Tool

HesCalledDyer

Listened to it for 2 weeks straight after release day. Haven’t since. Still thinks it’s a great album, it just doesn’t have that “make me wanna go back to it” factor.

DewieCox

HesCalledDyer said:

Listened to it for 2 weeks straight after release day. Haven’t since. Still thinks it’s a great album, it just doesn’t have that “make me wanna go back to it” factor.

Yeah, pretty stacked few months for me. Been getting Raconteurs back int the rotation for the show in a few weeks, Wilco getting some time and Sturgill just put out album of the year a week ago.

Thoughts_Arrive

SmallestOceans said:

Pneuma is so fucking good, one of the best songs i’ve ever listened to. Chills every single time, can’t wait to see these guys once again up in Boston next month.

That was the first song that blew me away.
Now Invincible has that same effect.

Thoughts_Arrive

I often find myself losing concentration when listening to Tempest. It's like I zone out and then come back and somehow the song has gone and I've missed parts. 

tempo_n_groove

HesCalledDyer said:

Listened to it for 2 weeks straight after release day. Haven’t since. Still thinks it’s a great album, it just doesn’t have that “make me wanna go back to it” factor.

Invincible and Descending have me returning.  I'm really starting to melt into those songs now.

I still don't care for pnuema yet though...

Lerxst1992

DewieCox said:

pjl44 said:

DewieCox said:

pjl44 said:

DewieCox said:

pjl44 said:

DewieCox said:

pjl44 said:

This is pretty much what I'm saying. If someone is determined to spend $700 on a pair of tickets, I'd rather see it go to the people putting in the work to put on the show vs. one of these concert ticket day traders.

What happens when people “putting on the show” become ticket day traders? I think there’s an impasse on what constitutes “putting on a show”. 

Who are you talking about?

Ticketmaster and you. 

To me it's simple and there's no impasse:

A band is putting on a show and they need to sell tickets. They contract with a vendor to do that. They can be very hands on like Pearl Jam and take control of pricing and distribution to their liking. Or they can be hands off like Tool and tell the vendor to figure it out themselves. Or somewhere in between. As long as that distribution is being handled by an involved entity, I don't give a shit how they choose to distribute. That's their decision and I adjust accordingly. 

I get that Ticketmaster is doing wonky shit with dynamic pricing. As a rational adult, I'm not throwing a temper tantrum about it. I choose to sit it out and wait to see what happens in the marketplace closer to the show. A decade of data tells me that is the best time to buy a ticket when market factors are in play. Basically, if someone chooses to just piss and moan instead of figuring out the system, it's not Ticketmaster or whomever's fault.

Ticketmaster doesn’t put on shows. They sell tickets and promote shows. You think that is a service worthy of unlimited profit. I think that since they’re offering nothing beyond the typical service to the band that they’re undeserving of anything more than their typical negotiated fee. 

Also, you seem to be just fine with creating false demand and classic bait and switch tactics. “Rational adults” aren’t ok with that type of crap.

When you're elected emperor of show business, I look forward to seeing all of that enacted. Here in the real world, microeconomics will continue to take the wheel.

Yeah, people are either gonna accept it to some extent or they won’t, of course. Great deflection, and it’s been very exciting watching your solo game of bullshit tennis to counter the points that several people have made. I haven’t seen anybody throwing tantrums. Accepting bullshit isnt rational, it’s borderline culpability. 

I'd be stunned if Tool were not sharing in that "unlimited profit."
Stub hub tickets for lower level were minimum $400 + fees (in the NE) and that's almost exactly the same price as these new batch of platinum tickets.

 It seems the promoter planned to hold back a tiny % of tickets and match the prices on the market place. I'm not sure why Tool and/or the promoter should be denied this opportunity. 

And it certainly beats whatever was available on stub hub for PJ Fenway where about zero turf seats were for sale and grandstand was $350 + fees until very close to the show. Grandstand .

At least with Tools business model, all fans got a chance to get good seats. And the $400 will probably drop.

karl_chihiro

May 30th said:

SmallestOceans said:

Pneuma is so fucking good, one of the best songs i’ve ever listened to. Chills every single time

Agreed!

Certainly

manitouman

Wonder if they would play the album in its entirety, took a short break and finished off with some hits as the encore. Would you be okay with that? I dont think I would mind. But that would mean like a 2-3 song encore if we're lucky.

PJ_Soul

pjl44 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mr bungle said:

nicknyr15 said:

Miraculously more tickets popped up for Barclays. You know , “the platinum” ones. Over $400 face value. I can’t believe TM is allowed to openly price gouge and it’s legal 

yeah, they are essentially working as a in-house scalping company based on supply and demand.  "prices may fluctuate based on demand"

Seriously, how it is legal is beyond me. I really really wish some leaders would do something about it. Some legislation against this is badly needed, in Canada and the US.

Concert tickets are luxury items and promoters/bands should be able to charge whatever and however the market bears. I don't like paying $400 for a ticket either so I don't go to many high profile arena shows. If you live near an arena, there is no shortage of $20-50 club shows in your area.

That has literally nothing to do with my comment. I am saying it should be illegal for Ticketmaster to have its own reselling sight, where they sell the tix and then offer up their own scalping platform on the very same website to buy back the tickets they just sold, and then resell them at quadruple the price. THAT should be illegal. I can't believe it isn't.

pjl44

PJ_Soul said:

pjl44 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mr bungle said:

nicknyr15 said:

Miraculously more tickets popped up for Barclays. You know , “the platinum” ones. Over $400 face value. I can’t believe TM is allowed to openly price gouge and it’s legal 

yeah, they are essentially working as a in-house scalping company based on supply and demand.  "prices may fluctuate based on demand"

Seriously, how it is legal is beyond me. I really really wish some leaders would do something about it. Some legislation against this is badly needed, in Canada and the US.

Concert tickets are luxury items and promoters/bands should be able to charge whatever and however the market bears. I don't like paying $400 for a ticket either so I don't go to many high profile arena shows. If you live near an arena, there is no shortage of $20-50 club shows in your area.

That has literally nothing to do with my comment. I am saying it should be illegal for Ticketmaster to have its own reselling sight, where they sell the tix and then offer up their own scalping platform on the very same website to buy back the tickets they just sold, and then resell them at quadruple the price. THAT should be illegal. I can't believe it isn't.

Disagree. That same type of platform has allowed me to buy tickets below face value many, many times. People always focus on the negative.

PJ_Soul

pjl44 said:

PJ_Soul said:

pjl44 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mr bungle said:

nicknyr15 said:

Miraculously more tickets popped up for Barclays. You know , “the platinum” ones. Over $400 face value. I can’t believe TM is allowed to openly price gouge and it’s legal 

yeah, they are essentially working as a in-house scalping company based on supply and demand.  "prices may fluctuate based on demand"

Seriously, how it is legal is beyond me. I really really wish some leaders would do something about it. Some legislation against this is badly needed, in Canada and the US.

Concert tickets are luxury items and promoters/bands should be able to charge whatever and however the market bears. I don't like paying $400 for a ticket either so I don't go to many high profile arena shows. If you live near an arena, there is no shortage of $20-50 club shows in your area.

That has literally nothing to do with my comment. I am saying it should be illegal for Ticketmaster to have its own reselling sight, where they sell the tix and then offer up their own scalping platform on the very same website to buy back the tickets they just sold, and then resell them at quadruple the price. THAT should be illegal. I can't believe it isn't.

Disagree. That same type of platform has allowed me to buy tickets below face value many, many times. People always focus on the negative.

I don't see how that makes any difference. No company should legally be allowed to buy back what they just sold and then sell it again for a different price IMO, and it is simply more egregious with Ticketmaster because it has such a huge monopoly in the market. And there is shit like this: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/ticketmaster-resellers-las-vegas-1.4828535

pjl44

PJ_Soul said:

pjl44 said:

PJ_Soul said:

pjl44 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mr bungle said:

nicknyr15 said:

Miraculously more tickets popped up for Barclays. You know , “the platinum” ones. Over $400 face value. I can’t believe TM is allowed to openly price gouge and it’s legal 

yeah, they are essentially working as a in-house scalping company based on supply and demand.  "prices may fluctuate based on demand"

Seriously, how it is legal is beyond me. I really really wish some leaders would do something about it. Some legislation against this is badly needed, in Canada and the US.

Concert tickets are luxury items and promoters/bands should be able to charge whatever and however the market bears. I don't like paying $400 for a ticket either so I don't go to many high profile arena shows. If you live near an arena, there is no shortage of $20-50 club shows in your area.

That has literally nothing to do with my comment. I am saying it should be illegal for Ticketmaster to have its own reselling sight, where they sell the tix and then offer up their own scalping platform on the very same website to buy back the tickets they just sold, and then resell them at quadruple the price. THAT should be illegal. I can't believe it isn't.

Disagree. That same type of platform has allowed me to buy tickets below face value many, many times. People always focus on the negative.

I don't see how that makes any difference. No company should legally be allowed to buy back what they just sold and then sell it again for a different price IMO, and it is simply more egregious with Ticketmaster because it has such a huge monopoly in the market. And there is shit like this: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/ticketmaster-resellers-las-vegas-1.4828535

I remember that story and, yes, that is supremely shady. At this point if they want to engage in dynamic pricing, I think they should just rip the band aid off and do it.

As far as the monopoly aspect, I haven't had any better service or cheaper fees with their competitors. Ticketfly, AXS, and even Eventbrite all soak me for 20-30%.

The horse is out of the barn with ticket reselling. It's a technology thing. If TM wants to host their own resale site, they should be able to. StubHub, et al. aren't going away. Or they can vary pricing more on the primary sale if they want to take on more risk. Either way, if someone wants to pay $500 for a ticket, they will be able to. Unless the artist puts in the effort to limit transfers.

pjl44

Sorry that I keep derailing this thread. Started a new discussion at the link below if anyone was going to respond further....

https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/281998/ticketmaster-verified-resale-dynamic-pricing-etc#latest

dudeman

Still waiting for the next batch of CDs to ship from Tool.

Still really loving the new album. Not really popular opinion here but I think Pneuma and Invincible are the weak tracks. Can't get enough of Descending and Culling Voices. 

Merkin Baller

Now that I've had a while to listen, I'm still really blown away by Invincible & Descending. They're easily my favorite tracks, and I'm looking forward to seeing them played live.

7empest is my next favorite, probably followed by the title track, Pneuma & finally Culling Voices.

I'm less blown away by the last three I mentioned than I was when I first got the album. CV has yet to really grab me. It's fine, it's not a bad song, but I haven't had any great breakthrough while listening to really endear me to it. The breakdown in Pneuma is freaking fantastic, but there are other parts of the song I feel drag... It hasn't grabbed me yet either, at least not like it has other people.

The tour starts Sunday night! I'm interested to see what their full set list is now that the album is out. I doubt I'll be able to hold out from looking until mid-November, so I probably won't even try.

I'm thinking in addition to Invincible & Descending, they probably add Pneuma and maybe CV or FI.

I would love to see 7empest played live, but I'm not expecting it TBH. (I don't base that on anything other than my gut feeling).

I also hope they have some decent posters for this tour... the last couple of times I saw them in the spring of '17 they had the dueling cicadas, which... sure they fit Tool's imagery but I would never frame & display that. I did like the alien they had for the spring '18 tour dates. While I don't know that I would frame that one for the living room either, it's still more aesthetically pleasing than one bug stabbing another in the head.

LC

While not my favorite song, I think opening up their shows this Fall with 7empest would be unbelievable.

nicknyr15

LC said:

While not my favorite song, I think opening up their shows this Fall with 7empest would be unbelievable.

It would be insane. 

PJNB

nicknyr15 said:

LC said:

While not my favorite song, I think opening up their shows this Fall with 7empest would be unbelievable.

It would be insane. 

Only a week away and we will find out. Part of me wants to not look at the set but the other part is way too curious to not take a peak. 

JT167846

Reckon they'll kick off with the title track. 7empest would blow my mind anywhere but it seems a lot of rehearsal time would be needed to get it down. Plus that (and Pneuma to a lesser extent) has distinct multiple guitar parts that they may be still figuring out how to do live.

As for the rest of the set, they put so much effort into their songs that I and most other big fans wouldn't care if they had no supposed "greatest hits" tracks. Maynard generally picks the sets due to his voice so hopefully with these new songs being easier he can throw some songs that haven't been done in a while into the mix.

As for the new songs I'd most want to see Pneuma Invincible and 7empest live but imagine Fear Inoculum will be omnipresent and they'll play Descending a heap. Which isn't exactly a booby prize...

Lerxst1992

JT167846 said:

Reckon they'll kick off with the title track. 7empest would blow my mind anywhere but it seems a lot of rehearsal time would be needed to get it down. Plus that (and Pneuma to a lesser extent) has distinct multiple guitar parts that they may be still figuring out how to do live.

As for the rest of the set, they put so much effort into their songs that I and most other big fans wouldn't care if they had no supposed "greatest hits" tracks. Maynard generally picks the sets due to his voice so hopefully with these new songs being easier he can throw some songs that haven't been done in a while into the mix.

As for the new songs I'd most want to see Pneuma Invincible and 7empest live but imagine Fear Inoculum will be omnipresent and they'll play Descending a heap. Which isn't exactly a booby prize...

Cant image they will not play 7empest. That will be sick live. As will Pnuema. We find out Sunday!