Donald Trump

Lerxst1992

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

1SunShower0 said:

90% of the country obsesses over politicians who couldn’t care less about you. The amount of attention donald trump garners from the radical right and left is solely why he still exists. Obviously the radical right isn’t going to stop, but if the radicals like yourselves would stop obsessing over him then we might get somewhere. But we have the Halifax Maxes of the world. And the ikiTs of the world who cant go 2 minutes without relating everything in life to the guy

Your assessments are off.  A minority of the country obsesses about politics.  For example, Fox's biggest audience in a big week (last week) was 4MM people on Tucker.  That's less than 1% of the population.  The midterms was further proof that people are not obsessing over the tit for tat that happens in daily politics.  

And I find it interesting that you are blaming posters here (on the left) and the hard right citizens for what is wrong today.  When in actuality, it's the media that has effectively monetized nightly anger that bears responsibility for the state of affairs between politics and the citizens.  If you want things to change, getting annoying with H2M isn't going to solve it.  It won't be until Fox (and to much lesser extent) MSNBC's business model changes.  

Although I agree with your conclusions, we can do so much with interpretations of maths. 4M may not sound like a lot, but the right has built an impenetrable ecosystem based off of fox and the conservative radio networks in rural, exurban America and many smaller cities. Even in NYC suburbs that have a history of voting dem.

Those 4M interact with their extended families, friends, barbers, bartenders and on and on, so that mushrooms into perhaps a 30M block of voters that are completely unreachable for the Dems. These folks, including the right leaning ‘bomb droppers’ who occasionally show up here simply to vent and not discuss, have zero idea about the huge list of Bidens legislative accomplishments that will help out many in the middle and right. Even moderate voters on here dismiss the Biden legislative accomplishments list to lump him in with ‘bad presidents.’

 Here in blue NYS, in districts that voted dem for decades, the right was able to flip four seats and the speakership based on an absurd bail reform belief that has almost nothing to do with congress, and nobody seemed to notice except the voters here and fox. Although bail reform got little coverage nationwide on cnn and msnbc, it did on fox, and it spread like wildfire here and single-handedly flipped the house.



TL;DR - Biden actually did a decent job in his first congressional session, but few outside the left seem to notice. And fox created a bail narrative that flipped the house

Few things..

1. I agree that the right wing echo chamber is effective, and there's a portion of the population that has been radicalized in this country, more so than ever before.  
2. However, I do think it's still a small minority.  I'm not suggesting it's 1%, but used that as an illustration as to how small even the largest network's direct reach is.  
3. I don't live in NY so not sure how effective that bail reform issue was, but for every one of those, there were corresponding crazies in AZ, NV and other places that won districts that should have gone red historically (due to mid term trends plus the economy) that did not turn red because of independents being turned off from the crazies. 

For NY, I think it's probably similar to the issue VA had in 2021.  Gov Youngkin made 'parents rights' an issue and flipped some NOVA votes that moved the election in his favor.  But since then, things reverted back, as the fever on the issue broke.  People are realizing it was silly here, and since then the Democrats protected house seats and won a key state senate seat last week that expanded the D majority.  Youngkin campaigned heavily for it, and lost.  Don't despair, it may be a one time thing up there where D's have to figure out how to blunt the issue. 

That’s a good comparison to VA but I am a bit concerned it’s more significant here. Zeldins former House seat in eastern LI was actually dem for over ten years before trump appeared on the political stage. That district used to be powered by the libs in the hamptons, now it’s controlled by voters  in a “rural/exurban” region in central Suffolk county (not the glitzy hamptons and too far to be a NYC suburb). That seat appears to be solidly red for the long term. Also, In 2021, an off year, the republicans swept the local government elections. So the red trend has endured a two year election cycle so far, and eight years on the east end.

I thought all those fuckers moved to Florida already. 

A lot of union cops and firefighters (ironically working in nyc boroughs although not considered a true suburb) who are married to LI teachers. Many in the trades also. Essentially the epicenter for voters Dems have lost touch with last ten years or so. Dems lost  ground with teachers here also with the pandemic wars, similar to what is now playing in our virus thread.

mrussel1

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

1SunShower0 said:

90% of the country obsesses over politicians who couldn’t care less about you. The amount of attention donald trump garners from the radical right and left is solely why he still exists. Obviously the radical right isn’t going to stop, but if the radicals like yourselves would stop obsessing over him then we might get somewhere. But we have the Halifax Maxes of the world. And the ikiTs of the world who cant go 2 minutes without relating everything in life to the guy

Your assessments are off.  A minority of the country obsesses about politics.  For example, Fox's biggest audience in a big week (last week) was 4MM people on Tucker.  That's less than 1% of the population.  The midterms was further proof that people are not obsessing over the tit for tat that happens in daily politics.  

And I find it interesting that you are blaming posters here (on the left) and the hard right citizens for what is wrong today.  When in actuality, it's the media that has effectively monetized nightly anger that bears responsibility for the state of affairs between politics and the citizens.  If you want things to change, getting annoying with H2M isn't going to solve it.  It won't be until Fox (and to much lesser extent) MSNBC's business model changes.  

Although I agree with your conclusions, we can do so much with interpretations of maths. 4M may not sound like a lot, but the right has built an impenetrable ecosystem based off of fox and the conservative radio networks in rural, exurban America and many smaller cities. Even in NYC suburbs that have a history of voting dem.

Those 4M interact with their extended families, friends, barbers, bartenders and on and on, so that mushrooms into perhaps a 30M block of voters that are completely unreachable for the Dems. These folks, including the right leaning ‘bomb droppers’ who occasionally show up here simply to vent and not discuss, have zero idea about the huge list of Bidens legislative accomplishments that will help out many in the middle and right. Even moderate voters on here dismiss the Biden legislative accomplishments list to lump him in with ‘bad presidents.’

 Here in blue NYS, in districts that voted dem for decades, the right was able to flip four seats and the speakership based on an absurd bail reform belief that has almost nothing to do with congress, and nobody seemed to notice except the voters here and fox. Although bail reform got little coverage nationwide on cnn and msnbc, it did on fox, and it spread like wildfire here and single-handedly flipped the house.



TL;DR - Biden actually did a decent job in his first congressional session, but few outside the left seem to notice. And fox created a bail narrative that flipped the house

Few things..

1. I agree that the right wing echo chamber is effective, and there's a portion of the population that has been radicalized in this country, more so than ever before.  
2. However, I do think it's still a small minority.  I'm not suggesting it's 1%, but used that as an illustration as to how small even the largest network's direct reach is.  
3. I don't live in NY so not sure how effective that bail reform issue was, but for every one of those, there were corresponding crazies in AZ, NV and other places that won districts that should have gone red historically (due to mid term trends plus the economy) that did not turn red because of independents being turned off from the crazies. 

For NY, I think it's probably similar to the issue VA had in 2021.  Gov Youngkin made 'parents rights' an issue and flipped some NOVA votes that moved the election in his favor.  But since then, things reverted back, as the fever on the issue broke.  People are realizing it was silly here, and since then the Democrats protected house seats and won a key state senate seat last week that expanded the D majority.  Youngkin campaigned heavily for it, and lost.  Don't despair, it may be a one time thing up there where D's have to figure out how to blunt the issue. 

That’s a good comparison to VA but I am a bit concerned it’s more significant here. Zeldins former House seat in eastern LI was actually dem for over ten years before trump appeared on the political stage. That district used to be powered by the libs in the hamptons, now it’s controlled by voters  in a “rural/exurban” region in central Suffolk county (not the glitzy hamptons and too far to be a NYC suburb). That seat appears to be solidly red for the long term. Also, In 2021, an off year, the republicans swept the local government elections. So the red trend has endured a two year election cycle so far, and eight years on the east end.

I thought all those fuckers moved to Florida already. 

A lot of union cops and firefighters (ironically working in nyc boroughs although not considered a true suburb) who are married to LI teachers. Many in the trades also. Essentially the epicenter for voters Dems have lost touch with last ten years or so. Dems lost  ground with teachers here also with the pandemic wars, similar to what is now playing in our virus thread.

There is a cultural shift happening with the parties.  This is normal in US politics, as it happened in the 50-70's with the Southern Strategy and it's happening again. Republicans were able to hold onto the business vote due to their tax policies for a number of years.  But the new dividing line in politics is education level.  For years it was rural vs urban, then it was north vs south, but now it's education.  There's really no stopping it. You're going to see seats in NY go to red, but also see more seats in Dallas, Houston, Atlanta go blue.  

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