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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Meltdown99 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Texas Shootout lol

    The Chefs had four quarters to win the game and people seem to be stuck on OT rules. OT is extra time to settle the game... not a whole new game.

    Stop the f**king offence. If you're trying to win a game to go to the Superbowl... you have to be tougher on defence than wet tissue paper.

    The Pats couldn't win with a FG. If the Chefs had stopped them... they could have won with a FG. They had that advantage. But, they offered little to no resistance- at home no less- and lost the game. Fair and square.
    Stopping the offence after 4 quarters is just not easily done.  I think both teams should possess the ball.

    For the Chefs apparently. They also had four quarters to stop them as well. And they possessed the ball multiple times during the four quarters of regulation.

    The Chefs won the original coin flip no? Didn't they defer? And then NE goes on a methodical 10 minute drive while the KC offence sat on the sidelines squirming? My point being... a 'coin flip' never cost the Chefs the game.
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  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    So if each team scores a td on their 1st possessions in OT , the team that scored 1st gets the ball again. Why is that fair then? The cycle will just continue. It fine the way it is. It's big boy professional football. I equate people that want to change the OT rules to people wanting participation trophies.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    It's the playoffs.  No harm in giving both offences the ball, then go to sudden or a generic version of college football rules.  None of the major pro-north American sports decides games this way.
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  • pjsteelerfan
    pjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,905
    edited January 2019
    JK_Livin said:
    So if each team scores a td on their 1st possessions in OT , the team that scored 1st gets the ball again. Why is that fair then? The cycle will just continue. It fine the way it is. It's big boy professional football. I equate people that want to change the OT rules to people wanting participation trophies.
    We should do the same across all sports. In baseball, if the away team scores in the top half of the inning, game over. Should have pitched better. No more 3 on 3 overtime in hockey, straight shootout. And if the first player scores,  game over.  Goalie should have stopped the first shot. Same in soccer.  Basketball, first team to score off a jump ball wins. 
    ...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    pjsteelerfan said:
    JK_Livin said:
    So if each team scores a td on their 1st possessions in OT , the team that scored 1st gets the ball again. Why is that fair then? The cycle will just continue. It fine the way it is. It's big boy professional football. I equate people that want to change the OT rules to people wanting participation trophies.
    We should do the same across all sports. In baseball, if the away team scores in the top half of the inning, game over. Should have pitched better. No more 3 on 3 overtime in hockey, straight shootout. And if the first player scores,  game over.  Goalie should have stopped the first shot. Same in soccer.  Basketball, first team to score off a jump ball wins. 
    You've tried to make this point before. It's not the same thing.
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  • pjsteelerfan
    pjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,905
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    pjsteelerfan said:
    JK_Livin said:
    So if each team scores a td on their 1st possessions in OT , the team that scored 1st gets the ball again. Why is that fair then? The cycle will just continue. It fine the way it is. It's big boy professional football. I equate people that want to change the OT rules to people wanting participation trophies.
    We should do the same across all sports. In baseball, if the away team scores in the top half of the inning, game over. Should have pitched better. No more 3 on 3 overtime in hockey, straight shootout. And if the first player scores,  game over.  Goalie should have stopped the first shot. Same in soccer.  Basketball, first team to score off a jump ball wins. 
    You've tried to make this point before. It's not the same thing.
    It actually is the same thing. 
    ...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,493
    Hockey overtime fucking sucks!  It is completely different in the regular season than in the playoffs. No other league does this. 3-on-3 and shootouts are a shitty way to decide games.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    pjsteelerfan said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    pjsteelerfan said:
    JK_Livin said:
    So if each team scores a td on their 1st possessions in OT , the team that scored 1st gets the ball again. Why is that fair then? The cycle will just continue. It fine the way it is. It's big boy professional football. I equate people that want to change the OT rules to people wanting participation trophies.
    We should do the same across all sports. In baseball, if the away team scores in the top half of the inning, game over. Should have pitched better. No more 3 on 3 overtime in hockey, straight shootout. And if the first player scores,  game over.  Goalie should have stopped the first shot. Same in soccer.  Basketball, first team to score off a jump ball wins. 
    You've tried to make this point before. It's not the same thing.
    It actually is the same thing. 
    Actually no.

    Baseball is a game played in frames (top and bottom halves of innings). There is no running time component to that sport... so no.
    Playoffs in NHL is sudden death with five skaters vs five skaters... so no.
    Soccer has always had a shootout format that they are comfortable with... so no.
    Basketball points are easy to come by. A basket is much easier than a TD or FG (hence the 100+ points for either team every night)... so no.

    No.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,557
    The Juggler said:
    Wobbie said:
    the juggler follows trey wingo on twitter :giggle:
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  • pjsteelerfan
    pjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,905
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    pjsteelerfan said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    pjsteelerfan said:
    JK_Livin said:
    So if each team scores a td on their 1st possessions in OT , the team that scored 1st gets the ball again. Why is that fair then? The cycle will just continue. It fine the way it is. It's big boy professional football. I equate people that want to change the OT rules to people wanting participation trophies.
    We should do the same across all sports. In baseball, if the away team scores in the top half of the inning, game over. Should have pitched better. No more 3 on 3 overtime in hockey, straight shootout. And if the first player scores,  game over.  Goalie should have stopped the first shot. Same in soccer.  Basketball, first team to score off a jump ball wins. 
    You've tried to make this point before. It's not the same thing.
    It actually is the same thing. 
    Actually no.

    Baseball is a game played in frames (top and bottom halves of innings). There is no running time component to that sport... so no.
    Playoffs in NHL is sudden death with five skaters vs five skaters... so no.
    Soccer has always had a shootout format that they are comfortable with... so no.
    Basketball points are easy to come by. A basket is much easier than a TD or FG (hence the 100+ points for either team every night)... so no.

    No.
    Baseball both teams get a chance to score. If away team scores in the top, home team gets a chance to score as well.
    Hockey, both teams (99% of them time) get possession of the puck with equal chance to score.
    Soccer, both teams get possession of the ball with equal chances to score.
    Basketball, both teams get possession of the ball with equal chances to score. 
    ...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,493
    The way it works in college is that possession alternates each OT period.  So if you got the ball first in the 1st OT, you get the ball 2nd in the 2nd OT, 1st in the 3rd OT, etc.  Beginning with the 3rd OT, teams must go for 2 when scoring a TD.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    pjsteelerfan said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    pjsteelerfan said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    pjsteelerfan said:
    JK_Livin said:
    So if each team scores a td on their 1st possessions in OT , the team that scored 1st gets the ball again. Why is that fair then? The cycle will just continue. It fine the way it is. It's big boy professional football. I equate people that want to change the OT rules to people wanting participation trophies.
    We should do the same across all sports. In baseball, if the away team scores in the top half of the inning, game over. Should have pitched better. No more 3 on 3 overtime in hockey, straight shootout. And if the first player scores,  game over.  Goalie should have stopped the first shot. Same in soccer.  Basketball, first team to score off a jump ball wins. 
    You've tried to make this point before. It's not the same thing.
    It actually is the same thing. 
    Actually no.

    Baseball is a game played in frames (top and bottom halves of innings). There is no running time component to that sport... so no.
    Playoffs in NHL is sudden death with five skaters vs five skaters... so no.
    Soccer has always had a shootout format that they are comfortable with... so no.
    Basketball points are easy to come by. A basket is much easier than a TD or FG (hence the 100+ points for either team every night)... so no.

    No.
    Baseball both teams get a chance to score. If away team scores in the top, home team gets a chance to score as well.
    Hockey, both teams (99% of them time) get possession of the puck with equal chance to score.
    Soccer, both teams get possession of the ball with equal chances to score.
    Basketball, both teams get possession of the ball with equal chances to score. 
    You’re taking the defence off the hook. A team needs to be strong on both sides of the ball- especially when trying to earn a berth to the SB.

    The Chefs were not as deserving as the Pats. The right team won. And I wanted the Chefs.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,557
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    pjsteelerfan said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    pjsteelerfan said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    pjsteelerfan said:
    JK_Livin said:
    So if each team scores a td on their 1st possessions in OT , the team that scored 1st gets the ball again. Why is that fair then? The cycle will just continue. It fine the way it is. It's big boy professional football. I equate people that want to change the OT rules to people wanting participation trophies.
    We should do the same across all sports. In baseball, if the away team scores in the top half of the inning, game over. Should have pitched better. No more 3 on 3 overtime in hockey, straight shootout. And if the first player scores,  game over.  Goalie should have stopped the first shot. Same in soccer.  Basketball, first team to score off a jump ball wins. 
    You've tried to make this point before. It's not the same thing.
    It actually is the same thing. 
    Actually no.

    Baseball is a game played in frames (top and bottom halves of innings). There is no running time component to that sport... so no.
    Playoffs in NHL is sudden death with five skaters vs five skaters... so no.
    Soccer has always had a shootout format that they are comfortable with... so no.
    Basketball points are easy to come by. A basket is much easier than a TD or FG (hence the 100+ points for either team every night)... so no.

    No.
    Baseball both teams get a chance to score. If away team scores in the top, home team gets a chance to score as well.
    Hockey, both teams (99% of them time) get possession of the puck with equal chance to score.
    Soccer, both teams get possession of the ball with equal chances to score.
    Basketball, both teams get possession of the ball with equal chances to score. 
    You’re taking the defence off the hook. A team needs to be strong on both sides of the ball- especially when trying to earn a berth to the SB.

    The Chefs were not as deserving as the Pats. The right team won. And I wanted the Chefs.
    The Chefs!
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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,374
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    Wobbie said:
    the juggler follows trey wingo on twitter :giggle:
    The Juggler’s everywhere, Focker. 
    Trey WIngo is another hammer I can't stand...
    oh, by the way, juggler loves him!
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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,374
    what’s all this offence defence? It’s offense and defense.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    Portland 13, Spokane 13
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  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    Maybe the Chiefs shouldn't have settled for the FG. Maybe they should've tried one more toss or 2 to the endzone. Don't put your fate in a coin when you do have an option.
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,952
    JK_Livin said:
    So if each team scores a td on their 1st possessions in OT , the team that scored 1st gets the ball again. Why is that fair then? The cycle will just continue. It fine the way it is. It's big boy professional football. I equate people that want to change the OT rules to people wanting participation trophies.
    a team that win's the coin toss in overtime has a higher percentage to win than the team that loses the toss because of the rule that a TD wins it. is it fair to give one team a greater mathematical chance to win a game because of the coin toss?  Especially in a playoff game?  you have to be crazy to think that is ok. 

    for playoffs games they should play a full 15 minute quarter. each team gets 2 timeouts.  keep playing quarters until you have a winner. 
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,952
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    pjsteelerfan said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    pjsteelerfan said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    pjsteelerfan said:
    JK_Livin said:
    So if each team scores a td on their 1st possessions in OT , the team that scored 1st gets the ball again. Why is that fair then? The cycle will just continue. It fine the way it is. It's big boy professional football. I equate people that want to change the OT rules to people wanting participation trophies.
    We should do the same across all sports. In baseball, if the away team scores in the top half of the inning, game over. Should have pitched better. No more 3 on 3 overtime in hockey, straight shootout. And if the first player scores,  game over.  Goalie should have stopped the first shot. Same in soccer.  Basketball, first team to score off a jump ball wins. 
    You've tried to make this point before. It's not the same thing.
    It actually is the same thing. 
    Actually no.

    Baseball is a game played in frames (top and bottom halves of innings). There is no running time component to that sport... so no.
    Playoffs in NHL is sudden death with five skaters vs five skaters... so no.
    Soccer has always had a shootout format that they are comfortable with... so no.
    Basketball points are easy to come by. A basket is much easier than a TD or FG (hence the 100+ points for either team every night)... so no.

    No.
    Baseball both teams get a chance to score. If away team scores in the top, home team gets a chance to score as well.
    Hockey, both teams (99% of them time) get possession of the puck with equal chance to score.
    Soccer, both teams get possession of the ball with equal chances to score.
    Basketball, both teams get possession of the ball with equal chances to score. 
    You’re taking the defence off the hook. A team needs to be strong on both sides of the ball- especially when trying to earn a berth to the SB.

    The Chefs were not as deserving as the Pats. The right team won. And I wanted the Chefs.
    but mathematically they were given less chance to win because of the coin toss. it's not a 50/50 split on percentages to win on who wins and loses the coin toss.  offense and defense can win with one score but the probability of an offense scoring a TD is far greater than the Defense scoring a TD or safety.  the mathematics of using a coin toss doesn't work fairly for both teams once the coin toss has been determined.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,644
    look to the CFL for your OT rules that make sense (except where the ball is placed-it should be farther back-centre field). 

    playing another full quarter is not the solution. the players are already exhausted and you'd just end up with more injuries or worse. 

    OT in NFL is nonsense.  you win the coin toss, you most likely win the game. it's that simple. 
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited January 2019
    pjhawks said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    pjsteelerfan said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    pjsteelerfan said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    pjsteelerfan said:
    JK_Livin said:
    So if each team scores a td on their 1st possessions in OT , the team that scored 1st gets the ball again. Why is that fair then? The cycle will just continue. It fine the way it is. It's big boy professional football. I equate people that want to change the OT rules to people wanting participation trophies.
    We should do the same across all sports. In baseball, if the away team scores in the top half of the inning, game over. Should have pitched better. No more 3 on 3 overtime in hockey, straight shootout. And if the first player scores,  game over.  Goalie should have stopped the first shot. Same in soccer.  Basketball, first team to score off a jump ball wins. 
    You've tried to make this point before. It's not the same thing.
    It actually is the same thing. 
    Actually no.

    Baseball is a game played in frames (top and bottom halves of innings). There is no running time component to that sport... so no.
    Playoffs in NHL is sudden death with five skaters vs five skaters... so no.
    Soccer has always had a shootout format that they are comfortable with... so no.
    Basketball points are easy to come by. A basket is much easier than a TD or FG (hence the 100+ points for either team every night)... so no.

    No.
    Baseball both teams get a chance to score. If away team scores in the top, home team gets a chance to score as well.
    Hockey, both teams (99% of them time) get possession of the puck with equal chance to score.
    Soccer, both teams get possession of the ball with equal chances to score.
    Basketball, both teams get possession of the ball with equal chances to score. 
    You’re taking the defence off the hook. A team needs to be strong on both sides of the ball- especially when trying to earn a berth to the SB.

    The Chefs were not as deserving as the Pats. The right team won. And I wanted the Chefs.
    but mathematically they were given less chance to win because of the coin toss. it's not a 50/50 split on percentages to win on who wins and loses the coin toss.  offense and defense can win with one score but the probability of an offense scoring a TD is far greater than the Defense scoring a TD or safety.  the mathematics of using a coin toss doesn't work fairly for both teams once the coin toss has been determined.
    What would be fairest is to simply add time to the game like ‘extra time’ in soccer.

    In such a situation, it would have been Pats’ ball anyways.

    What is fair is both teams had a chance to win in regulation. Get the job done and don’t worry about OT and how the OT format might not work for you.

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