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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,973


    What's conservative about separating families from the border or banning muslims from entering our country, or forcing American companies like Harley Davidson to produce their product overseas as a result of Trump's dumb trade war, or adding billions (trillions?) to the deficit? I think I am missing something here.


    There is nothing conservative about Donald Trump. Nothing. The man is a carnival barking fraud conservative who just placates to gun lovers, despite not being a gun enthusiast; and Christians, despite never going to church and never displaying any of their supposed values.


    Perhaps you're excited about Space Force!

    Companies like Toyota, Mercedes, Subaru, etc., came to build factories here in the US not because of tariffs but because it was cheaper.  I do wonder if Harley Davidson was contemplating a move and this sealed the deal?

    I agree with everything else.  Trump has always said, years ago, that if he ran for president he would run Republican.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,577
    edited June 2018
    vaggar99 said:
    I'm conflicted about Schmidt because I like so much of what he has to say, yet he was the one who foisted Sarah Palin on the national scene and kind of expedited the GOP's fall from grace. At the same time, this guy speaks truth to power every time he opens his mouth.  
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,615
    BS44325 said:
    I agree with you. Trump is non-ideological in the sense he just wants "wins". For him it isn't about being conservative in any way unless being conservative can give him a "win" in another arena. I would bet that when it comes to appointing a conservative judge he does so not because he actually cares but because he thinks it will give him a "win" with the electorate. With respect to trade I believe he is a free-trader at heart but he recognizes that the world isn't really participating in a free and fair trade system so he is willing to take completely non-conservative position in order to generate a future economic "win" overall. In his mind he believes the US can withstand the negative aspects of a trade war and eventually "win" through future negotiated settlement. It's controversial but it is definitely a strategy. The debt is the biggest thing for sure but at the end of the day your country, my country, every country is screwed on debt unless they are willing to take on entitlement spending. It is "conservative" to want to cut this spending but I am not sure at the end of the day even Trump has the balls to tackle it. Which is why I am globally pessimistic...I don't think anybody has the balls.

    Lastly on "Trump's politics are not conservative" it amazes me that the democrats do not take advantage of this. There is no doubt in my mind that other then judges (which he has to appoint) he is by far the most liberal president the democrats will ever see. They have a massive opportunity to cut a deal with him on some liberal terms if only they chose not to "resist". He has the capacity like no other to turn to his GOP base and get them to pipe down. It seems to me that much could be solved if they threw their hatred down.
    I don't think he's a free trader at all.  That's not how he has conducted his business historically.  He presses down on subcontractors, fails to pay his subs, etc.  He doesn't believe in compromise.  If he doesn't get everything he wants, he thinks he's getting ripped off.  That's not how a free trader thinks.  
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Companies like Toyota, Mercedes, Subaru, etc., came to build factories here in the US not because of tariffs but because it was cheaper.  I do wonder if Harley Davidson was contemplating a move and this sealed the deal?

    I agree with everything else.  Trump has always said, years ago, that if he ran for president he would run Republican.
    They likely built factories in the US because that's who gave them the best incentives ... 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,577
    mrussel1 said:
    I don't think he's a free trader at all.  That's not how he has conducted his business historically.  He presses down on subcontractors, fails to pay his subs, etc.  He doesn't believe in compromise.  If he doesn't get everything he wants, he thinks he's getting ripped off.  That's not how a free trader thinks.  

    If there's one thing Trump has been consistent with in the last 40 years its that he is NOT a free trader at all. He's been talking like this since the 80's.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,615
    They likely built factories in the US because that's who gave them the best incentives ... 
    Don't forget that BMW's largest factory in the world is in Greenville, SC.  They export 70% of the cars built there.  That's all going to change.  It's also located right next to a Michelin plant (French company).  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,165
    Companies like Toyota, Mercedes, Subaru, etc., came to build factories here in the US not because of tariffs but because it was cheaper.  I do wonder if Harley Davidson was contemplating a move and this sealed the deal?

    I agree with everything else.  Trump has always said, years ago, that if he ran for president he would run Republican.
    if you are referring to that "interview" where he claimed he would run republican because they have the most gullible voters, that was proven false. he never said that. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    vaggar99 said:
    he panders.  I can understand how the mouth breathers at his rallies go for it.  I will never understand how someone with an above 50 IQ could go for it.
    Because it's transactional.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,577
    if you are referring to that "interview" where he claimed he would run republican because they have the most gullible voters, that was proven false. he never said that. 

    "I love the poorly educated" -direct quote. And whether he called them gullible or not, it's true. Him being president is all the proof you need.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    edited June 2018
    I'm conflicted about Schmidt because I like so much of what he has to say, yet he was the one who foisted Sarah Palin on the national scene and kind of expedited the GOP's fall from grace. At the same time, this guy speaks truth to power every time he opens his mouth.  
    You are right though on Palin which is why Schmidt is a total phonie. Palin didn't ask for the job. These McCain people went out and picked her because McCain was open floundering against Obama and they needed some kind of spark. Love her or hate her she was the only "energy" that existed on that lame excuse of a campaign where the base was intending on staying home. McCain, Schmidt, Nicole Wallace etc. are trying to get their invitations back to the upper crust social events of the NYC/DC corridor and hope if they throw enough Palin-like people under the bus all will be forgotten. Pathetic.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,165

    "I love the poorly educated" -direct quote. And whether he called them gullible or not, it's true. Him being president is all the proof you need.
    I know. that was on the campaign trail. I was referring to that fake quote from a vanity fair piece back in the 80's. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    mrussel1 said:
    I don't think he's a free trader at all.  That's not how he has conducted his business historically.  He presses down on subcontractors, fails to pay his subs, etc.  He doesn't believe in compromise.  If he doesn't get everything he wants, he thinks he's getting ripped off.  That's not how a free trader thinks.  
    You're mixing up strong arm business tactics with the principle of "free trade". These are not even close to the same thing. And again...the world doesn't really have a pure free trade system...it is just a number of business deals. So with that being the case Trump is going to bring his private sector business skills to get America the best deal possible. He has said he would welcome a complete open trade system with zero tariffs and zero subsidies but he knows that will never occur.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,165
    BS44325 said:

    You're mixing up strong arm business tactics with the principle of "free trade". These are not even close to the same thing. And again...the world doesn't really have a pure free trade system...it is just a number of business deals. So with that being the case Trump is going to bring his private sector business skills to get America the best deal possible. He has said he would welcome a complete open trade system with zero tariffs and zero subsidies but he knows that will never occur.
    the only way he supports a complete open trade system is if he makes it so one-sided he can brag about how awesome a deal he made for the US and how intelligent he is compared to everyone else. won't happen. no world leader is as dumb as he is. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    "I love the poorly educated" -direct quote. And whether he called them gullible or not, it's true. Him being president is all the proof you need.
    But many where "the poorly educated" as a badge of honour. Phd's and MSc's are overrated in the real world. It is you who confuses "poorly educated" with "stupid".
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,615
    BS44325 said:

    You're mixing up strong arm business tactics with the principle of "free trade". These are not even close to the same thing. And again...the world doesn't really have a pure free trade system...it is just a number of business deals. So with that being the case Trump is going to bring his private sector business skills to get America the best deal possible. He has said he would welcome a complete open trade system with zero tariffs and zero subsidies but he knows that will never occur.
    The US could never engage in a true free trade system.  It would benefit China and other countries with low wages, so that's a bs offer.  This is why TPP was so important and it was so idiotic to pull out of it.  Trade and tariffs was but a small piece.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,615
    BTW - not paying your subs after work completed is not strong arm business tactics.. it's dirty business. 
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    mrussel1 said:
    Don't forget that BMW's largest factory in the world is in Greenville, SC.  They export 70% of the cars built there.  That's all going to change.  It's also located right next to a Michelin plant (French company).  
    As things are currently I am no fan of those trade agreements...

    We in Canada have lost plenty of auto jobs since these agreements have come to fruition.  I realize some of those losses are because of technology ... but last year CAMI in Woodstock Ontario shipped 400 jobs to Mexico, they did this 2 years after receiving millions in welfare...and that's just 1 example.

    I'd rather tell these asshole companies who want welfare to leave ... the government can take the welfare they give these companies and re-train the people who loose their over a new policy of 0 corporate welfare, the employees that too old to make re-traing worthwhile, put on a pension.

    Invest in individuals, not welfare corporations...

    I think Canada would be stupid to sign a trade agreement that does not address corporate welfare.

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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,973
    if you are referring to that "interview" where he claimed he would run republican because they have the most gullible voters, that was proven false. he never said that. 
    He said he was registered republican, my mistake.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    It won't happen Hugh because no country has a domestic appetite for an open trade system. They all subsidize the industries that bring them votes. Look at our own country...Bernier just got tossed from the Conservative shadow cabinet because he suggested they end supply management. It is crazy...you can't even discuss ending subsidies without getting removed...from the Conservative Party! Free trade just ain't real and Trump knows this so why keep up the charade?
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:
    BTW - not paying your subs after work completed is not strong arm business tactics.. it's dirty business. 
    Fair.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,615
    As things are currently I am no fan of those trade agreements...

    We in Canada have lost plenty of auto jobs since these agreements have come to fruition.  I realize some of those losses are because of technology ... but last year CAMI in Woodstock Ontario shipped 400 jobs to Mexico, they did this 2 years after receiving millions in welfare...and that's just 1 example.

    I'd rather tell these asshole companies who want welfare to leave ... the government can take the welfare they give these companies and re-train the people who loose their over a new policy of 0 corporate welfare, the employees that too old to make re-traing worthwhile, put on a pension.

    Invest in individuals, not welfare corporations...

    I think Canada would be stupid to sign a trade agreement that does not address corporate welfare.

    Trade agreements are done with countries, corp welfare is between a country and domestic business.  These two things seem to be unrelated.  I don't know anything about the situation in Ontario, but I do believe that global trade and the integrated economy is the single most important reason why we've had 80 years of intercontinental peace.  Wars are always about land, resources, and money (Crusades aside).  Having integrated economies has removed some of the incentive for war.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,615
    BS44325 said:
    It won't happen Hugh because no country has a domestic appetite for an open trade system. They all subsidize the industries that bring them votes. Look at our own country...Bernier just got tossed from the Conservative shadow cabinet because he suggested they end supply management. It is crazy...you can't even discuss ending subsidies without getting removed...from the Conservative Party! Free trade just ain't real and Trump knows this so why keep up the charade?
    It is a "marketing" word... like pro-life as an example.  So I agree with you, but it is a contrasting word from tariffs.  It's about reduced trade barriers.  
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,973
    I know. that was on the campaign trail. I was referring to that fake quote from a vanity fair piece back in the 80's. 
    It was people mag.

    I'm trying to remember if he said anything on the Howard Stern show?  I remember him saying stupid shit but can't remember what.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,577
    BS44325 said:
    But many where "the poorly educated" as a badge of honour. Phd's and MSc's are overrated in the real world. It is you who confuses "poorly educated" with "stupid".

    Did you see the video I posted earlier of Trump supporters being really excited about the Space Force? A large portion of his supporters are stupid and/or brainwashed.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    BS44325 said:

    You're mixing up strong arm business tactics with the principle of "free trade". These are not even close to the same thing. And again...the world doesn't really have a pure free trade system...it is just a number of business deals. So with that being the case Trump is going to bring his private sector business skills to get America the best deal possible. He has said he would welcome a complete open trade system with zero tariffs and zero subsidies but he knows that will never occur.
    So you're a believer in his "private sector business skills"?
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,165
    He said he was registered republican, my mistake.
    forgive the wiki info, but I think it's accurate:
    Trump's political party affiliation has changed numerous times over the years. He was a Democrat prior to 1987, when he registered as a Republican in Manhattan.[319] He switched to Independent in 1999, Democrat in 2001, and back to Republican in 2009. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 41,028
    BS44325 said:
    But many where "the poorly educated" as a badge of honour. Phd's and MSc's are overrated in the real world. It is you who confuses "poorly educated" with "stupid".
    For fucks sake look at the unemployment numbers. Poof! There goes your BS  argument in the real world! Look at lifetime earning potential and quality of life factors. Team Trump Treason and his ilk would have us return to serfdom. Better get off the pipe yo!
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    BS44325 said:
    Because it's transactional.
    does decency play into your transactions?
  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    my2hands said:
    So you're a believer in his "private sector business skills"?
    HILARIOUS
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  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    #SteamrollerTrump has zero "private sector business skills"
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