Tool

dudeman said:

nicknyr15 said:

dudeman said:

PJNB said:

dudeman said:

PJNB said:

pjl44 said:

For what it's worth, and to try to steer things back on topic, I sat out the Tool onsale entirely and will grab tickets closer to the show.

Tools and Ticketmaster public sale was the best that I have ever seen. If they are going that route for Pearl Jam next year I am thinking of passing on 10 club tickets since my number is so high for shows that I am not doing GA and going with the public sale. 

I think you may have had a very different experience than a whole lot of other people. 

People had issues with Ticketmaster? I know some had issues selecting seats and then they were not available since someone selected them right before they did but aside from that what was the issue? I was able to get tickets for Boston with ease and even went in 10 minutes later to see what else was there and was still able to pull tickets. This system beats the hell out of the bots cleaning up seconds after the drop. 

Maybe it depends on the show or the venue. I only tried for Detroit. The main issue for me was like you said. I'd select a pair of tickets then it would say someone else beat me to them. That happened to me for about an hour, over and over again. I was logged on before the sale and was already behind over 2,000 other fans at 10:00 am. That is all OK with me even though it's frustrating. 

What I have an issue with is that minutes later, those same tickets that "another fan" beat me to are miraculously available again but now they cost 5-10 times what they cost minutes before. 

Whether it's TM themselves or other people buying tickets and then immediately selling them again for massively increased prices sucks. There is no added value to these tickets, it's just that someone shoved their way into the position of middleman. 

It's the "Verified Resale" system that allows that to happen. 

Judging from all the blue dots popping up miraculously for double the price , I’m betting it wasn’t another fan beating u to those tickets. I’m willing to bet half the time TM was pulling them. 

That's what I suspect too. Funny enough, TM sent me an email letting me know that the tickets I was trying to get earlier were available again. When I clicked the link to view them, they were asking over $400.00 each.

How anyone could defend this action is puzzling. Purposely holding back tickets to dictate demand, therefor creating false demand, then raise the price based on that false demand that they created !! I mean seriously. Cmon 

dudeman said:

PJNB said:

dudeman said:

PJNB said:

pjl44 said:

For what it's worth, and to try to steer things back on topic, I sat out the Tool onsale entirely and will grab tickets closer to the show.

Tools and Ticketmaster public sale was the best that I have ever seen. If they are going that route for Pearl Jam next year I am thinking of passing on 10 club tickets since my number is so high for shows that I am not doing GA and going with the public sale. 

I think you may have had a very different experience than a whole lot of other people. 

People had issues with Ticketmaster? I know some had issues selecting seats and then they were not available since someone selected them right before they did but aside from that what was the issue? I was able to get tickets for Boston with ease and even went in 10 minutes later to see what else was there and was still able to pull tickets. This system beats the hell out of the bots cleaning up seconds after the drop. 

Maybe it depends on the show or the venue. I only tried for Detroit. The main issue for me was like you said. I'd select a pair of tickets then it would say someone else beat me to them. That happened to me for about an hour, over and over again. I was logged on before the sale and was already behind over 2,000 other fans at 10:00 am. That is all OK with me even though it's frustrating. 

What I have an issue with is that minutes later, those same tickets that "another fan" beat me to are miraculously available again but now they cost 5-10 times what they cost minutes before. 

Whether it's TM themselves or other people buying tickets and then immediately selling them again for massively increased prices sucks. There is no added value to these tickets, it's just that someone shoved their way into the position of middleman. 

It's the "Verified Resale" system that allows that to happen. 

Yeah, I ran into this problem when I was trying to buy Nick Mason tickets a while back. Lesson learned: don't try to select seats during a frantic onsale. Just go with Best Available and toss em back if you get ones you don't want. 

dudeman said:

CantKeepmedown said:

I still can't believe you're just able to turn around and re-sell them right on the site for whatever you want (while paying a small fee to TM). I had a buddy that grabbed a pair for $160 and wanted to see if he could turn a profit. He listed them for $700 and they sold in about 2 hours.  I was dumbfounded.  

With all due respect, your buddy sucks.

Very little respect is due for people that do that shit.

This is pretty much what I'm saying. If someone is determined to spend $700 on a pair of tickets, I'd rather see it go to the people putting in the work to put on the show vs. one of these concert ticket day traders.

DewieCox said:

pjl44 said:

This is pretty much what I'm saying. If someone is determined to spend $700 on a pair of tickets, I'd rather see it go to the people putting in the work to put on the show vs. one of these concert ticket day traders.

What happens when people “putting on the show” become ticket day traders? I think there’s an impasse on what constitutes “putting on a show”. 

Who are you talking about?

DewieCox said:

pjl44 said:

DewieCox said:

pjl44 said:

This is pretty much what I'm saying. If someone is determined to spend $700 on a pair of tickets, I'd rather see it go to the people putting in the work to put on the show vs. one of these concert ticket day traders.

What happens when people “putting on the show” become ticket day traders? I think there’s an impasse on what constitutes “putting on a show”. 

Who are you talking about?

Ticketmaster and you. 

To me it's simple and there's no impasse:

A band is putting on a show and they need to sell tickets. They contract with a vendor to do that. They can be very hands on like Pearl Jam and take control of pricing and distribution to their liking. Or they can be hands off like Tool and tell the vendor to figure it out themselves. Or somewhere in between. As long as that distribution is being handled by an involved entity, I don't give a shit how they choose to distribute. That's their decision and I adjust accordingly. 

I get that Ticketmaster is doing wonky shit with dynamic pricing. As a rational adult, I'm not throwing a temper tantrum about it. I choose to sit it out and wait to see what happens in the marketplace closer to the show. A decade of data tells me that is the best time to buy a ticket when market factors are in play. Basically, if someone chooses to just piss and moan instead of figuring out the system, it's not Ticketmaster or whomever's fault.

DewieCox said:

pjl44 said:

DewieCox said:

pjl44 said:

DewieCox said:

pjl44 said:

This is pretty much what I'm saying. If someone is determined to spend $700 on a pair of tickets, I'd rather see it go to the people putting in the work to put on the show vs. one of these concert ticket day traders.

What happens when people “putting on the show” become ticket day traders? I think there’s an impasse on what constitutes “putting on a show”. 

Who are you talking about?

Ticketmaster and you. 

To me it's simple and there's no impasse:

A band is putting on a show and they need to sell tickets. They contract with a vendor to do that. They can be very hands on like Pearl Jam and take control of pricing and distribution to their liking. Or they can be hands off like Tool and tell the vendor to figure it out themselves. Or somewhere in between. As long as that distribution is being handled by an involved entity, I don't give a shit how they choose to distribute. That's their decision and I adjust accordingly. 

I get that Ticketmaster is doing wonky shit with dynamic pricing. As a rational adult, I'm not throwing a temper tantrum about it. I choose to sit it out and wait to see what happens in the marketplace closer to the show. A decade of data tells me that is the best time to buy a ticket when market factors are in play. Basically, if someone chooses to just piss and moan instead of figuring out the system, it's not Ticketmaster or whomever's fault.

Ticketmaster doesn’t put on shows. They sell tickets and promote shows. You think that is a service worthy of unlimited profit. I think that since they’re offering nothing beyond the typical service to the band that they’re undeserving of anything more than their typical negotiated fee. 

Also, you seem to be just fine with creating false demand and classic bait and switch tactics. “Rational adults” aren’t ok with that type of crap.

When you're elected emperor of show business, I look forward to seeing all of that enacted. Here in the real world, microeconomics will continue to take the wheel.

DewieCox said:

pjl44 said:

DewieCox said:

pjl44 said:

DewieCox said:

pjl44 said:

DewieCox said:

pjl44 said:

This is pretty much what I'm saying. If someone is determined to spend $700 on a pair of tickets, I'd rather see it go to the people putting in the work to put on the show vs. one of these concert ticket day traders.

What happens when people “putting on the show” become ticket day traders? I think there’s an impasse on what constitutes “putting on a show”. 

Who are you talking about?

Ticketmaster and you. 

To me it's simple and there's no impasse:

A band is putting on a show and they need to sell tickets. They contract with a vendor to do that. They can be very hands on like Pearl Jam and take control of pricing and distribution to their liking. Or they can be hands off like Tool and tell the vendor to figure it out themselves. Or somewhere in between. As long as that distribution is being handled by an involved entity, I don't give a shit how they choose to distribute. That's their decision and I adjust accordingly. 

I get that Ticketmaster is doing wonky shit with dynamic pricing. As a rational adult, I'm not throwing a temper tantrum about it. I choose to sit it out and wait to see what happens in the marketplace closer to the show. A decade of data tells me that is the best time to buy a ticket when market factors are in play. Basically, if someone chooses to just piss and moan instead of figuring out the system, it's not Ticketmaster or whomever's fault.

Ticketmaster doesn’t put on shows. They sell tickets and promote shows. You think that is a service worthy of unlimited profit. I think that since they’re offering nothing beyond the typical service to the band that they’re undeserving of anything more than their typical negotiated fee. 

Also, you seem to be just fine with creating false demand and classic bait and switch tactics. “Rational adults” aren’t ok with that type of crap.

When you're elected emperor of show business, I look forward to seeing all of that enacted. Here in the real world, microeconomics will continue to take the wheel.

Yeah, people are either gonna accept it to some extent or they won’t, of course. Great deflection, and it’s been very exciting watching your solo game of bullshit tennis to counter the points that several people have made. I haven’t seen anybody throwing tantrums. Accepting bullshit isnt rational, it’s borderline culpability. 

If you think it's bullshit, figure out how to exploit it. It beats getting red-assed about it. And believe me, it's exploitable. 

SmallestOceans said:

Pneuma is so fucking good, one of the best songs i’ve ever listened to. Chills every single time

Agreed!

nicknyr15 said:

Album gets better every listening. Descending is slowly climbing to to the top for me. I gave the album a 10 day rest and it’s sounds better than ever right now. 

I took a short break too and it's going back on tonight. Pneuma, Culling Voices, invincible, and 7empest were standouts the last run through, curious to see if that changes after a break.