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  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 14,056
    What Mickey said. It is not accepting and condoning. It's more about giving up fighting against symptoms.
    Speak to your psychologist about ACT and whether or not he/she thinks it could be of benefit to you.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 15,863
    as a good friend says in AA , you don't have to like it, love it or roll around in the grass with it  but accept it you must.

    So, ok it is what it is. And I dont like it.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,295
    I decided to go back to work and end my retirement.  When I retired, anxiety was kicking my ass...I am happy to say that with a little counselling and Cannabis every day has paid off handsomely.   I'm telling you Cannabis kicks anxieties ass.  You may have to try a few different strains...but with Cannabis that great part...experimenting.  Just be mindful of who you are buying it from.  Some Cannabis companies in Canada have had issues and some strains have been recalled...that is if you have not consumed it all...
  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 4,999
    I try  it but it makes me more confused. 
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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 4,999
    I was going to post here  this week but i didnt want  to bring anyone down. I tried  to suffer in silence.
    All i am is a complete mess now.  Ive been turned down any further  help from the mental health service and feel like giving up. There is nowhere  to help me now. 
    They all say they cant offer any treatment. I feel worthless.
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  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 14,056
    Sorry to hear Rob.
    You won't bring anyone down. This is why this thread exists, so you can reach out.
    Why did they turn you down?
    Have you thought about trying to find a psychologist who specialises in health anxiety? Many psychologists offer Skype sessions now if you cannot physically attend due to distance.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,295
    mickeyrat said:
    as a good friend says in AA , you don't have to like it, love it or roll around in the grass with it  but accept it you must.

    So, ok it is what it is. And I dont like it.
    Did the program work for you?  My brother went to rehab 3 or 4 times and tried AA ... It did not work for him.  The success of these rehab clinics is pretty low, AA does not have a great success rate.  Most rehab clinics use the 12 step program.   From what I understand the program was delivered in the '20s and is virtually unchanged since.  If that is true, you will never convince me that it can be all that good.  Times change, people change, our lives are far more busy and complicated.  Would you send kids to a school with 1920's curriculum?
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,295
    I try  it but it makes me more confused. 

    Got Anxiety? Study Finds Cannabis Strains to Try, or Avoid
    https://www.leafly.ca/news/science-tech/got-anxiety-study-finds-cannabis-strains-to-try-or-avoid

    The article states that anxiety is best treated with low doses of THC and CBD.

    You are at a disadvantage in the UK because it's not legal.  I'm not sure the illicit market grows low THC or CBD.

    Medical Cannabis should be legal everywhere.  It is really frustrating that a bunch of scumbag politicians throughout the world want to deny people at least the medical benefits.  Unfortunately, England has Trump junior as the PM.  I am just guessing, I doubt the Cons in the UK would do the right and legalize.  

    But if you can access medical grade Cannabis with low CBD and THC give that a try.

    I love experimenting...I used to buy from Tilray out of BC that 30% THC...that was good shit.  

    Keep trying.  I think you will get to that happy place.  It may take time.  Anxiety is terrible, and the medicine for anxiety and depression does not always work...

    Goodluck to you...
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,295
    Rob, Do you drink a lot of coffee?  Coffee is bad for people with anxiety.  Maybe see if there are natural ways to help you.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 12,264
    Marijuana increases anxiety for as many people as it relieves so be careful with that, people.
    If you read Meltdown's article, Blueberry Lambsbread is listed on both the good and bad lists, which highlights the complicated nature of THC and anxiety. 

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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 17,362
    Rob, you have worth and people who care about you.
    Please do not give up.  
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,295
    rgambs said:
    Marijuana increases anxiety for as many people as it relieves so be careful with that, people.
    If you read Meltdown's article, Blueberry Lambsbread is listed on both the good and bad lists, which highlights the complicated nature of THC and anxiety. 

    You need to keep the THC and CBD low according to the article.  I believe the UK frowns upon Cannabis.  But like anything, it just may not for everyone...but I also put in the other work to get my anxiety down.  But pharmaceuticals do not always work with anxiety.

    My hope is that Cannabis makes it into labs to see which strains work best for ailments.  I think it will.  But you raise an excellent point.  And for many, it is just a great high.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 12,264
    rgambs said:
    Marijuana increases anxiety for as many people as it relieves so be careful with that, people.
    If you read Meltdown's article, Blueberry Lambsbread is listed on both the good and bad lists, which highlights the complicated nature of THC and anxiety. 

    You need to keep the THC and CBD low according to the article.  I believe the UK frowns upon Cannabis.  But like anything, it just may not for everyone...but I also put in the other work to get my anxiety down.  But pharmaceuticals do not always work with anxiety.

    My hope is that Cannabis makes it into labs to see which strains work best for ailments.  I think it will.  But you raise an excellent point.  And for many, it is just a great high.
    Keeping the inebriation level low is key, even hardcore stoners can get "paranoid" (anxiety, obviously) when they overdo it.

    I smoke nearly every day, but I never get stoned because it gives me anxiety to get too high.
    Sometimes I ride the line more than is good for me, a smarter man might quit altogether lol
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 15,863
    edited August 31
    mickeyrat said:
    as a good friend says in AA , you don't have to like it, love it or roll around in the grass with it  but accept it you must.

    So, ok it is what it is. And I dont like it.
    Did the program work for you?  My brother went to rehab 3 or 4 times and tried AA ... It did not work for him.  The success of these rehab clinics is pretty low, AA does not have a great success rate.  Most rehab clinics use the 12 step program.   From what I understand the program was delivered in the '20s and is virtually unchanged since.  If that is true, you will never convince me that it can be all that good.  Times change, people change, our lives are far more busy and complicated.  Would you send kids to a school with 1920's curriculum?
    first, it was offered via the book in 39.  it tells the collective story of the first 100 or so to get and stay sober. if it aint broke, whats to improve on?

    not knowing your brothers story, I cant speak to what you seem to think doesnt work. I am going tk guess he didnt buy into the concept and do what is suggested consistently.

    success rates are factually hard to judge as its all self reported. there are no master lists beyond individual group level. the courts, unable to do anything see AA as a panacea and order attendance, should those folks count toward success rates?

    further AA doesnt proclaim itself as the end all be all in regards to alcoholism. the early members understood their limitations. the book is quite prophectic in some areas. guessing man would walk on the moon among other things, but makes it clear its meant for the hopeless and helpless and that medical science may well discover additinal trreatments. which has partially come to pass.

    You seem to have an already closed mind to the concept.

    so I'll close with a quote found in the book attributed to Herbert Spencer(in error)


     There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments   and which cannnot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation.

    William Paley
      

    as to your initial question.  I am 13yrs  4 monts and 12 days sober. sonething I could not seem to do on my own. there are any number of ways to get and stay sober. I dont know what they are. but this is working for me. allows me some peace and to live comfortably enough in my skin.

    personally the method one uses to achieve sobriety  is secondary to the end result. but all methods require active participation of  the individual for any success.
    Post edited by mickeyrat on
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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,295
    rgambs said:
    rgambs said:
    Marijuana increases anxiety for as many people as it relieves so be careful with that, people.
    If you read Meltdown's article, Blueberry Lambsbread is listed on both the good and bad lists, which highlights the complicated nature of THC and anxiety. 

    You need to keep the THC and CBD low according to the article.  I believe the UK frowns upon Cannabis.  But like anything, it just may not for everyone...but I also put in the other work to get my anxiety down.  But pharmaceuticals do not always work with anxiety.

    My hope is that Cannabis makes it into labs to see which strains work best for ailments.  I think it will.  But you raise an excellent point.  And for many, it is just a great high.
    Keeping the inebriation level low is key, even hardcore stoners can get "paranoid" (anxiety, obviously) when they overdo it.

    I smoke nearly every day, but I never get stoned because it gives me anxiety to get too high.
    Sometimes I ride the line more than is good for me, a smarter man might quit altogether lol
    I'm like you.  Smoke just enough to get good sleep.  Never get super high.  But Cannabis has helped me with nerve pain in feet.  Once I smoked every day that pain stopped.  I would say it felt like getting picked by a needle...now I rarely feel that.  I can go weeks and never feel that...
  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 4,999
    I dont even believe this is anxiety. 
    Nothing works.
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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 4,999
    Rob, Do you drink a lot of coffee?  Coffee is bad for people with anxiety.  Maybe see if there are natural ways to help you.
    No i dont drink hot drinks. Sadly 
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    reading 06
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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 4,999
    Sorry to hear Rob.
    You won't bring anyone down. This is why this thread exists, so you can reach out.
    Why did they turn you down?
    Have you thought about trying to find a psychologist who specialises in health anxiety? Many psychologists offer Skype sessions now if you cannot physically attend due to distance.
    They said I've had previously  had all tge services  they offer.  Nobody believes me. Nobody
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    astoria 06
    albany 06
    hartford 06
    reading 06
    barcelona 06
    paris 06
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    dusseldorf 07
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    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • OffSheGoes35OffSheGoes35 Posts: 2,557
    I dont even believe this is anxiety. 
    Nothing works.
    What do you believe it is?
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,295
    Rob, Do you drink a lot of coffee?  Coffee is bad for people with anxiety.  Maybe see if there are natural ways to help you.
    No i dont drink hot drinks. Sadly 
    Is it just anxiety or anxiety and depression?  People in the medical are not always the most compassionate...all I can suggest is keep searching and hope you come across a person who will listen and believe you.  If means anything I believe you.  Have a couple people on speed dial who you can trust and anytime to talk to.  Talking helps.
  • I dont even believe this is anxiety. 
    Nothing works.
    What do you believe it is?
    I cant even type it on here.  I just cant get into what people  might say that i cant unsee. Im lame sorry
    brixton 93
    astoria 06
    albany 06
    hartford 06
    reading 06
    barcelona 06
    paris 06
    wembley 07
    dusseldorf 07
    nijmegen 07

    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • OffSheGoes35OffSheGoes35 Posts: 2,557
    That's okay. I'm just glad that you're open to trying different things, that way you can figure out what works for you and what doesn't. 
  • Im embarrassed and in fear drs and family have told me its not what i think but i have such debilitating symptoms that i can find a meds or a drink or a smoke that makes better  although ive become basically addicted to drink and  pot even when i know it makes  confusion  more  its the small break of maybe 1hr where  i care less. Not that it ever abates. If fuckin ridiculous im 44 and dead as far as i can see
    brixton 93
    astoria 06
    albany 06
    hartford 06
    reading 06
    barcelona 06
    paris 06
    wembley 07
    dusseldorf 07
    nijmegen 07

    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,295
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    as a good friend says in AA , you don't have to like it, love it or roll around in the grass with it  but accept it you must.

    So, ok it is what it is. And I dont like it.
    Did the program work for you?  My brother went to rehab 3 or 4 times and tried AA ... It did not work for him.  The success of these rehab clinics is pretty low, AA does not have a great success rate.  Most rehab clinics use the 12 step program.   From what I understand the program was delivered in the '20s and is virtually unchanged since.  If that is true, you will never convince me that it can be all that good.  Times change, people change, our lives are far more busy and complicated.  Would you send kids to a school with 1920's curriculum?
    first, it was offered via the book in 39.  it tells the collective story of the first 100 or so to get and stay sober. if it aint broke, whats to improve on?

    not knowing your brothers story, I cant speak to what you seem to think doesnt work. I am going tk guess he didnt buy into the concept and do what is suggested consistently.

    success rates are factually hard to judge as its all self reported. there are no master lists beyond individual group level. the courts, unable to do anything see AA as a panacea and order attendance, should those folks count toward success rates?

    further AA doesnt proclaim itself as the end all be all in regards to alcoholism. the early members understood their limitations. the book is quite prophectic in some areas. guessing man would walk on the moon among other things, but makes it clear its meant for the hopeless and helpless and that medical science may well discover additinal trreatments. which has partially come to pass.

    You seem to have an already closed mind to the concept.

    so I'll close with a quote found in the book attributed to Herbert Spencer(in error)


     There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments   and which cannnot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation.

    William Paley
      

    as to your initial question.  I am 13yrs  4 monts and 12 days sober. sonething I could not seem to do on my own. there are any number of ways to get and stay sober. I dont know what they are. but this is working for me. allows me some peace and to live comfortably enough in my skin.

    personally the method one uses to achieve sobriety  is secondary to the end result. but all methods require active participation of  the individual for any success.
    For one.  My brother (Passed Away) was not the type of person who would have like standing up and telling strangers his problems.  And religion aspect would never sit well with him.  And the program works for a very few people.  So facts are pretty much not in dispute from what I read.  Yeah, why change?  Because the program is a failure.  And even if worked in 1930, times change, people change.  I am sure the education curriculum in 1930 was fine for 1930 and was working...but you sure as hell won't want kids educated by 1930's standard.

    You know if you got cancer, the oncology team plots a course of treatment and is tailored to your needs.

    The Irrationality of Alcoholics Anonymous
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/the-irrationality-of-alcoholics-anonymous/386255/

    Nowhere in the field of medicine is treatment less grounded in modern science. A 2012 report by the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University compared the current state of addiction medicine to general medicine in the early 1900s, when quacks worked alongside graduates of leading medical schools. The American Medical Association estimates that out of nearly 1 million doctors in the United States, only 582 identify themselves as addiction specialists. (The Columbia report notes that there may be additional doctors who have a subspecialty in addiction.) Most treatment providers carry the credential of addiction counsellor or substance-abuse counsellor, for which many states require little more than a high-school diploma or a GED. Many counsellors are in recovery themselves. The report stated: “The vast majority of people in need of addiction treatment do not receive anything that approximates evidence-based care.”

    Like I said.  1935 methods will not work.  I know a lot of atheists will sit in rooms with people talking about an invisible man in the sky, and you want people to take that program seriously.  1st they need to acknowledge God is not real and dump that.  If your religion as part of the program then it is just a fairy tale program.

    I will say it...rehab clinics and AA is just a con...these clinics are committing fraud in my opinion.
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,295
    Rehab clinics are modern snake oil salesman.
  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 14,056
    Rehab clinics are modern snake oil salesman.
    There might be some ineffective clinics but I'm sure there are good clinics out there.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 17,362
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    as a good friend says in AA , you don't have to like it, love it or roll around in the grass with it  but accept it you must.

    So, ok it is what it is. And I dont like it.
    Did the program work for you?  My brother went to rehab 3 or 4 times and tried AA ... It did not work for him.  The success of these rehab clinics is pretty low, AA does not have a great success rate.  Most rehab clinics use the 12 step program.   From what I understand the program was delivered in the '20s and is virtually unchanged since.  If that is true, you will never convince me that it can be all that good.  Times change, people change, our lives are far more busy and complicated.  Would you send kids to a school with 1920's curriculum?
    first, it was offered via the book in 39.  it tells the collective story of the first 100 or so to get and stay sober. if it aint broke, whats to improve on?

    not knowing your brothers story, I cant speak to what you seem to think doesnt work. I am going tk guess he didnt buy into the concept and do what is suggested consistently.

    success rates are factually hard to judge as its all self reported. there are no master lists beyond individual group level. the courts, unable to do anything see AA as a panacea and order attendance, should those folks count toward success rates?

    further AA doesnt proclaim itself as the end all be all in regards to alcoholism. the early members understood their limitations. the book is quite prophectic in some areas. guessing man would walk on the moon among other things, but makes it clear its meant for the hopeless and helpless and that medical science may well discover additinal trreatments. which has partially come to pass.

    You seem to have an already closed mind to the concept.

    so I'll close with a quote found in the book attributed to Herbert Spencer(in error)


     There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments   and which cannnot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation.

    William Paley
      

    as to your initial question.  I am 13yrs  4 monts and 12 days sober. sonething I could not seem to do on my own. there are any number of ways to get and stay sober. I dont know what they are. but this is working for me. allows me some peace and to live comfortably enough in my skin.

    personally the method one uses to achieve sobriety  is secondary to the end result. but all methods require active participation of  the individual for any success.
    For one.  My brother (Passed Away) was not the type of person who would have like standing up and telling strangers his problems.  And religion aspect would never sit well with him.  And the program works for a very few people.  So facts are pretty much not in dispute from what I read.  Yeah, why change?  Because the program is a failure.  And even if worked in 1930, times change, people change.  I am sure the education curriculum in 1930 was fine for 1930 and was working...but you sure as hell won't want kids educated by 1930's standard.

    You know if you got cancer, the oncology team plots a course of treatment and is tailored to your needs.

    The Irrationality of Alcoholics Anonymous
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/the-irrationality-of-alcoholics-anonymous/386255/

    Nowhere in the field of medicine is treatment less grounded in modern science. A 2012 report by the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University compared the current state of addiction medicine to general medicine in the early 1900s, when quacks worked alongside graduates of leading medical schools. The American Medical Association estimates that out of nearly 1 million doctors in the United States, only 582 identify themselves as addiction specialists. (The Columbia report notes that there may be additional doctors who have a subspecialty in addiction.) Most treatment providers carry the credential of addiction counsellor or substance-abuse counsellor, for which many states require little more than a high-school diploma or a GED. Many counsellors are in recovery themselves. The report stated: “The vast majority of people in need of addiction treatment do not receive anything that approximates evidence-based care.”

    Like I said.  1935 methods will not work.  I know a lot of atheists will sit in rooms with people talking about an invisible man in the sky, and you want people to take that program seriously.  1st they need to acknowledge God is not real and dump that.  If your religion as part of the program then it is just a fairy tale program.

    I will say it...rehab clinics and AA is just a con...these clinics are committing fraud in my opinion.
    The man tells you this method helped him a great deal and is in a better place now....and you tell him it is a con.
    You are really not a nice person.
    That stuff is downright mean.
    Hope you find some help so that you can try and be better, or at least not seek to antagonize others quite so much.
    Awful of you, really.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 17,362
    Im embarrassed and in fear drs and family have told me its not what i think but i have such debilitating symptoms that i can find a meds or a drink or a smoke that makes better  although ive become basically addicted to drink and  pot even when i know it makes  confusion  more  its the small break of maybe 1hr where  i care less. Not that it ever abates. If fuckin ridiculous im 44 and dead as far as i can see
    No idea what is going on with you, although I am sure it is really difficult.
    Please keep on trying.  It is clear that you are a good person, one who has people who love him, and that deserves to be happy 
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • SD48277SD48277 Woodstock, NYPosts: 12,198
    Im embarrassed and in fear drs and family have told me its not what i think but i have such debilitating symptoms that i can find a meds or a drink or a smoke that makes better  although ive become basically addicted to drink and  pot even when i know it makes  confusion  more  its the small break of maybe 1hr where  i care less. Not that it ever abates. If fuckin ridiculous im 44 and dead as far as i can see
    No idea what is going on with you, although I am sure it is really difficult.
    Please keep on trying.  It is clear that you are a good person, one who has people who love him, and that deserves to be happy 
    I agree with F Me. My apologies if it has been discussed before, but what about exercise? Maybe just start out with something as simple as a walk around the block/neighborhood. I am not trying to simplify what appears to be a complex issue. Sometimes it helps just to get out of the physical space you are in, and move around a bit. I hope you find the help you need.
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  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 14,056
    I found being outside listening to music today to be calming
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
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