Hillary won more votes for President

mrussel1 · October 2016

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Degeneratefk said:
I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.

Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?

Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.

JC29856 · October 2016

Trump favorability rating:

Favorable 30
Unfavorable 63
NET: -33

—NBC/WSJ poll Oct. 8-10
*the polling company that administered this poll has received more than $350,000 from Hillary Clinton political action committees from 7/16 thru 9/16

PJ_Soul · October 2016

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Degeneratefk said:
I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.

Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?

Well in Canada, there are 2 leader debates during the lead up to the elections, one in English and one in French. The leaders who are allowed to debate are the ones who lead a party that is represented in the House of Commons (meaning they have to represent at least one riding in the country). Of course the inclusion or non-inclusion of various parties is controversial here too, although there are always at least 4 parties represented (the 3 major ones + the Bloc Quebecois), as well as the Green Party if they managed to win a seat in the previous election. The reason there aren't more debates is because our system doesn't set out to torture the citizens for months on end. The last election in 2015 was deemed the longest election campaign period in Canadian history I believe.... it was less than 3 months long.

The parties themselves choose their leaders with an internal vote, so we don't have to fuck around with the primaries. And no waiting after the election. Whoever wins steps into office immediately. Also, PMs don't have vice-PMs, so we don't have to dick around with vice-PM debates or consider a second person on a ticket.

JC29856 · October 2016

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Degeneratefk said:
I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.

Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.

The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?
Yakoff Smirnoff

mrussel1 · October 2016

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Degeneratefk said:
I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.

Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?
Yakoff Smirnoff

There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.

dignin · October 2016

JC29856 said:
Trump favorability rating:

Favorable 30
Unfavorable 63
NET: -33

—NBC/WSJ poll Oct. 8-10
*the polling company that administered this poll has received more than $350,000 from Hillary Clinton political action committees from 7/16 thru 9/16

I need to get into the polling business.

HughFreakingDillon · October 2016

PJ_Soul said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Degeneratefk said:
I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.

Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?
Well in Canada, there are 2 leader debates during the lead up to the elections, one in English and one in French. The leaders who are allowed to debate are the ones who lead a party that is represented in the House of Commons (meaning they have to represent at least one riding in the country). Of course the inclusion or non-inclusion of various parties is controversial here too, although there are always at least 4 parties represented (the 3 major ones + the Bloc Quebecois), as well as the Green Party if they managed to win a seat in the previous election. The reason there aren't more debates is because our system doesn't set out to torture the citizens for months on end. The last election in 2015 was deemed the longest election campaign period in Canadian history I believe.... it was less than 3 months long. The parties themselves choose their leaders with an internal vote, so we don't have to fuck around with the primaries. And no waiting after the election. Whoever wins steps into office immediately. Also, PMs don't have vice-PMs, so we don't have to dick around with vice-PM debates or consider a second person on a ticket.

the US would be so much better off if it took 1/10th of the time to pick a damn leader.

JC29856 · October 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

tonifig8 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tonifig8 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:
Hillary and Bill are a team. Whatever Bill did she was fine with it.
Really? How do you know that? Source? I honestly have no idea what her real feelings are about Bill, what the deal is with their relationship, or what she thinks he did or didn't do. And frankly, I don't really care. I don't feel like it has an impact on her ability (or lackthereof) to be POTUS. Now of evidence came along telling us that she actively supported him raping someone or actively knows about it and doesn't care, that would be meaningful. But I have seen no evidence of that. Have you?
Well, I choose to believe the woman that accused Bill of assault, including the one Bill paid off in a settlement. I believe the victims' accounts that Hillary pressured them to not say anything. When Bill is caught having sex with an intern it isn't unrealistic to believe all the other stories. Hillary decided it was okay to stay with Bill and have her daughter continue to live in the same house (White House) where her dad was banging interns a few rooms away. If that doesn't say something about her character than I don't know what else to tell you. It is a political marriage. Ends justify the means.
Does Clinton's stealing $37k worth of white house furniture and wall decor speak to character? They actually stole more then returned most later.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/01/viral-image/viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/
Reading this whole thing, looks like there was no mal-intent at all. Funny that you use the verb 'stole' while Politifact specifically repudiated the use of that word.
Your doing it again!
no he's not. I read the article too, and was surprised at your mini-summary before the link. it wasn't accurate at all.
Question wasn't posed to him?

So your saying Clinton's didn't leave with stuff that weren't theirs? Okay I'll correct it...Clinton's borrowed some stuff from the white house, some they returned some they are still b borrowing.
If you want a personal Q&A or to quiz people, send them a PM.
How about if I wanted your input I'll ask with your quoted text, as I have done in the past.
I think you're starting to get under the skin of certain individuals. The details of the discussions are starting to get real and you're proving basic points, which doesn't appear to sit well with some.

Moderator friendly and informative. Those voters who are the fence should read what JC is posting.
telling people they shouldn't address a point unless spoken to first on a public message board is ludicrous. everyone needs to stop with the "getting under their skin" bullshit. it's weak. if people around here think that some of us turn off our computers in a rage and run down the street yelling "I HATE AMT!" you are out of your collective minds.

I highly doubt that people in the highest office in the land with that much money intended to steal anything that wasn't theirs. I'd say the same for obama, the bush family, the reagans, trump, everyone. it's ridiculous.
Weren't they flat broke when they left? Isn't that what Hillary stated, sorry I don't remember.

My comment was directed at JC - it was a general comment based on all of the work he's been putting in. The comment I made was inspired by russ's reply comment to JC's. It gets complicated, but ultimately JC is posting some excellent points with detailed evidence. I'm simply expressing my support. It's informative and goes a long ways.

The article regarding the Clinton's taking items from the white house was much to do about nothing. They took items they weren't suppose to- Some they returned, some they paid back, some they kept, some the white house sent back... . JC's point was that the CLinton's continue to demonstrate this odd behavior/characteristic that seems shady. Not a big deal, but it does support that shadiness behavior.

If you took items from a furnished apartment you were leasing what would happen?
but that's not what they did. they took stuff they were gifted while leasing that "apartment". they didn't realize at the time the gifts were for the house, not the occupants (apparently, I won't claim to know their intentions).

I just think people are using jaywalking to prove murder.

I accept defeat as to the stealing of furniture, I should not have linked the impartial potifact article to promote my agenda. I have since moved on to Lincoln's room to further my agenda.

Clinton's were way ahead of there time with airbnb.

JC29856 · October 2016

dignin said:

JC29856 said:
Trump favorability rating:

Favorable 30
Unfavorable 63
NET: -33

—NBC/WSJ poll Oct. 8-10
*the polling company that administered this poll has received more than $350,000 from Hillary Clinton political action committees from 7/16 thru 9/16
I need to get into the polling business.

Nice coin and you only have to get illegals to work for $10 per hour every 4 years! It's like an every four year tax accountant! PM me we can set this up.
Cha ching!

PJ_Soul · October 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Degeneratefk said:
I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.

Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?
Well in Canada, there are 2 leader debates during the lead up to the elections, one in English and one in French. The leaders who are allowed to debate are the ones who lead a party that is represented in the House of Commons (meaning they have to represent at least one riding in the country). Of course the inclusion or non-inclusion of various parties is controversial here too, although there are always at least 4 parties represented (the 3 major ones + the Bloc Quebecois), as well as the Green Party if they managed to win a seat in the previous election. The reason there aren't more debates is because our system doesn't set out to torture the citizens for months on end. The last election in 2015 was deemed the longest election campaign period in Canadian history I believe.... it was less than 3 months long. The parties themselves choose their leaders with an internal vote, so we don't have to fuck around with the primaries. And no waiting after the election. Whoever wins steps into office immediately. Also, PMs don't have vice-PMs, so we don't have to dick around with vice-PM debates or consider a second person on a ticket.
the US would be so much better off if it took 1/10th of the time to pick a damn leader.

Absolutely.

JC29856 · October 2016

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Degeneratefk said:
I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.

Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?
Yakoff Smirnoff
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.

In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?

JC29856 · October 2016

Registered independents and unaffiliated are shut out of primary voting!
Yakoff Smirnoff

CM189191 · October 2016

Hey, remember when Trump just straight up refused to attend a debate? Sad!

mrussel1 · October 2016

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Degeneratefk said:
I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.

Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?
Yakoff Smirnoff
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?

Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.

CM189191 · October 2016

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Degeneratefk said:
I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.

Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?
Yakoff Smirnoff
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.

Why not?

PJ_Soul · October 2016

CM189191 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Degeneratefk said:
I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.

Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?
Yakoff Smirnoff
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.
Why not?

Yeah, I'd say that would be a really good thing for people to be able to do, if the US continues to insist that primaries even happen at all.

JC29856 · October 2016

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Degeneratefk said:
I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.

Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?
Yakoff Smirnoff
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.

42% of registered Indy and Unaff voters, what say you?

mrussel1 · October 2016

CM189191 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Degeneratefk said:
I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.

Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?
Yakoff Smirnoff
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.
Why not?

Because that would leave it open for dirty tricks. Democrats would vote for the person they see as the easier target on the GOP side and vice versa. It would get ugly in a hurry. It happened here in Virginia in my district. Eric Cantor was our congressman (douchy). No Democrat has a chance here so there was no primary run. So Dems crossed over and voted for Dave Bratt, thinking we had a better chance at him. Bratt beat Cantor and then beat our guy. Now we're stuck with chief tea partier vs. chief douche. But anyway, this would absolutely happen if you could vote in both.

JC29856 · October 2016

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Degeneratefk said:
I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.

Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?
Yakoff Smirnoff
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.
42% of registered Indy and Unaff voters, what say you?

Anyone? This one is open to anyone, ignore my nonsense about specific questions only to those asked.

jeffbr · October 2016

CM189191 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Degeneratefk said:
I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.

Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?
Yakoff Smirnoff
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.
Why not?

The primary exists for party members to select their nominee. Why would a party want others playing a role in that? It isn't meant to be a general election for all registered voters.

Sometimes, primaries mean jack shit to the parties (see Washington State Democratic primary), and it is just a formality or an appeasement to voters who think they have a voice, since the actual selection of their delegates takes place at the caucuses.

Hillary won more votes for President

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