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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South PhillyPosts: 11,679
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.
    The fact that anyone can come out of this and put any of this on anyone but the President is absolutely comical.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 19,859
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.

    Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping? 
    I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,555
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.
    Dems passed a budget bill in the House.  House controls the purse strings. 

    The wall is an issue to be negotiated separately.  It is not a budget issue.  

    This is 100% on the Republicans in the Senate and the Russian Agent in the White House
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 8,671
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.

    Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping? 
    I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?
    Because tRump is just being a douche in order to keep a campaign promise...except the promise was that MEXICO WOULD PAY FOR THE WALL.  Why should the dems agree to add $6B for a "wall" when the border experts don't want a wall?
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 12,572
    Yeah there is no way the shutdown is on anyone but Trump.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,138
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.

    Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping? 


    And why compromise? Team Trump Treason has many options. Options? Yea, options. "Hey Vinnie, I needs a favor, you know, I want to exercise my options, you hear me? I'm a wanna get my wall, using the option, got it Vinnie? Make it happen. Use the option."

    And what do the American people get with a "down payment?" How big is the down payment? 20% like a real estate investment property? 10%, like with good credit? 5%, like a first time wall buyer? And what about the previous $1.8BB that has been appropriated but not a dollar spent? What about that money? Is it for decorating expenses? And Mexico? What about Mexico? How much are they paying? SUCKERS.

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  • OnWis97 said:
    Flights halted at LaGuardia.  This is the issue that's gonna rile up the People That Matter and start a path toward ending the shutdown.

    https://www.wcvb.com/article/faa-halts-flights-citing-staffing-issues/26037869



    The tipping point. When is it? I know f**kface thinks the grocery stores will greet the federal employees with salutations and run a tab for their purchases until they start getting paid (what a f**king idiot)... but things have got to be getting very hostile at ground level.

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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 10,365
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.

    Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping? 
    I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?
    There isn't "already a wall in place", there are sections of barrier, with variable and questionable efficacy. "The Wall", as Trump's concept, is very different, with major implications in many areas, not least of all environmental. I don't understand why you don't understand this. 
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 11,439
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.

    Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping? 
    I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?
    There isn't "already a wall in place", there are sections of barrier, with variable and questionable efficacy. "The Wall", as Trump's concept, is very different, with major implications in many areas, not least of all environmental. I don't understand why you don't understand this. 
    And it's estimated that "The Wall" as Trump envisions it would cost like $25 billion dollars. 
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South PhillyPosts: 11,679
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.

    Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping? 
    I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?
    There isn't "already a wall in place", there are sections of barrier, with variable and questionable efficacy. "The Wall", as Trump's concept, is very different, with major implications in many areas, not least of all environmental. I don't understand why you don't understand this. 
    This is one of the best pieces out there: https://medium.com/s/story/what-happened-when-a-trump-supporter-challenged-me-about-the-wall-e54e86a5edd1?fbclid=IwAR10z7AoIgRS9NVs7XE-PW9Widz1zZT7ScGQB0YjWcQoV8Bj6-qXotz88Fs

    "10. Trump’s $5 billion is a laughable drop in the bucket for what would actually be needed. For example, according to the Cato Institute: An estimate for a border wall area that only covered 700 miles was originally $1.2 billion. How much did it cost in reality? $7 billion. And that’s only for 700 miles. Whatever we think it’s going to cost, experience shows us we must multiply it by more than 500 percent."
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,138
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.

    Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping? 
    I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?
    There isn't "already a wall in place", there are sections of barrier, with variable and questionable efficacy. "The Wall", as Trump's concept, is very different, with major implications in many areas, not least of all environmental. I don't understand why you don't understand this. 

    And don't forget the Team Trump Treason Justice Department going to court, during the shut down, to file land seizure claims via eminent domain. How American. That'll appeal to the libertarian indies in 2020. Brilliant, brilliance in all its brilliancy.
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South PhillyPosts: 11,679
    The fact of the matter is that everyone, oh and I mean everyone, knows that The Wall is nothing more than Trump's campaign promise to his base. No one else really gives a flying fuck one way or another. So say The Dems "compromise" and gives fuckface $5.7B and gets 570 miles of fence/wall/dildos for a country border that is 1,954 miles. People don't want to wake up that the whole thing is a fucking charade. 

    No one to blame but the fuckface in office.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,710
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.

    Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping? 
    I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?
    Here's the thing.. Trump has offered NOTHING of value for the wall.  The 3 year DACA extension is worthless.  It's only 18 months in the real world, tops, and it would just be another political football should he win re-election.  Temp extension for a permanent wall is not a deal.  Now if Trump offered green cards or actual citizenship, well then that would be something.  
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South PhillyPosts: 11,679
    And the greatest hypocrisy by the Hard R's is clutching their pearls to the ideals of fiscal conservatism when there couldn't be a greater waste of money (to go along with the handling of the budget, which the debt is on track to hit $1T - with a T! - for the first time since 2012, and at least then we had the excuse of the worst economic downturn in the country's history since the Great Depression. Inexplicably, this time we don't have the luxury of that excuse.....but politics! Blame on both sides!").
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 10,365
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.

    Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping? 
    I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?
    There isn't "already a wall in place", there are sections of barrier, with variable and questionable efficacy. "The Wall", as Trump's concept, is very different, with major implications in many areas, not least of all environmental. I don't understand why you don't understand this. 

    And don't forget the Team Trump Treason Justice Department going to court, during the shut down, to file land seizure claims via eminent domain. How American. That'll appeal to the libertarian indies in 2020. Brilliant, brilliance in all its brilliancy.

    It seems that, generally, people and communities actually on the border don't want the wall. Their elected representatives don't want the wall. Land seizure is but one of the many items on the list they don't like about a wall that's unnecessary and damaging. 
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,555
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.

    Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping? 
    I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?
    Where did the cost come from?  tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor.  That was it.

    Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration.  Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Did not consult actual engineers.  Did not take into consideration ongoing costs.  Did not consider affects on the environment.  Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land.  None of these costs were taken into consideration.

    Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?  
    • Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
    • Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
    • As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
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    Page 1000.. holy crap.  
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,138
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.

    Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping? 
    I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?
    Where did the cost come from?  tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor.  That was it.

    Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration.  Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Did not consult actual engineers.  Did not take into consideration ongoing costs.  Did not consider affects on the environment.  Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land.  None of these costs were taken into consideration.

    Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?  
    • Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
    • Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
    • As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).

    Oh, that pesky reality again. Team Trump Treason doesn't deal in reality. He lies 15 times a day, every day. He can't be trusted, see: ritz, putin on the. But yea, both sides suck. Please.
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    AND for those us who may not have taken a goddamn civics test recently - again, to blame anyone but the R's and fuckface is ab.so.lutely comical: if fuckface wants to veto the bill the House can come figure out this shit without his "Wall". R's are on record saying they don't give a shit about the wall. There surely is compromise to be had here, and none of it includes a wall.

    Guy pulls DACA, then pivots to the extremes, then wonders how we can help those who are "marginalized"/innocent. Boy, are we a dumb fucking country. We deserve this.
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,842
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.

    Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping? 
    I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?
    Where did the cost come from?  tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor.  That was it.

    Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration.  Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Did not consult actual engineers.  Did not take into consideration ongoing costs.  Did not consider affects on the environment.  Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land.  None of these costs were taken into consideration.

    Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?  
    • Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
    • Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
    • As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
    Yeah.  It would be irresponsible, fiscally and in many other ways, to just fork over billions for a wall because Trump's been playing hardball since the Dems took the House.  There are times when both sides do in fact suck.  This is not one of those times.  
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,842
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.

    Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping? 
    I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?
    Where did the cost come from?  tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor.  That was it.

    Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration.  Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Did not consult actual engineers.  Did not take into consideration ongoing costs.  Did not consider affects on the environment.  Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land.  None of these costs were taken into consideration.

    Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?  
    • Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
    • Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
    • As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).

    Oh, that pesky reality again. Team Trump Treason doesn't deal in reality. He lies 15 times a day, every day. He can't be trusted, see: ritz, putin on the. But yea, both sides suck. Please.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 19,859
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.

    Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping? 
    I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?
    Where did the cost come from?  tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor.  That was it.

    Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration.  Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Did not consult actual engineers.  Did not take into consideration ongoing costs.  Did not consider affects on the environment.  Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land.  None of these costs were taken into consideration.

    Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?  
    • Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
    • Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
    • As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
    I'm not debating any of that, I'm just trying to think of ways this shutdown can end.  Trump is 100% to blame but If both sides aren't going to budge on their positions then what the hell is going to happen?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,710
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.

    Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping? 
    I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?
    Where did the cost come from?  tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor.  That was it.

    Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration.  Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Did not consult actual engineers.  Did not take into consideration ongoing costs.  Did not consider affects on the environment.  Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land.  None of these costs were taken into consideration.

    Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?  
    • Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
    • Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
    • As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
    I'm not debating any of that, I'm just trying to think of ways this shutdown can end.  Trump is 100% to blame but If both sides aren't going to budge on their positions then what the hell is going to happen?
    He's going to declare an emergency and take the funds from that.  Democrats will sue using the Truman case as precedent.  There will be a stay for a year, no wall will be built.  Eventually the case will be decided likely for the Democrats (the House, specifically) as they have the power of appropriations.  That's been my prediction from day one of the shutdown.  I still think that's the likely outcome. 
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South PhillyPosts: 11,679
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.

    Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping? 
    I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?
    Where did the cost come from?  tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor.  That was it.

    Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration.  Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Did not consult actual engineers.  Did not take into consideration ongoing costs.  Did not consider affects on the environment.  Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land.  None of these costs were taken into consideration.

    Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?  
    • Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
    • Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
    • As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
    I'm not debating any of that, I'm just trying to think of ways this shutdown can end.  Trump is 100% to blame but If both sides aren't going to budge on their positions then what the hell is going to happen?
    He's going to declare an emergency and take the funds from that.  Democrats will sue using the Truman case as precedent.  There will be a stay for a year, no wall will be built.  Eventually the case will be decided likely for the Democrats (the House, specifically) as they have the power of appropriations.  That's been my prediction from day one of the shutdown.  I still think that's the likely outcome. 
    Let's not forget that the R's want shutdown of the government. It's Grover Norquist's Wet Dream.

    And, again, as I stated above - this can be resolved without President Fuck-O.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 19,859
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.

    Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping? 
    I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?
    Where did the cost come from?  tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor.  That was it.

    Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration.  Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Did not consult actual engineers.  Did not take into consideration ongoing costs.  Did not consider affects on the environment.  Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land.  None of these costs were taken into consideration.

    Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?  
    • Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
    • Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
    • As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
    I'm not debating any of that, I'm just trying to think of ways this shutdown can end.  Trump is 100% to blame but If both sides aren't going to budge on their positions then what the hell is going to happen?
    He's going to declare an emergency and take the funds from that.  Democrats will sue using the Truman case as precedent.  There will be a stay for a year, no wall will be built.  Eventually the case will be decided likely for the Democrats (the House, specifically) as they have the power of appropriations.  That's been my prediction from day one of the shutdown.  I still think that's the likely outcome. 
    I can definitely see your scenario playing out like that.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,710
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.

    Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping? 
    I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?
    Where did the cost come from?  tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor.  That was it.

    Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration.  Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Did not consult actual engineers.  Did not take into consideration ongoing costs.  Did not consider affects on the environment.  Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land.  None of these costs were taken into consideration.

    Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?  
    • Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
    • Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
    • As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
    I'm not debating any of that, I'm just trying to think of ways this shutdown can end.  Trump is 100% to blame but If both sides aren't going to budge on their positions then what the hell is going to happen?
    He's going to declare an emergency and take the funds from that.  Democrats will sue using the Truman case as precedent.  There will be a stay for a year, no wall will be built.  Eventually the case will be decided likely for the Democrats (the House, specifically) as they have the power of appropriations.  That's been my prediction from day one of the shutdown.  I still think that's the likely outcome. 
    Let's not forget that the R's want shutdown of the government. It's Grover Norquist's Wet Dream.

    And, again, as I stated above - this can be resolved without President Fuck-O.
    Yes, that's the other possibility, a handful more Senators defect to make it veto proof.  It's a good point.  Senators not up for primary in 2020 may be inclined to do so.  Trump may even signal that he won't call them out if they do.  This would give him a way to save face to his base as well.  
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,842
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.

    Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping? 
    I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?
    Where did the cost come from?  tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor.  That was it.

    Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration.  Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Did not consult actual engineers.  Did not take into consideration ongoing costs.  Did not consider affects on the environment.  Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land.  None of these costs were taken into consideration.

    Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?  
    • Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
    • Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
    • As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
    I'm not debating any of that, I'm just trying to think of ways this shutdown can end.  Trump is 100% to blame but If both sides aren't going to budge on their positions then what the hell is going to happen?
    What's the "budge" for the Dems?  Not trying to be a smart-ass...but is there a budge beside "give Trump what he wants?"
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,138
    OnWis97 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.

    Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping? 
    I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?
    Where did the cost come from?  tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor.  That was it.

    Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration.  Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Did not consult actual engineers.  Did not take into consideration ongoing costs.  Did not consider affects on the environment.  Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land.  None of these costs were taken into consideration.

    Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?  
    • Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
    • Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
    • As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
    I'm not debating any of that, I'm just trying to think of ways this shutdown can end.  Trump is 100% to blame but If both sides aren't going to budge on their positions then what the hell is going to happen?
    What's the "budge" for the Dems?  Not trying to be a smart-ass...but is there a budge beside "give Trump what he wants?"
    $1.8BB has already been appropriated and not a penny has been spent. How about spending that and issuing a GAO report that explains to the American people what they got for their down payment? Team Trump Treason hasn’t a fucking clue.
     
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 19,859
    OnWis97 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Question:

    Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?

    I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people.  I don't see it any other way.

    No compromising.

    Really?

    The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
    It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit.  Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past.  That's the thing that pisses me off.  Politics suck.

    Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping? 
    I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?
    Where did the cost come from?  tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor.  That was it.

    Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration.  Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Did not consult actual engineers.  Did not take into consideration ongoing costs.  Did not consider affects on the environment.  Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land.  None of these costs were taken into consideration.

    Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.

    Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?  
    • Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
    • Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
    • As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
    I'm not debating any of that, I'm just trying to think of ways this shutdown can end.  Trump is 100% to blame but If both sides aren't going to budge on their positions then what the hell is going to happen?
    What's the "budge" for the Dems?  Not trying to be a smart-ass...but is there a budge beside "give Trump what he wants?"
    I don't know, instead of 5.1 billion give him 2 billion.  Meet somewhere in the middle so government can open back up.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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