This is getting scary. That is a :31 clip that is a goldmine for the other side. I really prefer if the Democrats refrain from giving them any ammo at all.
That's an old clip, but I'm sure there are many more.
Biden is not the guy to beat Trump like a drum.
Then find that person. It ain't Warren. I hope it's Pete, but I fear he's too nice. I want to see him get amped.
I think Pete and Warren would mop the floor with Trump in a debate. Can you say with confidence that Biden would?
This is getting scary. That is a :31 clip that is a goldmine for the other side. I really prefer if the Democrats refrain from giving them any ammo at all.
That's an old clip, but I'm sure there are many more.
Biden is not the guy to beat Trump like a drum.
Then find that person. It ain't Warren. I hope it's Pete, but I fear he's too nice. I want to see him get amped.
Pete gets none of the black vote. Who else is there?
You have no problem voting for creepy old guys so this shouldn't be a problem.
When you are right, you’re right. I’ll vote for him over Warren any day. Not because I like the guy, but because his policies aren’t all that threatening or extreme.
You have no problem voting for creepy old guys so this shouldn't be a problem.
When you are right, you’re right. I’ll vote for him over Warren any day. Not because I like the guy, but because his policies aren’t all that threatening or extreme.
I actually think I would do the same; I hate warren's policies.
I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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mrussel1 i disagree. we are a laughingstock on the world stage right now. we do not need biden going in there and continuing the clown show. i love fighting joe, but he is not the guy to follow trump in my opinion. it will just be the same thing, gaffe after gaffe. maybe not as often as dumbass trump, but joe will make a lot of mistakes, and we can't have that.
How often does a president have to debate? How often does he riff? Not very often. His/her decisions are informed by a team of advisers that deliberate before making a decision. Speeches are written in advance. While I wish he didn't gaffe, he has done so his entire career, even when he was a young man. It's so irrelevant in the grand scheme of a president's duties.
I have sometimes half jokingly/ half seriously proposed the idea that we don't need a president but rather someone to represent us like a king or queen or "Country's Person of Importance". I say that because in so many cases, a president does exactly what you are basically saying here: they read a speech someone else wrote, make decisions based on what advisors say they should do, and cave in to pressure from others with a lot of money and power. If that is the case, what we really need is someone cool and suave to represent us. Maybe someone cool, smart and sophisticated like Denzel Washington or Ethan Hawke. Don't give them any real power (since the president doesn't really have all that much autonomous power anyway), just let them represent us in a way we can be proud of.
But since no one on the face of the planet has taken my suggestion and run with it, how about we elect a president who isn't a dick, doesn't come off like a buffoon, isn't a bigot or sexist pig, who is smart, diplomatic, well spoken, compassionate, resourceful, and at least decent looking. Is there not one person in politics at least a little bit that anymore? I fear not.
we JUST had that person Brian......
Well, sort of. Trump just isn't all that good looking though.
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This is getting scary. That is a :31 clip that is a goldmine for the other side. I really prefer if the Democrats refrain from giving them any ammo at all.
That's an old clip, but I'm sure there are many more.
Biden is not the guy to beat Trump like a drum.
Then find that person. It ain't Warren. I hope it's Pete, but I fear he's too nice. I want to see him get amped.
I think Pete and Warren would mop the floor with Trump in a debate. Can you say with confidence that Biden would?
Debates don't win presidencies and debates are not judged by a panel on the merits. I think the whole debate thing is rather silly. I don't even watch them anymore. It used to bre more meaningful when people got their information from the nightly news and newspapers.
This is getting scary. That is a :31 clip that is a goldmine for the other side. I really prefer if the Democrats refrain from giving them any ammo at all.
That's an old clip, but I'm sure there are many more.
Biden is not the guy to beat Trump like a drum.
Then find that person. It ain't Warren. I hope it's Pete, but I fear he's too nice. I want to see him get amped.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
This is getting scary. That is a :31 clip that is a goldmine for the other side. I really prefer if the Democrats refrain from giving them any ammo at all.
That's an old clip, but I'm sure there are many more.
Biden is not the guy to beat Trump like a drum.
Then find that person. It ain't Warren. I hope it's Pete, but I fear he's too nice. I want to see him get amped.
I think Pete and Warren would mop the floor with Trump in a debate. Can you say with confidence that Biden would?
Debates don't win presidencies and debates are not judged by a panel on the merits. I think the whole debate thing is rather silly. I don't even watch them anymore. It used to bre more meaningful when people got their information from the nightly news and newspapers.
I disagree. To think that a debate can't win or lose a presidency ignores history. Especially in a historical period where elections have been decided by only thousands of votes.
This is getting scary. That is a :31 clip that is a goldmine for the other side. I really prefer if the Democrats refrain from giving them any ammo at all.
That's an old clip, but I'm sure there are many more.
Biden is not the guy to beat Trump like a drum.
Then find that person. It ain't Warren. I hope it's Pete, but I fear he's too nice. I want to see him get amped.
I think Pete and Warren would mop the floor with Trump in a debate. Can you say with confidence that Biden would?
Debates don't win presidencies and debates are not judged by a panel on the merits. I think the whole debate thing is rather silly. I don't even watch them anymore. It used to bre more meaningful when people got their information from the nightly news and newspapers.
I disagree. To think that a debate can't win or lose a presidency ignores history. Especially in a historical period where elections have been decided by only thousands of votes.
Historically, you are correct. Certainly Kennedy's performance against Nixon in 60 was pivotal, as was Mondale/Reagan, Regan/Carter. However, I don't think that's the case anymore, considering the constant news cycle, people choosing their news sources/angles, etc. That's why I said it used to be more meaningful.
This is getting scary. That is a :31 clip that is a goldmine for the other side. I really prefer if the Democrats refrain from giving them any ammo at all.
That's an old clip, but I'm sure there are many more.
Biden is not the guy to beat Trump like a drum.
Then find that person. It ain't Warren. I hope it's Pete, but I fear he's too nice. I want to see him get amped.
I think Pete and Warren would mop the floor with Trump in a debate. Can you say with confidence that Biden would?
Debates don't win presidencies and debates are not judged by a panel on the merits. I think the whole debate thing is rather silly. I don't even watch them anymore. It used to bre more meaningful when people got their information from the nightly news and newspapers.
I disagree. To think that a debate can't win or lose a presidency ignores history. Especially in a historical period where elections have been decided by only thousands of votes.
And I hate to say it, but the debates matter more than ever in this world full of memes and sound bites.
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This is why I like Biden. She cost him 10 points in the polls with that ridiculous busing comment, yet he is still able to put that aside and recognize that they're on the same fundamental team, and compliment her twice in two days. Not many pols would do such a thing. He appeals to Americans' betters side.
This is getting scary. That is a :31 clip that is a goldmine for the other side. I really prefer if the Democrats refrain from giving them any ammo at all.
That's an old clip, but I'm sure there are many more.
Biden is not the guy to beat Trump like a drum.
Then find that person. It ain't Warren. I hope it's Pete, but I fear he's too nice. I want to see him get amped.
I think Pete and Warren would mop the floor with Trump in a debate. Can you say with confidence that Biden would?
Debates don't win presidencies and debates are not judged by a panel on the merits. I think the whole debate thing is rather silly. I don't even watch them anymore. It used to bre more meaningful when people got their information from the nightly news and newspapers.
I disagree. To think that a debate can't win or lose a presidency ignores history. Especially in a historical period where elections have been decided by only thousands of votes.
And I hate to say it, but the debates matter more than ever in this world full of memes and sound bites.
Ben - you'd be right except for the debates also turn into sound bites.
This is getting scary. That is a :31 clip that is a goldmine for the other side. I really prefer if the Democrats refrain from giving them any ammo at all.
That's an old clip, but I'm sure there are many more.
Biden is not the guy to beat Trump like a drum.
Then find that person. It ain't Warren. I hope it's Pete, but I fear he's too nice. I want to see him get amped.
I think Pete and Warren would mop the floor with Trump in a debate. Can you say with confidence that Biden would?
Debates don't win presidencies and debates are not judged by a panel on the merits. I think the whole debate thing is rather silly. I don't even watch them anymore. It used to bre more meaningful when people got their information from the nightly news and newspapers.
I disagree. To think that a debate can't win or lose a presidency ignores history. Especially in a historical period where elections have been decided by only thousands of votes.
And I hate to say it, but the debates matter more than ever in this world full of memes and sound bites.
Ben - you'd be right except for the debates also turn into sound bites.
Would you support a candidate who refused to debate until nominated, declaring they’d rather convince one on one so as not to be misquoted or sound bited or have their positions misrepresented in the media?
This is getting scary. That is a :31 clip that is a goldmine for the other side. I really prefer if the Democrats refrain from giving them any ammo at all.
That's an old clip, but I'm sure there are many more.
Biden is not the guy to beat Trump like a drum.
Then find that person. It ain't Warren. I hope it's Pete, but I fear he's too nice. I want to see him get amped.
I think Pete and Warren would mop the floor with Trump in a debate. Can you say with confidence that Biden would?
Debates don't win presidencies and debates are not judged by a panel on the merits. I think the whole debate thing is rather silly. I don't even watch them anymore. It used to bre more meaningful when people got their information from the nightly news and newspapers.
I disagree. To think that a debate can't win or lose a presidency ignores history. Especially in a historical period where elections have been decided by only thousands of votes.
And I hate to say it, but the debates matter more than ever in this world full of memes and sound bites.
Ben - you'd be right except for the debates also turn into sound bites.
Would you support a candidate who refused to debate until nominated, declaring they’d rather convince one on one so as not to be misquoted or sound bited or have their positions misrepresented in the media?
Nope. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying for me, the debates aren't particularly instructive in understanding how a president will govern. A debate is about how well someone thinks on their feet, positions an argument to corner their opponent, etc. That's not really how a presidency works. I can get more information from reading their policy positions on their websites, something unavailable in 1960. Now there is value in hearing a candidate deal with counterpoints, and that's why I like watching a candidate in a one on one with Chris Wallace, George, Chuck Todd, etc. Those conversations are valuable to me.
This is getting scary. That is a :31 clip that is a goldmine for the other side. I really prefer if the Democrats refrain from giving them any ammo at all.
That's an old clip, but I'm sure there are many more.
Biden is not the guy to beat Trump like a drum.
Then find that person. It ain't Warren. I hope it's Pete, but I fear he's too nice. I want to see him get amped.
I think Pete and Warren would mop the floor with Trump in a debate. Can you say with confidence that Biden would?
Debates don't win presidencies and debates are not judged by a panel on the merits. I think the whole debate thing is rather silly. I don't even watch them anymore. It used to bre more meaningful when people got their information from the nightly news and newspapers.
I disagree. To think that a debate can't win or lose a presidency ignores history. Especially in a historical period where elections have been decided by only thousands of votes.
And I hate to say it, but the debates matter more than ever in this world full of memes and sound bites.
Ben - you'd be right except for the debates also turn into sound bites.
Would you support a candidate who refused to debate until nominated, declaring they’d rather convince one on one so as not to be misquoted or sound bited or have their positions misrepresented in the media?
Nope. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying for me, the debates aren't particularly instructive in understanding how a president will govern. A debate is about how well someone thinks on their feet, positions an argument to corner their opponent, etc. That's not really how a presidency works. I can get more information from reading their policy positions on their websites, something unavailable in 1960. Now there is value in hearing a candidate deal with counterpoints, and that's why I like watching a candidate in a one on one with Chris Wallace, George, Chuck Todd, etc. Those conversations are valuable to me.
I agree with this. debates are basically political reality tv now.
anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
I guess you can't win for losing.
it's just another highlight on the system that the rich are the ones in power. and it will remain that way. the rich will never give up that power.
Meh... Harris's net worth is close to Biden's, and he has 30 more years of pension which is part of the calculation. So I'm not sure I agree in this case.
anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
Yeah, but what if the white guy (as you so frequently point out) is creepy as hell and should probably adopt a Mike Pence philosophy of not being alone with women?
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anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
Yeah, but what if the white guy (as you so frequently point out) is creepy as hell and should probably adopt a Mike Pence philosophy of not being alone with women?
Biden is creepy as hell and shouldn’t be alone ever with anyone. I’m unsure if just saving the women is enough...we have children and men to think about here.
Creepiness apparently doesn’t effect voters for either party.
anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
I can't speak to the optics of that but just in general, I don't see how Harris could be beneficial to Biden as a running mate. Wasn't he doing better with black voters than her when she dropped out? If she can't help bring in black voters, she's useless. And actually, she might be to his detriment. She's already been rejected by the democratic electorate if she's dropping out before the primaries. And that's the democratic electorate. In a general election, where Biden (or whoever) will be looking to gain votes from independents and people that regret their 2016 Trump vote, Harris as the running-mate will be more hurtful than helpful I think.
This is getting scary. That is a :31 clip that is a goldmine for the other side. I really prefer if the Democrats refrain from giving them any ammo at all.
That's an old clip, but I'm sure there are many more.
Biden is not the guy to beat Trump like a drum.
Then find that person. It ain't Warren. I hope it's Pete, but I fear he's too nice. I want to see him get amped.
I think Pete and Warren would mop the floor with Trump in a debate. Can you say with confidence that Biden would?
Debates don't win presidencies and debates are not judged by a panel on the merits. I think the whole debate thing is rather silly. I don't even watch them anymore. It used to bre more meaningful when people got their information from the nightly news and newspapers.
I disagree. To think that a debate can't win or lose a presidency ignores history. Especially in a historical period where elections have been decided by only thousands of votes.
And I hate to say it, but the debates matter more than ever in this world full of memes and sound bites.
Ben - you'd be right except for the debates also turn into sound bites.
Oh, I just said that the debates matter more than ever, not that they produce good or bad. This is exactly what I meant - the debates matter, but not in a positive way, because these debates are just so easy to exploit.
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anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
I can't speak to the optics of that but just in general, I don't see how Harris could be beneficial to Biden as a running mate. Wasn't he doing better with black voters than her when she dropped out? If she can't help bring in black voters, she's useless. And actually, she might be to his detriment. She's already been rejected by the democratic electorate if she's dropping out before the primaries. And that's the democratic electorate. In a general election, where Biden (or whoever) will be looking to gain votes from independents and people that regret their 2016 Trump vote, Harris as the running-mate will be more hurtful than helpful I think.
The "democratic electorate" is almost a scary as Trump.
So far they've "rejected" everyone except Biden and two socialists
anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy.
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Creepiness apparently doesn’t effect voters for either party.
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The "democratic electorate" is almost a scary as Trump.
So far they've "rejected" everyone except Biden and two socialists
And they're trying their best to reject Biden
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