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    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
    Pretty easy to read actually.  He is talking about "White Straight Liberals" vs minorities.  and the "White Straight Liberals" can afford to be 'pure' in their politics cause the effects of the candidate losing to the R doesn't really affect them.  And certainly not as much as the minorities.  
    Are there minorities or “actual minorities?” Do people pretend to be minorities or are there fake minorities? Thanks mrussel, I appreciate your response.
    Dude you are just trying to paint something that isn't there.  And I'm allowed to comment on it.  Especially when it's easy to understand.  Perhaps read for comprehension instead of read to try and come up with an attack?  
    Asking a question is now an “attack?” What or how did I attack mrussel?
    Perhaps "attack" isnt the right word.  But again, you get hung up on the minutiae.  It's really bizarre.
    There’s your “attack,” with plausible deniability. Bully.
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    John Kerry is a Bidener.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,154
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
    Pretty easy to read actually.  He is talking about "White Straight Liberals" vs minorities.  and the "White Straight Liberals" can afford to be 'pure' in their politics cause the effects of the candidate losing to the R doesn't really affect them.  And certainly not as much as the minorities.  
    Are there minorities or “actual minorities?” Do people pretend to be minorities or are there fake minorities? Thanks mrussel, I appreciate your response.
    Dude you are just trying to paint something that isn't there.  And I'm allowed to comment on it.  Especially when it's easy to understand.  Perhaps read for comprehension instead of read to try and come up with an attack?  
    Asking a question is now an “attack?” What or how did I attack mrussel?
    Perhaps "attack" isnt the right word.  But again, you get hung up on the minutiae.  It's really bizarre.
    There’s your “attack,” with plausible deniability. Bully.
    You shtick is tiresome.
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    jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    jeffbr said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
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    Who’s that? A minority of one? Are there others?
    I have no idea. I was just answering the question about whether there were fake minorities.
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    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
    Pretty easy to read actually.  He is talking about "White Straight Liberals" vs minorities.  and the "White Straight Liberals" can afford to be 'pure' in their politics cause the effects of the candidate losing to the R doesn't really affect them.  And certainly not as much as the minorities.  
    Are there minorities or “actual minorities?” Do people pretend to be minorities or are there fake minorities? Thanks mrussel, I appreciate your response.
    Dude you are just trying to paint something that isn't there.  And I'm allowed to comment on it.  Especially when it's easy to understand.  Perhaps read for comprehension instead of read to try and come up with an attack?  
    Asking a question is now an “attack?” What or how did I attack mrussel?
    Perhaps "attack" isnt the right word.  But again, you get hung up on the minutiae.  It's really bizarre.
    There’s your “attack,” with plausible deniability. Bully.
    You shtick is tiresome.
    Yaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwn. I hope Bernie is the nominee. Just to make Team Trump Treason supporters heads explode. 
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,458
    Love that new Biden commercial
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,801
    John Kerry is a Bidener.
    If you notice, people who know him and have worked with him for years are highly supportive.  Biden makes allies, not enemies.  
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    LETS DO PUSHUPS HERE MAN!

    https://youtu.be/cWx8SL0RYRo
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    Love that new Biden commercial
    Makes me feel sympathy for bullied Trump.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,801
    LETS DO PUSHUPS HERE MAN!

    https://youtu.be/cWx8SL0RYRo
    Give him hell, Joe.  Told that dude to stop being sedentary... ha!  
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,154
    mrussel1 said:
    LETS DO PUSHUPS HERE MAN!

    https://youtu.be/cWx8SL0RYRo
    Give him hell, Joe.  Told that dude to stop being sedentary... ha!  
    I'll take an IQ test with Joe....is that what gets you elected a billion times and makes you rich off the tax payer?  Sign me up.

    I agree with the commentary after, he should have answered the question.  And then if then if the guy continued to carry on, then challenge him to push ups!  I mean, the guy he is challenging to pushups and an IQ test isn't running for president.  Joe is so bad.  And a creep.  And yet he is less bad and less creep then Trump.  
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,801
    mrussel1 said:
    LETS DO PUSHUPS HERE MAN!

    https://youtu.be/cWx8SL0RYRo
    Give him hell, Joe.  Told that dude to stop being sedentary... ha!  
    I'll take an IQ test with Joe....is that what gets you elected a billion times and makes you rich off the tax payer?  Sign me up.

    I agree with the commentary after, he should have answered the question.  And then if then if the guy continued to carry on, then challenge him to push ups!  I mean, the guy he is challenging to pushups and an IQ test isn't running for president.  Joe is so bad.  And a creep.  And yet he is less bad and less creep then Trump.  
    I think you need to check Joe's net worth.  If mine is only 9MM (including retirement) by the time I'm his age, I'll be disappointed.  He most definitely did not get rich off the gov't dole.  Compare him to every other Senator.  
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,801
    Perfect timing on the discussion regarding woke white liberals.  One of them interrupts and takes the mic of a black woman speaking on behalf Pete.  
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/473205-buttigieg-slams-white-protesters-disruption-of-black-supporters-this-is-the

    South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg on Thursday said an altercation the previous day between a white protester and black supporters of his presidential campaign is a reflection that "this is the climate that we're in."

    The unusual disruption of a pro-Buttigieg event took place in South Bend.

    Sharon McBride, a black South Bend Common Council member, was speaking at a gathering of black Buttigieg supporters when a white man wearing a "Black Lives Matter" shirt began shouting from the back of the room.

    "Where are the black leaders who don't have three-piece suits, leather jackets, and nice clothing?" he yelled over McBride. "Who chose these people as black leaders?"

    The man then approached McBride and took the mic and continued, shouting "Who organized them?"

    "We have a police crisis in this town," he went on. "Why are we talking about Pete Buttigieg?"

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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,801
    and an old black lady stands up to whap him across the head with a cane!  That's awesome! 
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,936
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
    I'm half Amish.  I'm pretty sure many would consider that being a "fake minority"!  :smiley:


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    mrussel1 said:
    Perfect timing on the discussion regarding woke white liberals.  One of them interrupts and takes the mic of a black woman speaking on behalf Pete.  
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/473205-buttigieg-slams-white-protesters-disruption-of-black-supporters-this-is-the

    South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg on Thursday said an altercation the previous day between a white protester and black supporters of his presidential campaign is a reflection that "this is the climate that we're in."

    The unusual disruption of a pro-Buttigieg event took place in South Bend.

    Sharon McBride, a black South Bend Common Council member, was speaking at a gathering of black Buttigieg supporters when a white man wearing a "Black Lives Matter" shirt began shouting from the back of the room.

    "Where are the black leaders who don't have three-piece suits, leather jackets, and nice clothing?" he yelled over McBride. "Who chose these people as black leaders?"

    The man then approached McBride and took the mic and continued, shouting "Who organized them?"

    "We have a police crisis in this town," he went on. "Why are we talking about Pete Buttigieg?"

    I doubt he’s a white, woke liberal. More like a MAGA hat wearer afraid of Mayor Pete’s momentum.
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    darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 5,924
    mrussel1 said:
    Perfect timing on the discussion regarding woke white liberals.  One of them interrupts and takes the mic of a black woman speaking on behalf Pete.  
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/473205-buttigieg-slams-white-protesters-disruption-of-black-supporters-this-is-the

    South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg on Thursday said an altercation the previous day between a white protester and black supporters of his presidential campaign is a reflection that "this is the climate that we're in."

    The unusual disruption of a pro-Buttigieg event took place in South Bend.

    Sharon McBride, a black South Bend Common Council member, was speaking at a gathering of black Buttigieg supporters when a white man wearing a "Black Lives Matter" shirt began shouting from the back of the room.

    "Where are the black leaders who don't have three-piece suits, leather jackets, and nice clothing?" he yelled over McBride. "Who chose these people as black leaders?"

    The man then approached McBride and took the mic and continued, shouting "Who organized them?"

    "We have a police crisis in this town," he went on. "Why are we talking about Pete Buttigieg?"

    I doubt he’s a white, woke liberal. More like a MAGA hat wearer afraid of Mayor Pete’s momentum.
    Unfortunately. There is no shortage of those bigots here in Indiana. 
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    Anyone else get an unsolicited text from Bernie Sanders' campaign yesterday? My wife and I both did.

    Robocalls were bad enough; now Bernie's people are fucking robotexting? 

    I mean, as much as I admire his years of public service, I was never even considering voting for the fossil. If I was, however, considering voting for the septuagenarian (soon to be octogenarian), that text would've squashed that shit.
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,225
    edited December 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    LETS DO PUSHUPS HERE MAN!

    https://youtu.be/cWx8SL0RYRo
    Give him hell, Joe.  Told that dude to stop being sedentary... ha!  
    I'll take an IQ test with Joe....is that what gets you elected a billion times and makes you rich off the tax payer?  Sign me up.

    I agree with the commentary after, he should have answered the question.  And then if then if the guy continued to carry on, then challenge him to push ups!  I mean, the guy he is challenging to pushups and an IQ test isn't running for president.  Joe is so bad.  And a creep.  And yet he is less bad and less creep then Trump.  

    Have you seen any evidence Joe Biden “sent his son over to Ukraine to work for a gas company?”

    Did your dad get you your job?
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    I think probably 10% chance Biden, Trump get in a physical altercation during a debate, and 50/50 chance we see Biden do push-ups before this is over. 

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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,801
    Hi! said:
    I think probably 10% chance Biden, Trump get in a physical altercation during a debate, and 50/50 chance we see Biden do push-ups before this is over. 

    sounds about right.  I would not be surprised to see Biden get in Trump's face.  
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,936
    What is it about this term "woke"?  I don't get it.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,801
    brianlux said:
    What is it about this term "woke"?  I don't get it.
    Someone who is honed in on what they perceive as racism or social injustice.  I used it as a pejorative because offense was evidently taken at me using the word "actual" in front of minority.  It was very woke of him to see the inherent racism in that statement.  
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    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    What is it about this term "woke"?  I don't get it.
    Someone who is honed in on what they perceive as racism or social injustice.  I used it as a pejorative because offense was evidently taken at me using the word "actual" in front of minority.  It was very woke of him to see the inherent racism in that statement.  
    Don’t flatter yourself, I wasn’t offended as I’m not like some posters on here. Just asking for clarification. Or attacking you. Take your pick.
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    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    What is it about this term "woke"?  I don't get it.
    Someone who is honed in on what they perceive as racism or social injustice.  I used it as a pejorative because offense was evidently taken at me using the word "actual" in front of minority.  It was very woke of him to see the inherent racism in that statement.  
    Ah, I see.  Well, kiss and make up, 'cause I like you both and I think you both have good things to say here!

    Regarding the term "woke" itself, I guess it's just the way language evolves but for some reason this term just bugs me.  I think it's because it assumes that the user is somehow "enlightened" and seems to be used mainly by a young generation.  I get that.  In the 60's, I thought I had all kinds of insightful stuff figured out.  When I moved into mid-life, I started to really work at being better educated.  Now, in later life, I realize more and more how much there is to learn still, how much I don't know.  I am anything but woke.  Maybe I'll be "woke" when I drop dead!  :smile: 
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    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    What is it about this term "woke"?  I don't get it.
    Someone who is honed in on what they perceive as racism or social injustice.  I used it as a pejorative because offense was evidently taken at me using the word "actual" in front of minority.  It was very woke of him to see the inherent racism in that statement.  
    Don’t flatter yourself, I wasn’t offended as I’m not like some posters on here. Just asking for clarification. Or attacking you. Take your pick.
    So you really were concerned that I believe in fake minorities?  That seems even odder.  
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    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    What is it about this term "woke"?  I don't get it.
    Someone who is honed in on what they perceive as racism or social injustice.  I used it as a pejorative because offense was evidently taken at me using the word "actual" in front of minority.  It was very woke of him to see the inherent racism in that statement.  
    Ah, I see.  Well, kiss and make up, 'cause I like you both and I think you both have good things to say here!

    Regarding the term "woke" itself, I guess it's just the way language evolves but for some reason this term just bugs me.  I think it's because it assumes that the user is somehow "enlightened" and seems to be used mainly by a young generation.  I get that.  In the 60's, I thought I had all kinds of insightful stuff figured out.  When I moved into mid-life, I started to really work at being better educated.  Now, in later life, I realize more and more how much there is to learn still, how much I don't know.  I am anything but woke.  Maybe I'll be "woke" when I drop dead!  :smile: 
    Nothing wakes you like the great dirt nap.  But yes, you're dead on (haha, get it?).  The implication is that one is more tuned into racial issues.  The reality is that most of the time a person sees something that is not actually there.  Certainly there is inherent racism in lots of our culture, that embeds over time.  But it's also possible to be hypersensitive to it as well.  
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    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    What is it about this term "woke"?  I don't get it.
    Someone who is honed in on what they perceive as racism or social injustice.  I used it as a pejorative because offense was evidently taken at me using the word "actual" in front of minority.  It was very woke of him to see the inherent racism in that statement.  
    Ah, I see.  Well, kiss and make up, 'cause I like you both and I think you both have good things to say here!

    Regarding the term "woke" itself, I guess it's just the way language evolves but for some reason this term just bugs me.  I think it's because it assumes that the user is somehow "enlightened" and seems to be used mainly by a young generation.  I get that.  In the 60's, I thought I had all kinds of insightful stuff figured out.  When I moved into mid-life, I started to really work at being better educated.  Now, in later life, I realize more and more how much there is to learn still, how much I don't know.  I am anything but woke.  Maybe I'll be "woke" when I drop dead!  :smile: 
    Nothing wakes you like the great dirt nap.  But yes, you're dead on (haha, get it?).  The implication is that one is more tuned into racial issues.  The reality is that most of the time a person sees something that is not actually there.  Certainly there is inherent racism in lots of our culture, that embeds over time.  But it's also possible to be hypersensitive to it as well.  
    "Dead on", LOL!!  Not yet, thankfully!

    Yeah, there is this whole over-the-top hypersensitivity in much of culture today.  I'm actually more OK with that than callousness,  but I think sensitivity is best when tempered with common sense and critical thinking.  Maybe even a little dash of cynicism thrown in now and them.
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    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    What is it about this term "woke"?  I don't get it.
    Someone who is honed in on what they perceive as racism or social injustice.  I used it as a pejorative because offense was evidently taken at me using the word "actual" in front of minority.  It was very woke of him to see the inherent racism in that statement.  
    Don’t flatter yourself, I wasn’t offended as I’m not like some posters on here. Just asking for clarification. Or attacking you. Take your pick.
    So you really were concerned that I believe in fake minorities?  That seems even odder.  
    Did I say you believe in fake minorities? How did you make that leap? I questioned your use of the word “actual” before minorities because I don’t ever think I’ve read minorities being qualified in such a manner. People eat ice cream or actual people eat ice cream. Why the qualifier?
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    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    What is it about this term "woke"?  I don't get it.
    Someone who is honed in on what they perceive as racism or social injustice.  I used it as a pejorative because offense was evidently taken at me using the word "actual" in front of minority.  It was very woke of him to see the inherent racism in that statement.  
    Don’t flatter yourself, I wasn’t offended as I’m not like some posters on here. Just asking for clarification. Or attacking you. Take your pick.
    So you really were concerned that I believe in fake minorities?  That seems even odder.  
    Did I say you believe in fake minorities? How did you make that leap? I questioned your use of the word “actual” before minorities because I don’t ever think I’ve read minorities being qualified in such a manner. People eat ice cream or actual people eat ice cream. Why the qualifier?
    It has nothing to do with that noun.  Using actual as a modifier during a comparative is quite common.  And my sentence was at its core,  a comparative. 

    "The anticipated result versus the actual result".  In this sentence actual isn't necessary either,  but it's not uncommon. 
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