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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mickeyrat said:
    if bellichick is so fucking great, then why did the browns still suck under him?
    Because the whole rest of the Browns organization sucked.
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    Jason P said:
    Two entertaining games.  Was hoping for the Super Tecmo Bowl rematch.  Andy Reid could have used the announcers last night for his defensive coordinators as they (and most anyone else that has watched the Pats) knew exactly the routes and passes they would throw before the snap.  Smart on Belichick putting lots of pressure on a (technically) rookie QB who doesn't have the experience to audible.  It will be interesting to see if they try the same against Goff, but maybe the Rams watch game film because I'm not sure the Chiefs do.

    Wonder if the refs had to be choppered out by SWAT in New Orleans ...
    Yep.  Tony Romo was calling the plays before they happened.

    Andy Reid got Bellicheckmated...
    Brady'd not Bellichecked.  

    I think that the coach had a large impact in the Patriots win.
    Notice that as the game wound down there was one team who had all of their Time Outs?  That the game planning in advance worked well prior to halftime adjustments?  (Extremely well) 
    It is not a knock on Big Red that Bad Bill is amazing as a HC.  Respect to Bill.  He is the best.
    I do think Reid lacks situational/in game awareness and that showed again yesterday.  Good adjustments at half and he has done a super job with his young QB.  I am a fan of Andy Reid, but Bad Bill is just so good.
    To give credit to Brady and not Bad Bill is a very different viewpoint than I had watching that game.
    (Brady was really good, as well.  Of course.)
    didn't that same coach also blow a 14-point lead at halftime? and a 3 point lead in 30 seconds?   the Pats won the game because of Brady and a coin flip.  If the Chiefs win the coin flip they probably score a TD and win the game.

    the Bulls didn't win because of Phil Jackson but because of Michael Jordan.  The Pats win because of Brady.  
    That's wrong too.  Look where Phil went on to win w the Lakers.  

    He had a way of getting players to "play".

    Don't bring up the Knicks because he wasn't the coach there.
    yea he had Shaq and Kobe in their prime with the Lakers. two dominant players. one probably in the top 10 or so of all time and one a physical specimen that was unstoppable when healthy and motivated.  Not saying they aren't good to great coaches but fact is they win an have won at historic levels because they have/had the the best players of all time.  don't really think that's even a question.

    I hope Bellichick hangs around after Brady retires. i imagine his genius won't be so genius like with Brian Hoyer at QB.  you know like when he was in cleveland

    Well he also was the defensive coordinator for two super bowl champions that were driven by their defense. 

    And he turned that Cleveland team around before the rug got pulled out from under them when Model announced they were moving to Baltimore. I suggest watching the Football Life episode about the '95 Browns. 
    before Brady took over as starter in NE he was 41-55 overall with 1 winning season in 6 years

    turned around cleveland?  - 1 good year in 5 years.   not exactly lighting it up.
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    You guys are missing the point. It’s the whole Patriots organization that has lead to the level of success they’ve had. From Kraft, Belichick and Brady to all the unknown folks who do all the menial shit of operating a stadium complex, and everyone in between. Anywhere else and you get two or three seasons followed by mediocrity. The Pats haven’t been mediocre since 2000.
     

    ALL the MAGA’s deserve credit! to say otherwise is fake news.
    And all the other GOAT wannabes will be forever on the outside looking in, faces pressed up against the glass, eyes wide, tongues out. In your life time, mine and three generations from now. To say otherwise is just Team Trump Treasonous.
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  • pjhawks
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    The Juggler said:
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    Jason P said:
    Two entertaining games.  Was hoping for the Super Tecmo Bowl rematch.  Andy Reid could have used the announcers last night for his defensive coordinators as they (and most anyone else that has watched the Pats) knew exactly the routes and passes they would throw before the snap.  Smart on Belichick putting lots of pressure on a (technically) rookie QB who doesn't have the experience to audible.  It will be interesting to see if they try the same against Goff, but maybe the Rams watch game film because I'm not sure the Chiefs do.

    Wonder if the refs had to be choppered out by SWAT in New Orleans ...
    Yep.  Tony Romo was calling the plays before they happened.

    Andy Reid got Bellicheckmated...
    Brady'd not Bellichecked.  

    I think that the coach had a large impact in the Patriots win.
    Notice that as the game wound down there was one team who had all of their Time Outs?  That the game planning in advance worked well prior to halftime adjustments?  (Extremely well) 
    It is not a knock on Big Red that Bad Bill is amazing as a HC.  Respect to Bill.  He is the best.
    I do think Reid lacks situational/in game awareness and that showed again yesterday.  Good adjustments at half and he has done a super job with his young QB.  I am a fan of Andy Reid, but Bad Bill is just so good.
    To give credit to Brady and not Bad Bill is a very different viewpoint than I had watching that game.
    (Brady was really good, as well.  Of course.)
    didn't that same coach also blow a 14-point lead at halftime? and a 3 point lead in 30 seconds?   the Pats won the game because of Brady and a coin flip.  If the Chiefs win the coin flip they probably score a TD and win the game.

    the Bulls didn't win because of Phil Jackson but because of Michael Jordan.  The Pats win because of Brady.  
    That's wrong too.  Look where Phil went on to win w the Lakers.  

    He had a way of getting players to "play".

    Don't bring up the Knicks because he wasn't the coach there.
    yea he had Shaq and Kobe in their prime with the Lakers. two dominant players. one probably in the top 10 or so of all time and one a physical specimen that was unstoppable when healthy and motivated.  Not saying they aren't good to great coaches but fact is they win an have won at historic levels because they have/had the the best players of all time.  don't really think that's even a question.

    I hope Bellichick hangs around after Brady retires. i imagine his genius won't be so genius like with Brian Hoyer at QB.  you know like when he was in cleveland

    Well he also was the defensive coordinator for two super bowl champions that were driven by their defense. 

    And he turned that Cleveland team around before the rug got pulled out from under them when Model announced they were moving to Baltimore. I suggest watching the Football Life episode about the '95 Browns. 
    before Brady took over as starter in NE he was 41-55 overall with 1 winning season in 6 years

    turned around cleveland?  - 1 good year in 5 years.   not exactly lighting it up.
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    Yes. This was the early 90's right before free agency in the NFL started so it took 3-4 years to turn teams around. The '95 season was lost the moment Model announced they were moving the team to Baltimore. Go and watch that doc. It's entertaining and you'll learn something. 

    Also--2 time super bowl champion defensive coordinator. To act like he is nothing without Brady is foolish. 
    never said any such thing. I said he is good to great for sure.  the historic run they have been on has more to do with the QB than the coach. Same as the Bulls.  Take Brady from the Pats and they don't have this run.  Take Belichick away and keep Brady they might still have the same run. 
    "good to great"
    HA
    HA

    It's debatable to say a coach of Andy Reid's ilk is "good to great." There's no debate on if Belichick is great or not. None. 



    By the way, saying their success has "more to do" with Brady is vastly different than saying they win "because of" Brady and that the coach doesn't deserve any credit.
    When did I ever say Belichick didn’t deserve credit?  Of course you are the same guy who said a few years ago they were winning because of Steven Ridley more than Brady so I guess I shouldn’t expect more from ya
  • The Juggler
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    edited January 2019
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    Jason P said:
    Two entertaining games.  Was hoping for the Super Tecmo Bowl rematch.  Andy Reid could have used the announcers last night for his defensive coordinators as they (and most anyone else that has watched the Pats) knew exactly the routes and passes they would throw before the snap.  Smart on Belichick putting lots of pressure on a (technically) rookie QB who doesn't have the experience to audible.  It will be interesting to see if they try the same against Goff, but maybe the Rams watch game film because I'm not sure the Chiefs do.

    Wonder if the refs had to be choppered out by SWAT in New Orleans ...
    Yep.  Tony Romo was calling the plays before they happened.

    Andy Reid got Bellicheckmated...
    Brady'd not Bellichecked.  

    I think that the coach had a large impact in the Patriots win.
    Notice that as the game wound down there was one team who had all of their Time Outs?  That the game planning in advance worked well prior to halftime adjustments?  (Extremely well) 
    It is not a knock on Big Red that Bad Bill is amazing as a HC.  Respect to Bill.  He is the best.
    I do think Reid lacks situational/in game awareness and that showed again yesterday.  Good adjustments at half and he has done a super job with his young QB.  I am a fan of Andy Reid, but Bad Bill is just so good.
    To give credit to Brady and not Bad Bill is a very different viewpoint than I had watching that game.
    (Brady was really good, as well.  Of course.)
    didn't that same coach also blow a 14-point lead at halftime? and a 3 point lead in 30 seconds?   the Pats won the game because of Brady and a coin flip.  If the Chiefs win the coin flip they probably score a TD and win the game.

    the Bulls didn't win because of Phil Jackson but because of Michael Jordan.  The Pats win because of Brady.  
    That's wrong too.  Look where Phil went on to win w the Lakers.  

    He had a way of getting players to "play".

    Don't bring up the Knicks because he wasn't the coach there.
    yea he had Shaq and Kobe in their prime with the Lakers. two dominant players. one probably in the top 10 or so of all time and one a physical specimen that was unstoppable when healthy and motivated.  Not saying they aren't good to great coaches but fact is they win an have won at historic levels because they have/had the the best players of all time.  don't really think that's even a question.

    I hope Bellichick hangs around after Brady retires. i imagine his genius won't be so genius like with Brian Hoyer at QB.  you know like when he was in cleveland

    Well he also was the defensive coordinator for two super bowl champions that were driven by their defense. 

    And he turned that Cleveland team around before the rug got pulled out from under them when Model announced they were moving to Baltimore. I suggest watching the Football Life episode about the '95 Browns. 
    before Brady took over as starter in NE he was 41-55 overall with 1 winning season in 6 years

    turned around cleveland?  - 1 good year in 5 years.   not exactly lighting it up.
    6-10
    7-9
    7-9
    11-5
    5-11
    Yes. This was the early 90's right before free agency in the NFL started so it took 3-4 years to turn teams around. The '95 season was lost the moment Model announced they were moving the team to Baltimore. Go and watch that doc. It's entertaining and you'll learn something. 

    Also--2 time super bowl champion defensive coordinator. To act like he is nothing without Brady is foolish. 
    never said any such thing. I said he is good to great for sure.  the historic run they have been on has more to do with the QB than the coach. Same as the Bulls.  Take Brady from the Pats and they don't have this run.  Take Belichick away and keep Brady they might still have the same run. 
    "good to great"
    HA
    HA

    It's debatable to say a coach of Andy Reid's ilk is "good to great." There's no debate on if Belichick is great or not. None. 



    By the way, saying their success has "more to do" with Brady is vastly different than saying they win "because of" Brady and that the coach doesn't deserve any credit.
    When did I ever say Belichick didn’t deserve credit?  Of course you are the same guy who said a few years ago they were winning because of Steven Ridley more than Brady so I guess I shouldn’t expect more from ya
    Scroll up. 

    And, nope. Just like yesterday proved yet again, I’ve always said the Pats do a great job of helping their qb out by not making him throw the ball 70%+ of the time. 48 runs/46 passes with possibly the greatest qb to ever play the game. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    So Tony Romo is being hailed as a hero for being able to call the plays in the booth before they happen but Belichick and/or players can’t do it unless they cheated? That makes a lot of sense. And how much did the Chiefs front office pay the person to shine a laser pointer in TB’s face?
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  • HesCalledDyer
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    Just play a full 10-minute quarter of OT in the playoffs. Still tied? Then go to a sudden death 2nd overtime. It might make for an injury risk. But every football play makes for an injury risk. 
    I would prefer a 15 minute quarter. Some teams can go on a nearly 10 minute drive.

    i wonder what is the longest time of possession drive in NFL history :confused:
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    Wobbie said:
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    Just play a full 10-minute quarter of OT in the playoffs. Still tied? Then go to a sudden death 2nd overtime. It might make for an injury risk. But every football play makes for an injury risk. 
    I would prefer a 15 minute quarter. Some teams can go on a nearly 10 minute drive.

    i wonder what is the longest time of possession drive in NFL history :confused:
    I would prefer that too but now that they've changed the overtime to 10 minutes in the regular seasons, we may be stuck with it. 
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    And how much did the Chiefs front office pay the person to shine a laser pointer in TB’s face?
    Every team has these sort of moronic fans. Even yours. Some Patriots fan pulled the fire alarm at the Steelers hotel at like 3am on the day of the 2016 AFC Championship...forcing everybody out of the hotel into the cold. 

    The worst of all is that idiot making the whistling sound during the Saints/Rams game. My friend works for the Saints and I jokingly texted him during the game and asked him to go into the crowd and kill the whistling guy. He texted back, "Dude..he's right fucking behind me." I didn't have a cheering interest in the game so I started cheering the Rams to just because of that whistling guy.
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Wobbie said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Just play a full 10-minute quarter of OT in the playoffs. Still tied? Then go to a sudden death 2nd overtime. It might make for an injury risk. But every football play makes for an injury risk. 
    I would prefer a 15 minute quarter. Some teams can go on a nearly 10 minute drive.

    i wonder what is the longest time of possession drive in NFL history :confused:
    I would prefer that too but now that they've changed the overtime to 10 minutes in the regular seasons, we may be stuck with it. 
    Just do overtime similar to college. Each team starts on the 25 yard line. have 4 downs to get 10 yards or score.  Can still kick a field goal. But if you score a TD, you have to go for 2. No extra points. And no timeouts in overtime.  
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    Texas Shootout lol

    The Chefs had four quarters to win the game and people seem to be stuck on OT rules. OT is extra time to settle the game... not a whole new game.

    Stop the f**king offence. If you're trying to win a game to go to the Superbowl... you have to be tougher on defence than wet tissue paper.

    The Pats couldn't win with a FG. If the Chefs had stopped them... they could have won with a FG. They had that advantage. But, they offered little to no resistance- at home no less- and lost the game. Fair and square.
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  • F Me In The Brain
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    I agree it is not perfect but I think the existing OT rules are fine.  Win the game. Score a TD.  Stop the O.  Get a FG.  Stop them from getting a winning TD and hold them to a FG so you get another shot.  Big deal.  I agree w/Dirty Thirty -- win the game when you have the chance.  No bitching after,
    (Unless you are Aints and the refs totally job you with a non call on a play that was obvious to anyone watching.)
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    F Me In The Brain said:
    I agree it is not perfect but I think the existing OT rules are fine.  Win the game. Score a TD.  Stop the O.  Get a FG.  Stop them from getting a winning TD and hold them to a FG so you get another shot.  Big deal.  I agree w/Dirty Thirty -- win the game when you have the chance.  No bitching after,
    (Unless you are Aints and the refs totally job you with a non call on a play that was obvious to anyone watching.)

    That is the travesty from this past weekend. The Saints got screwed. I feel there should be some officials not granted a playoff game for 2-3 years as a result.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    pjsteelerfan said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Wobbie said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Just play a full 10-minute quarter of OT in the playoffs. Still tied? Then go to a sudden death 2nd overtime. It might make for an injury risk. But every football play makes for an injury risk. 
    I would prefer a 15 minute quarter. Some teams can go on a nearly 10 minute drive.

    i wonder what is the longest time of possession drive in NFL history :confused:
    I would prefer that too but now that they've changed the overtime to 10 minutes in the regular seasons, we may be stuck with it. 
    Just do overtime similar to college. Each team starts on the 25 yard line. have 4 downs to get 10 yards or score.  Can still kick a field goal. But if you score a TD, you have to go for 2. No extra points. And no timeouts in overtime.  
    I would have no problem with that, other than they should start at midfield, at least make them earn getting in scoring position.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Texas Shootout lol

    The Chefs had four quarters to win the game and people seem to be stuck on OT rules. OT is extra time to settle the game... not a whole new game.

    Stop the f**king offence. If you're trying to win a game to go to the Superbowl... you have to be tougher on defence than wet tissue paper.

    The Pats couldn't win with a FG. If the Chefs had stopped them... they could have won with a FG. They had that advantage. But, they offered little to no resistance- at home no less- and lost the game. Fair and square.
    Stopping the offence after 4 quarters is just not easily done.  I think both teams should possess the ball.
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