his old ways....any would apply.

    He's likely just trying to come off less "left" than his opponents. I'm sure moderate Democrats and Trump-hating Republicans could appreciate that. But the bulk of the Democratic electorate that he's going need to win the primary? Not sure how well it'll play with them. 
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,678
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Biden sounds like a relic calling weed a "gateway drug." If he insists on being against federal legalization, he should come up with a better reason than a talking point from the mid-1980's. 
    Seriously. It really just makes him sound stupid IMO.
    Stupid, out-of-touch, stuck in his old ways....any would apply.

    He's likely just trying to come off less "left" than his opponents. I'm sure moderate Democrats and Trump-hating Republicans could appreciate that. But the bulk of the Democratic electorate that he's going need to win the primary? Not sure how well it'll play with them. 
    Apparently, only 7% of Americans actually think cannabis should be completely illegal, lol. He doesn't just sound out of touch. He IS out of touch, clearly. If he wasn't, he never would have made that dumbass statement!
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    PJ_Soul said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Biden sounds like a relic calling weed a "gateway drug." If he insists on being against federal legalization, he should come up with a better reason than a talking point from the mid-1980's. 
    Seriously. It really just makes him sound stupid IMO.
    Stupid, out-of-touch, stuck in his old ways....any would apply.

    He's likely just trying to come off less "left" than his opponents. I'm sure moderate Democrats and Trump-hating Republicans could appreciate that. But the bulk of the Democratic electorate that he's going need to win the primary? Not sure how well it'll play with them. 
    Apparently, only 7% of Americans actually think cannabis should be completely illegal, lol. He doesn't just sound out of touch. He IS out of touch, clearly. If he wasn't, he never would have made that dumbass statement!
    Of all the crazy policies touted by this crop of democrats...I’m surprised Joe took this one as the far left. Cause it’s not.  Weird.
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Biden sounds like a relic calling weed a "gateway drug." If he insists on being against federal legalization, he should come up with a better reason than a talking point from the mid-1980's. 
    Seriously. It really just makes him sound stupid IMO.
    Stupid, out-of-touch, stuck in his old ways....any would apply.

    He's likely just trying to come off less "left" than his opponents. I'm sure moderate Democrats and Trump-hating Republicans could appreciate that. But the bulk of the Democratic electorate that he's going need to win the primary? Not sure how well it'll play with them. 
    Apparently, only 7% of Americans actually think cannabis should be completely illegal, lol. He doesn't just sound out of touch. He IS out of touch, clearly. If he wasn't, he never would have made that dumbass statement!
    Of all the crazy policies touted by this crop of democrats...I’m surprised Joe took this one as the far left. Cause it’s not.  Weird.
    Yeah and yet he was one of the dumbasses that raised their hand at the first debate when asked, by a show of hands, about who would support free healthcare for illegal immigrants. And if you ever watch that clip back, he's among the last to raise his hand. Because he KNOWS it's a horrible policy proposal (and an even worse campaign promise to have Trump holding over your head), but he looked around, saw the others raising their hands, and he fell in line like a sheep. 
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    ikiT said:
    Joe's mad reasonable.  Not the most progressive, but reasonable.

    Everybody already crossed the weed bridge.  
    I think of myself as progressive (but don't use that term as it has been bastardized), but unless we want another 4 years of Trump, we are probably going to need to elect someone "reasonable".  Yes, I might have argued my own point here 3 years ago, but the planet is worse off with Trump than just about anyone.  Except maybe Pence. 
    You in fact did argue your own point 3 years ago, I can assure you! :lol:;)
    I did?!

    Ummm, oh yeah... now I remember...
    hide

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Biden sounds like a relic calling weed a "gateway drug." If he insists on being against federal legalization, he should come up with a better reason than a talking point from the mid-1980's. 
    Again though, I think he is trying to woo some of the moderate Republican votes- and a lot of those middle America moderate Republicans probably still do use terms like "gateway drug".  And it's not a bad strategy, especially because I really doubt he cares about weed being legal or not- probably has toked a few himself in his day.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    brianlux said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Biden sounds like a relic calling weed a "gateway drug." If he insists on being against federal legalization, he should come up with a better reason than a talking point from the mid-1980's. 
    Again though, I think he is trying to woo some of the moderate Republican votes- and a lot of those middle America moderate Republicans probably still do use terms like "gateway drug".  And it's not a bad strategy, especially because I really doubt he cares about weed being legal or not- probably has toked a few himself in his day.
    Here is the reality. If Dems want to win republican votes:

    1) be anti-abortion (not likely)
    2) be pro-gun (I hope not likey)
    3) speak about fiscal responsibility (no free everything)
    4) have an actual immigration policy that isn’t dumb. But of course most haven’t come close. Ironically GW and Obama weren’t that bad here 

    Otherwise it doesn’t matter
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Biden sounds like a relic calling weed a "gateway drug." If he insists on being against federal legalization, he should come up with a better reason than a talking point from the mid-1980's. 
    Seriously. It really just makes him sound stupid IMO.
    Stupid, out-of-touch, stuck in his old ways....any would apply.

    He's likely just trying to come off less "left" than his opponents. I'm sure moderate Democrats and Trump-hating Republicans could appreciate that. But the bulk of the Democratic electorate that he's going need to win the primary? Not sure how well it'll play with them. 
    Apparently, only 7% of Americans actually think cannabis should be completely illegal, lol. He doesn't just sound out of touch. He IS out of touch, clearly. If he wasn't, he never would have made that dumbass statement!
    Of all the crazy policies touted by this crop of democrats...I’m surprised Joe took this one as the far left. Cause it’s not.  Weird.
    Yeah and yet he was one of the dumbasses that raised their hand at the first debate when asked, by a show of hands, about who would support free healthcare for illegal immigrants. And if you ever watch that clip back, he's among the last to raise his hand. Because he KNOWS it's a horrible policy proposal (and an even worse campaign promise to have Trump holding over your head), but he looked around, saw the others raising their hands, and he fell in line like a sheep. 
    We discussed this deeply before.  This was a fundamentally unfair question.  Your assessment and pejorative is just as unfair and without thought 

    What if a person had a heart attack? Should they be treated?  Isn't that healthcare?  Stupid questions lead to misunderstanding and inaccurate results,  by all the candidates.  
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