The Democratic Presidential Debates

brianlux

Jason P said:

Pete probably has a better shot in the next election cycle.  I would not think he would risk a future presidential run by accepting a potentially fatal VP run this election.  

That makes sense also.   If it doesn't turn out to be Pete, I wonder who Biden might choose for his VP?

cincybearcat

brianlux said:

Jason P said:

Pete probably has a better shot in the next election cycle.  I would not think he would risk a future presidential run by accepting a potentially fatal VP run this election.  

That makes sense also.   If it doesn't turn out to be Pete, I wonder who Biden might choose for his VP?

2 things I know for sure:

1) it’ll be a woman
2) Her hair will smell great

JimmyV

If Pete could flip Indiana then he would be a must for the ticket. I seriously doubt that he can.  

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Biden sounds like a relic calling weed a "gateway drug." If he insists on being against federal legalization, he should come up with a better reason than a talking point from the mid-1980's. 

Seriously. It really just makes him sound stupid IMO.

Stupid, out-of-touch, stuck in his old ways....any would apply.

He's likely just trying to come off less "left" than his opponents. I'm sure moderate Democrats and Trump-hating Republicans could appreciate that. But the bulk of the Democratic electorate that he's going need to win the primary? Not sure how well it'll play with them. 

Apparently, only 7% of Americans actually think cannabis should be completely illegal, lol. He doesn't just sound out of touch. He IS out of touch, clearly. If he wasn't, he never would have made that dumbass statement!

Of all the crazy policies touted by this crop of democrats...I’m surprised Joe took this one as the far left. Cause it’s not.  Weird.

Yeah and yet he was one of the dumbasses that raised their hand at the first debate when asked, by a show of hands, about who would support free healthcare for illegal immigrants. And if you ever watch that clip back, he's among the last to raise his hand. Because he KNOWS it's a horrible policy proposal (and an even worse campaign promise to have Trump holding over your head), but he looked around, saw the others raising their hands, and he fell in line like a sheep. 

We discussed this deeply before.  This was a fundamentally unfair question.  Your assessment and pejorative is just as unfair and without thought 

What if a person had a heart attack? Should they be treated?  Isn't that healthcare?  Stupid questions lead to misunderstanding and inaccurate results,  by all the candidates.  

I’m just talking about how it all came off to the TV viewers. Not looking for a health insurance for illegals vs. emergency care for illegals debate. You’re right it was a stupid question. You said we discussed this deeply before...two people on a band’s website. Yet ten presidential candidates on national TV get to raise their hands if they agree with a vague question. It’s ridiculous. 

Wouldn't it have been great if at least a few of those candidates and spoken out and said, "This is a more complex issue than a simple yes or no answer.  I will neither raise nor not raise my hand but would be glad to talk about it further at a later time.  People are so goddamn dumb about shit.  It always has to be "yes" or "no", left or right, up or down.  I say, fuck that shit.

problem is, when a politician starts off an an answer with "there's really no easy answer to this..." people shut their brains off. people want it in black and white so they can understand it and move on. 

HughFreakingDillon

cincybearcat said:

brianlux said:

Jason P said:

Pete probably has a better shot in the next election cycle.  I would not think he would risk a future presidential run by accepting a potentially fatal VP run this election.  

That makes sense also.   If it doesn't turn out to be Pete, I wonder who Biden might choose for his VP?

2 things I know for sure:

1) it’ll be a woman
2) Her hair will smell great

Hillary. HAHAHAHA

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Biden sounds like a relic calling weed a "gateway drug." If he insists on being against federal legalization, he should come up with a better reason than a talking point from the mid-1980's. 

Seriously. It really just makes him sound stupid IMO.

Stupid, out-of-touch, stuck in his old ways....any would apply.

He's likely just trying to come off less "left" than his opponents. I'm sure moderate Democrats and Trump-hating Republicans could appreciate that. But the bulk of the Democratic electorate that he's going need to win the primary? Not sure how well it'll play with them. 

Apparently, only 7% of Americans actually think cannabis should be completely illegal, lol. He doesn't just sound out of touch. He IS out of touch, clearly. If he wasn't, he never would have made that dumbass statement!

Of all the crazy policies touted by this crop of democrats...I’m surprised Joe took this one as the far left. Cause it’s not.  Weird.

Yeah and yet he was one of the dumbasses that raised their hand at the first debate when asked, by a show of hands, about who would support free healthcare for illegal immigrants. And if you ever watch that clip back, he's among the last to raise his hand. Because he KNOWS it's a horrible policy proposal (and an even worse campaign promise to have Trump holding over your head), but he looked around, saw the others raising their hands, and he fell in line like a sheep. 

We discussed this deeply before.  This was a fundamentally unfair question.  Your assessment and pejorative is just as unfair and without thought 

What if a person had a heart attack? Should they be treated?  Isn't that healthcare?  Stupid questions lead to misunderstanding and inaccurate results,  by all the candidates.  

I’m just talking about how it all came off to the TV viewers. Not looking for a health insurance for illegals vs. emergency care for illegals debate. You’re right it was a stupid question. You said we discussed this deeply before...two people on a band’s website. Yet ten presidential candidates on national TV get to raise their hands if they agree with a vague question. It’s ridiculous. 

Wouldn't it have been great if at least a few of those candidates and spoken out and said, "This is a more complex issue than a simple yes or no answer.  I will neither raise nor not raise my hand but would be glad to talk about it further at a later time.  People are so goddamn dumb about shit.  It always has to be "yes" or "no", left or right, up or down.  I say, fuck that shit.

problem is, when a politician starts off an an answer with "there's really no easy answer to this..." people shut their brains off. people want it in black and white so they can understand it and move on. 

People are dumb, dumb, dumb!

mrussel1

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Biden sounds like a relic calling weed a "gateway drug." If he insists on being against federal legalization, he should come up with a better reason than a talking point from the mid-1980's. 

Seriously. It really just makes him sound stupid IMO.

Stupid, out-of-touch, stuck in his old ways....any would apply.

He's likely just trying to come off less "left" than his opponents. I'm sure moderate Democrats and Trump-hating Republicans could appreciate that. But the bulk of the Democratic electorate that he's going need to win the primary? Not sure how well it'll play with them. 

Apparently, only 7% of Americans actually think cannabis should be completely illegal, lol. He doesn't just sound out of touch. He IS out of touch, clearly. If he wasn't, he never would have made that dumbass statement!

Of all the crazy policies touted by this crop of democrats...I’m surprised Joe took this one as the far left. Cause it’s not.  Weird.

Yeah and yet he was one of the dumbasses that raised their hand at the first debate when asked, by a show of hands, about who would support free healthcare for illegal immigrants. And if you ever watch that clip back, he's among the last to raise his hand. Because he KNOWS it's a horrible policy proposal (and an even worse campaign promise to have Trump holding over your head), but he looked around, saw the others raising their hands, and he fell in line like a sheep. 

We discussed this deeply before.  This was a fundamentally unfair question.  Your assessment and pejorative is just as unfair and without thought 

What if a person had a heart attack? Should they be treated?  Isn't that healthcare?  Stupid questions lead to misunderstanding and inaccurate results,  by all the candidates.  

I’m just talking about how it all came off to the TV viewers. Not looking for a health insurance for illegals vs. emergency care for illegals debate. You’re right it was a stupid question. You said we discussed this deeply before...two people on a band’s website. Yet ten presidential candidates on national TV get to raise their hands if they agree with a vague question. It’s ridiculous. 

Wouldn't it have been great if at least a few of those candidates and spoken out and said, "This is a more complex issue than a simple yes or no answer.  I will neither raise nor not raise my hand but would be glad to talk about it further at a later time.  People are so goddamn dumb about shit.  It always has to be "yes" or "no", left or right, up or down.  I say, fuck that shit.

problem is, when a politician starts off an an answer with "there's really no easy answer to this..." people shut their brains off. people want it in black and white so they can understand it and move on. 

I don't know.. I like to think that there is a good portion of the population (particularly the center of each party) who understand the complexities of the world.  That's why they aren't political partisans to start.  And that's who needs to be moved.  

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Biden sounds like a relic calling weed a "gateway drug." If he insists on being against federal legalization, he should come up with a better reason than a talking point from the mid-1980's. 

Seriously. It really just makes him sound stupid IMO.

Stupid, out-of-touch, stuck in his old ways....any would apply.

He's likely just trying to come off less "left" than his opponents. I'm sure moderate Democrats and Trump-hating Republicans could appreciate that. But the bulk of the Democratic electorate that he's going need to win the primary? Not sure how well it'll play with them. 

Apparently, only 7% of Americans actually think cannabis should be completely illegal, lol. He doesn't just sound out of touch. He IS out of touch, clearly. If he wasn't, he never would have made that dumbass statement!

Of all the crazy policies touted by this crop of democrats...I’m surprised Joe took this one as the far left. Cause it’s not.  Weird.

Yeah and yet he was one of the dumbasses that raised their hand at the first debate when asked, by a show of hands, about who would support free healthcare for illegal immigrants. And if you ever watch that clip back, he's among the last to raise his hand. Because he KNOWS it's a horrible policy proposal (and an even worse campaign promise to have Trump holding over your head), but he looked around, saw the others raising their hands, and he fell in line like a sheep. 

We discussed this deeply before.  This was a fundamentally unfair question.  Your assessment and pejorative is just as unfair and without thought 

What if a person had a heart attack? Should they be treated?  Isn't that healthcare?  Stupid questions lead to misunderstanding and inaccurate results,  by all the candidates.  

I’m just talking about how it all came off to the TV viewers. Not looking for a health insurance for illegals vs. emergency care for illegals debate. You’re right it was a stupid question. You said we discussed this deeply before...two people on a band’s website. Yet ten presidential candidates on national TV get to raise their hands if they agree with a vague question. It’s ridiculous. 

Wouldn't it have been great if at least a few of those candidates and spoken out and said, "This is a more complex issue than a simple yes or no answer.  I will neither raise nor not raise my hand but would be glad to talk about it further at a later time.  People are so goddamn dumb about shit.  It always has to be "yes" or "no", left or right, up or down.  I say, fuck that shit.

problem is, when a politician starts off an an answer with "there's really no easy answer to this..." people shut their brains off. people want it in black and white so they can understand it and move on. 

I don't know.. I like to think that there is a good portion of the population (particularly the center of each party) who understand the complexities of the world.  That's why they aren't political partisans to start.  And that's who needs to be moved.  

no way people in the general population spend as much time researching and watching and listening as this microcosm. that's why misinformation is so easy to spread. people read headlines and move on. 

mrussel1

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Biden sounds like a relic calling weed a "gateway drug." If he insists on being against federal legalization, he should come up with a better reason than a talking point from the mid-1980's. 

Seriously. It really just makes him sound stupid IMO.

Stupid, out-of-touch, stuck in his old ways....any would apply.

He's likely just trying to come off less "left" than his opponents. I'm sure moderate Democrats and Trump-hating Republicans could appreciate that. But the bulk of the Democratic electorate that he's going need to win the primary? Not sure how well it'll play with them. 

Apparently, only 7% of Americans actually think cannabis should be completely illegal, lol. He doesn't just sound out of touch. He IS out of touch, clearly. If he wasn't, he never would have made that dumbass statement!

Of all the crazy policies touted by this crop of democrats...I’m surprised Joe took this one as the far left. Cause it’s not.  Weird.

Yeah and yet he was one of the dumbasses that raised their hand at the first debate when asked, by a show of hands, about who would support free healthcare for illegal immigrants. And if you ever watch that clip back, he's among the last to raise his hand. Because he KNOWS it's a horrible policy proposal (and an even worse campaign promise to have Trump holding over your head), but he looked around, saw the others raising their hands, and he fell in line like a sheep. 

We discussed this deeply before.  This was a fundamentally unfair question.  Your assessment and pejorative is just as unfair and without thought 

What if a person had a heart attack? Should they be treated?  Isn't that healthcare?  Stupid questions lead to misunderstanding and inaccurate results,  by all the candidates.  

I’m just talking about how it all came off to the TV viewers. Not looking for a health insurance for illegals vs. emergency care for illegals debate. You’re right it was a stupid question. You said we discussed this deeply before...two people on a band’s website. Yet ten presidential candidates on national TV get to raise their hands if they agree with a vague question. It’s ridiculous. 

Wouldn't it have been great if at least a few of those candidates and spoken out and said, "This is a more complex issue than a simple yes or no answer.  I will neither raise nor not raise my hand but would be glad to talk about it further at a later time.  People are so goddamn dumb about shit.  It always has to be "yes" or "no", left or right, up or down.  I say, fuck that shit.

problem is, when a politician starts off an an answer with "there's really no easy answer to this..." people shut their brains off. people want it in black and white so they can understand it and move on. 

I don't know.. I like to think that there is a good portion of the population (particularly the center of each party) who understand the complexities of the world.  That's why they aren't political partisans to start.  And that's who needs to be moved.  

no way people in the general population spend as much time researching and watching and listening as this microcosm. that's why misinformation is so easy to spread. people read headlines and move on. 

I agree with the population as a whole,  but im talking about the center,  the swing voters.  I don't think they watch Fox or MSNBC.  I think they get their information from the nightly news, Today show,  etc 

Lerxst1992

brianlux said:

Jason P said:

Pete probably has a better shot in the next election cycle.  I would not think he would risk a future presidential run by accepting a potentially fatal VP run this election.  

That makes sense also.   If it doesn't turn out to be Pete, I wonder who Biden might choose for his VP?

So 4 more years is a forgone conclusion since if it's probably a fatal VP run?

ikiT

no more years.

This POS is SO BAD, the Dems win going away, regardless. 

brianlux

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

Jason P said:

Pete probably has a better shot in the next election cycle.  I would not think he would risk a future presidential run by accepting a potentially fatal VP run this election.  

That makes sense also.   If it doesn't turn out to be Pete, I wonder who Biden might choose for his VP?

So 4 more years is a forgone conclusion since if it's probably a fatal VP run?

Who said 4 more years is a forgone conclusion?  I don't understand.

mickeyrat

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/11/22/obama-tells-democrats-worried-about-primary-field-chill-out/

By Kayla Epstein

November 22, 2019 at 10:53 a.m. EST

It’s the autumn before a presidential election year: The leaves are changing, the weather’s getting brisk, the days are getting shorter, and Democrats are getting antsy about their field of potential nominees.

On Thursday night, Barack Obama had a message for these anxious Democrats: “Chill.”

Appearing at a Democratic National Committee fundraiser attended by about 100 of Silicon Valley’s deep-pocketed donors, the former president told the crowd that it is paramount that the party stay focused on defeating President Trump next November rather than be consumed by intraparty squabbles and purity tests, CNN reported.

“Everybody needs to chill out about the candidates but gin up about the prospect of rallying behind whoever emerges from this process,” Obama said in response to a question about the primary, according to CNN.

“The field will narrow, and there’s going to be one person, and if that is not your perfect candidate and there are certain aspects of what they say that you don’t agree with and you don’t find them completely inspiring the way you’d like, I don’t care,” Obama said Thursday. “Because the choice is so stark and the stakes are so high that you cannot afford to be ambivalent in this race.”

“I’m always suspicious of purity tests during elections,” Obama said, according to the New York Times. “Because you know what? The country’s complicated.”

Democrats make urgent bid to court black voters

The former president’s remarks came at a private fundraiser in the town of Los Altos Hills, near San Jose, hosted by physician and political donor Karla Jurvetson, where attendees paid up to $355,000 to attend, Recode reported. Obama was joined by Democratic National Committee Chair Tom Perez, who interviewed the former president in front of guests such as Golden State Warriors star Stephen Curry and his wife, Ayesha, an actress and television show host, according to Recode.

In recent weeks, Obama has begun to emerge from the sidelines of the Democratic primary with headline-generating remarks about the 2020 race. His message to Democrats has hit the same notes throughout: Don’t stress too much, be mindful of losing touch with voters, and stay focused on the goal of beating Trump.

Obama’s engagement coincides with rising panic among some party figures that the liberal candidates are dragging the conversation too far to the left and that a more centrist, unifying approach will be required to defeat Trump next November.

Moderate Democratic candidates have attempted to seize their moment during a conversation dominated so far by liberal policies espoused by Sens. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (Vt.). At Wednesday night’s Democratic debate, candidates such as Sens. Amy Klobuchar (Minn.) and Cory Booker (N.J.), along with South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg, elbowed their way to the fore with calls for “unity” and attacks on proposals to overhaul the health-care system with Medicare-for-all.

Moderates fight back in a presidential race defined so far by liberal ideas

Meanwhile, two additional candidates with a centrist approach have attempted to join the fray: Former Massachusetts governor Deval Patrick entered the primary last week, and former New York mayor and billionaire Mike Bloomberg filed candidate paperwork on Thursday after initially ruling out a run.

Obama has so far declined to endorse in the 2020 Democratic primary, despite the fact that his former vice president, Joe Biden, is running, and Obama has also refrained from criticizing any candidate by name. But he has shared his general thoughts that to beat Trump, Democrats must be “bold in our vision” while staying “rooted in reality” so as not to turn away more-moderate voters.

“This is still a country that is less revolutionary than it is interested in improvement,” Obama said at a Nov. 15 meeting of the Democracy Alliance in Washington. “They like seeing things improved. But the average American doesn’t think that we have to completely tear down the system and remake it. And I think it’s important for us not to lose sight of that.

“My point is that even as we push the envelope and we are bold in our vision,” he said Nov. 15, “we also have to be rooted in reality and the fact that voters, including Democratic voters and certainly persuadable independents or even moderate Republicans, are not driven by the same views that are reflected on certain, you know, left-leaning Twitter feeds or the activist wing of our party.”

cincybearcat

So smart... cue the idiot millennial with the “ok boomer” crap

CM189191

mrussel1

CM189191 said:

That's total bullshit

mrussel1

And fundamentally stupid. 

mickeyrat

cincybearcat said:

So smart... cue the idiot millennial with the “ok boomer” crap

not exact "ok boomer" but an hour and 2 minutes.......

mickeyrat

mrussel1 said:

And fundamentally stupid. 

the problem with being a centrist is you have to deal with BOTH groups of assholes.......

it gets tiring.

mcgruff10

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

That's total bullshit

Very very dumb.