Hillary won more votes for President

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    tonifig8 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    rgambs said:

    JC29856 said:

    rgambs said:

    JC29856 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    JC29856 said:

    JC29856 said:

    Hart research poll received $391k from priorities usa pac July thru Sept just happens to be the poll used by nbc wsj. This can't be. Clinton pacs giving money to pollsters? Any debunkers out there, I can't find much.
    Guy named Geoffrey Garin comes up.

    Again surprised to learn that polling data used by nbc and wsj came from polling firm that was paid $391k from Clinton pac.
    Aren't you suggesting that there would be a bias though? Or just surprised?
    Not that there would be but there could be, that's why it's important to not only be imperial in fact but also in appearance.
    Did you think/know the polls used by nbc wsj came from firms taking huge sums $ from political pacs?
    I assumed so, and it goes the same way from the other side.
    Nothing new, no revelation.
    I've seen this from the other side written before, what's that mean, from the other side?
    The Republicans, obviously.
    Which republican pac funds polling firms that are used by either nbc wash post polls and nbc news polls?
    Give me a break. What a narrow question. This polling firm has a heavily left client base. Duh. Look at the clients.

    Do you think that 'independent' polling companies spring up every four years like a Halloween store and then shut down until the next campaign? Fine, ignore the poll. Pretend that Trump is winning. Knock yourself out. FYI, The Atlantic/RRI poll out this morning also has her up 11.
    I didn't think it was such a bad question.

    As to your other distortions and distractions, I've already said Trump is a bafoon and a pig and that Hilliary will be next president.
    Facts and information is what you define as distortions and distractions. I'm sorry that I won't play into strawmen, false hypotheticals and equivalencies, etc. Your question was basically are there any GOP Super pacs this same polling firm. The answer is, how the fuck do I know their entire client base? I can only see what's on their website. There are some GOP elected officials on there, but for advocacy, it's generally D's.
    My question wasn't basically it was simply:
    Which republican pac funds polling firms that are used by either nbc wash post polls and nbc news polls? I meant to type cbs not nbc.
    I never asked:about anyone's entire client base.
    Total misunderstanding...we can move on.
    I wonder why some of the clintonites (so-called progressives) can't stand up against wrong doing. I wonder why they can't be critical of Clinton as they are with those who challenge her. I'm certain that if the shoe was on the other foot they'd be coming up with some magnificent attacks towards this wrongful behavior that Clinton has demonstrated.
    I'm really starting to wonder if some folks around here are employed by Clinton pACS because some of this evidence is exactly the crap they've been fighting against (as progressives). Now they seem to have an excuse and justification for those actions
    If this comment is in regards to the SuperPac and the polling company, then it's just a fundamental misunderstanding of B2B work and why you hire experts to do work that you cannot do.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    PJ_Soul said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Hillary and Bill are a team. Whatever Bill did she was fine with it.

    Really? How do you know that? Source? I honestly have no idea what her real feelings are about Bill, what the deal is with their relationship, or what she thinks he did or didn't do. And frankly, I don't really care. I don't feel like it has an impact on her ability (or lackthereof) to be POTUS. Now of evidence came along telling us that she actively supported him raping someone or actively knows about it and doesn't care, that would be meaningful. But I have seen no evidence of that. Have you?
    Well, I choose to believe the woman that accused Bill of assault, including the one Bill paid off in a settlement. I believe the victims' accounts that Hillary pressured them to not say anything. When Bill is caught having sex with an intern it isn't unrealistic to believe all the other stories. Hillary decided it was okay to stay with Bill and have her daughter continue to live in the same house (White House) where her dad was banging interns a few rooms away. If that doesn't say something about her character than I don't know what else to tell you. It is a political marriage. Ends justify the means.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    bootlegger10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Hillary and Bill are a team. Whatever Bill did she was fine with it.

    Really? How do you know that? Source? I honestly have no idea what her real feelings are about Bill, what the deal is with their relationship, or what she thinks he did or didn't do. And frankly, I don't really care. I don't feel like it has an impact on her ability (or lackthereof) to be POTUS. Now of evidence came along telling us that she actively supported him raping someone or actively knows about it and doesn't care, that would be meaningful. But I have seen no evidence of that. Have you?
    Well, I choose to believe the woman that accused Bill of assault, including the one Bill paid off in a settlement. I believe the victims' accounts that Hillary pressured them to not say anything. When Bill is caught having sex with an intern it isn't unrealistic to believe all the other stories. Hillary decided it was okay to stay with Bill and have her daughter continue to live in the same house (White House) where her dad was banging interns a few rooms away. If that doesn't say something about her character than I don't know what else to tell you. It is a political marriage. Ends justify the means.
    Does Clinton's stealing $37k worth of white house furniture and wall decor speak to character? They actually stole more then returned most later.

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/01/viral-image/viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    JC29856 said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Hillary and Bill are a team. Whatever Bill did she was fine with it.

    Really? How do you know that? Source? I honestly have no idea what her real feelings are about Bill, what the deal is with their relationship, or what she thinks he did or didn't do. And frankly, I don't really care. I don't feel like it has an impact on her ability (or lackthereof) to be POTUS. Now of evidence came along telling us that she actively supported him raping someone or actively knows about it and doesn't care, that would be meaningful. But I have seen no evidence of that. Have you?
    Well, I choose to believe the woman that accused Bill of assault, including the one Bill paid off in a settlement. I believe the victims' accounts that Hillary pressured them to not say anything. When Bill is caught having sex with an intern it isn't unrealistic to believe all the other stories. Hillary decided it was okay to stay with Bill and have her daughter continue to live in the same house (White House) where her dad was banging interns a few rooms away. If that doesn't say something about her character than I don't know what else to tell you. It is a political marriage. Ends justify the means.
    Does Clinton's stealing $37k worth of white house furniture and wall decor speak to character? They actually stole more then returned most later.

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/01/viral-image/viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/
    Reading this whole thing, looks like there was no mal-intent at all. Funny that you use the verb 'stole' while Politifact specifically repudiated the use of that word.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Hillary and Bill are a team. Whatever Bill did she was fine with it.

    Really? How do you know that? Source? I honestly have no idea what her real feelings are about Bill, what the deal is with their relationship, or what she thinks he did or didn't do. And frankly, I don't really care. I don't feel like it has an impact on her ability (or lackthereof) to be POTUS. Now of evidence came along telling us that she actively supported him raping someone or actively knows about it and doesn't care, that would be meaningful. But I have seen no evidence of that. Have you?
    Well, I choose to believe the woman that accused Bill of assault, including the one Bill paid off in a settlement. I believe the victims' accounts that Hillary pressured them to not say anything. When Bill is caught having sex with an intern it isn't unrealistic to believe all the other stories. Hillary decided it was okay to stay with Bill and have her daughter continue to live in the same house (White House) where her dad was banging interns a few rooms away. If that doesn't say something about her character than I don't know what else to tell you. It is a political marriage. Ends justify the means.
    Does Clinton's stealing $37k worth of white house furniture and wall decor speak to character? They actually stole more then returned most later.

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/01/viral-image/viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/
    Reading this whole thing, looks like there was no mal-intent at all. Funny that you use the verb 'stole' while Politifact specifically repudiated the use of that word.
    Your doing it again!
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Hillary and Bill are a team. Whatever Bill did she was fine with it.

    Really? How do you know that? Source? I honestly have no idea what her real feelings are about Bill, what the deal is with their relationship, or what she thinks he did or didn't do. And frankly, I don't really care. I don't feel like it has an impact on her ability (or lackthereof) to be POTUS. Now of evidence came along telling us that she actively supported him raping someone or actively knows about it and doesn't care, that would be meaningful. But I have seen no evidence of that. Have you?
    Well, I choose to believe the woman that accused Bill of assault, including the one Bill paid off in a settlement. I believe the victims' accounts that Hillary pressured them to not say anything. When Bill is caught having sex with an intern it isn't unrealistic to believe all the other stories. Hillary decided it was okay to stay with Bill and have her daughter continue to live in the same house (White House) where her dad was banging interns a few rooms away. If that doesn't say something about her character than I don't know what else to tell you. It is a political marriage. Ends justify the means.
    Does Clinton's stealing $37k worth of white house furniture and wall decor speak to character? They actually stole more then returned most later.

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/01/viral-image/viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/
    Reading this whole thing, looks like there was no mal-intent at all. Funny that you use the verb 'stole' while Politifact specifically repudiated the use of that word.
    Your doing it again!
    no he's not. I read the article too, and was surprised at your mini-summary before the link. it wasn't accurate at all.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    edited October 2016
    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Hillary and Bill are a team. Whatever Bill did she was fine with it.

    Really? How do you know that? Source? I honestly have no idea what her real feelings are about Bill, what the deal is with their relationship, or what she thinks he did or didn't do. And frankly, I don't really care. I don't feel like it has an impact on her ability (or lackthereof) to be POTUS. Now of evidence came along telling us that she actively supported him raping someone or actively knows about it and doesn't care, that would be meaningful. But I have seen no evidence of that. Have you?
    Well, I choose to believe the woman that accused Bill of assault, including the one Bill paid off in a settlement. I believe the victims' accounts that Hillary pressured them to not say anything. When Bill is caught having sex with an intern it isn't unrealistic to believe all the other stories. Hillary decided it was okay to stay with Bill and have her daughter continue to live in the same house (White House) where her dad was banging interns a few rooms away. If that doesn't say something about her character than I don't know what else to tell you. It is a political marriage. Ends justify the means.
    Does Clinton's stealing $37k worth of white house furniture and wall decor speak to character? They actually stole more then returned most later.

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/01/viral-image/viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/
    Reading this whole thing, looks like there was no mal-intent at all. Funny that you use the verb 'stole' while Politifact specifically repudiated the use of that word.
    Your doing it again!
    No, actually you are doing it. You levy accusations and either don't read or totally ignore all of the context, details, repudiations and facts that are part of the case. You come to the most simple conclusions. Politifact rated the entire thing as mostly false. The one piece you pull out, the Clintons returned after the donor said it was for the WH, not for them.

    What you call 'distract and distort', anyone else would call "counter-arguments" that deal with the facts of the case, as we have in front of them. Sorry I don't just fucking accept your conclusions.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,422
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Hillary and Bill are a team. Whatever Bill did she was fine with it.

    Really? How do you know that? Source? I honestly have no idea what her real feelings are about Bill, what the deal is with their relationship, or what she thinks he did or didn't do. And frankly, I don't really care. I don't feel like it has an impact on her ability (or lackthereof) to be POTUS. Now of evidence came along telling us that she actively supported him raping someone or actively knows about it and doesn't care, that would be meaningful. But I have seen no evidence of that. Have you?
    Well, I choose to believe the woman that accused Bill of assault, including the one Bill paid off in a settlement. I believe the victims' accounts that Hillary pressured them to not say anything. When Bill is caught having sex with an intern it isn't unrealistic to believe all the other stories. Hillary decided it was okay to stay with Bill and have her daughter continue to live in the same house (White House) where her dad was banging interns a few rooms away. If that doesn't say something about her character than I don't know what else to tell you. It is a political marriage. Ends justify the means.
    Does Clinton's stealing $37k worth of white house furniture and wall decor speak to character? They actually stole more then returned most later.

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/01/viral-image/viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/
    Reading this whole thing, looks like there was no mal-intent at all. Funny that you use the verb 'stole' while Politifact specifically repudiated the use of that word.
    Your doing it again!
    no he's not. I read the article too, and was surprised at your mini-summary before the link. it wasn't accurate at all.
    That's the way this stuff works.
    You see the link, click on it, read the article, and understand what it is saying and meaning.

    The opposing side sees the link, clicks on it, reads the article, and understands that kittens are soft and cuddly.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited October 2016
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Hillary and Bill are a team. Whatever Bill did she was fine with it.

    Really? How do you know that? Source? I honestly have no idea what her real feelings are about Bill, what the deal is with their relationship, or what she thinks he did or didn't do. And frankly, I don't really care. I don't feel like it has an impact on her ability (or lackthereof) to be POTUS. Now of evidence came along telling us that she actively supported him raping someone or actively knows about it and doesn't care, that would be meaningful. But I have seen no evidence of that. Have you?
    Well, I choose to believe the woman that accused Bill of assault, including the one Bill paid off in a settlement. I believe the victims' accounts that Hillary pressured them to not say anything. When Bill is caught having sex with an intern it isn't unrealistic to believe all the other stories. Hillary decided it was okay to stay with Bill and have her daughter continue to live in the same house (White House) where her dad was banging interns a few rooms away. If that doesn't say something about her character than I don't know what else to tell you. It is a political marriage. Ends justify the means.
    Does Clinton's stealing $37k worth of white house furniture and wall decor speak to character? They actually stole more then returned most later.

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/01/viral-image/viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/
    Reading this whole thing, looks like there was no mal-intent at all. Funny that you use the verb 'stole' while Politifact specifically repudiated the use of that word.
    Your doing it again!
    no he's not. I read the article too, and was surprised at your mini-summary before the link. it wasn't accurate at all.
    Question wasn't posed to him?

    So your saying Clinton's didn't leave with stuff that weren't theirs? Okay I'll correct it...Clinton's borrowed some stuff from the white house, some they returned some they are still b borrowing.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    JC29856 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Hillary and Bill are a team. Whatever Bill did she was fine with it.

    Really? How do you know that? Source? I honestly have no idea what her real feelings are about Bill, what the deal is with their relationship, or what she thinks he did or didn't do. And frankly, I don't really care. I don't feel like it has an impact on her ability (or lackthereof) to be POTUS. Now of evidence came along telling us that she actively supported him raping someone or actively knows about it and doesn't care, that would be meaningful. But I have seen no evidence of that. Have you?
    Well, I choose to believe the woman that accused Bill of assault, including the one Bill paid off in a settlement. I believe the victims' accounts that Hillary pressured them to not say anything. When Bill is caught having sex with an intern it isn't unrealistic to believe all the other stories. Hillary decided it was okay to stay with Bill and have her daughter continue to live in the same house (White House) where her dad was banging interns a few rooms away. If that doesn't say something about her character than I don't know what else to tell you. It is a political marriage. Ends justify the means.
    Does Clinton's stealing $37k worth of white house furniture and wall decor speak to character? They actually stole more then returned most later.

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/01/viral-image/viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/
    Reading this whole thing, looks like there was no mal-intent at all. Funny that you use the verb 'stole' while Politifact specifically repudiated the use of that word.
    Your doing it again!
    no he's not. I read the article too, and was surprised at your mini-summary before the link. it wasn't accurate at all.
    Question wasn't posed to him?

    So your saying Clinton's didn't leave with stuff that weren't theirs? Okay I'll correct it...Clinton's borrowed some stuff from the white house, some they returned some they are still b borrowing.
    If you want a personal Q&A or to quiz people, send them a PM.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Hillary and Bill are a team. Whatever Bill did she was fine with it.

    Really? How do you know that? Source? I honestly have no idea what her real feelings are about Bill, what the deal is with their relationship, or what she thinks he did or didn't do. And frankly, I don't really care. I don't feel like it has an impact on her ability (or lackthereof) to be POTUS. Now of evidence came along telling us that she actively supported him raping someone or actively knows about it and doesn't care, that would be meaningful. But I have seen no evidence of that. Have you?
    Well, I choose to believe the woman that accused Bill of assault, including the one Bill paid off in a settlement. I believe the victims' accounts that Hillary pressured them to not say anything. When Bill is caught having sex with an intern it isn't unrealistic to believe all the other stories. Hillary decided it was okay to stay with Bill and have her daughter continue to live in the same house (White House) where her dad was banging interns a few rooms away. If that doesn't say something about her character than I don't know what else to tell you. It is a political marriage. Ends justify the means.
    Does Clinton's stealing $37k worth of white house furniture and wall decor speak to character? They actually stole more then returned most later.

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/01/viral-image/viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/
    Reading this whole thing, looks like there was no mal-intent at all. Funny that you use the verb 'stole' while Politifact specifically repudiated the use of that word.
    Your doing it again!
    no he's not. I read the article too, and was surprised at your mini-summary before the link. it wasn't accurate at all.
    Question wasn't posed to him?

    So your saying Clinton's didn't leave with stuff that weren't theirs? Okay I'll correct it...Clinton's borrowed some stuff from the white house, some they returned some they are still b borrowing.
    If you want a personal Q&A or to quiz people, send them a PM.
    How about if I wanted your input I'll ask with your quoted text, as I have done in the past.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Hillary and Bill are a team. Whatever Bill did she was fine with it.

    Really? How do you know that? Source? I honestly have no idea what her real feelings are about Bill, what the deal is with their relationship, or what she thinks he did or didn't do. And frankly, I don't really care. I don't feel like it has an impact on her ability (or lackthereof) to be POTUS. Now of evidence came along telling us that she actively supported him raping someone or actively knows about it and doesn't care, that would be meaningful. But I have seen no evidence of that. Have you?
    Well, I choose to believe the woman that accused Bill of assault, including the one Bill paid off in a settlement. I believe the victims' accounts that Hillary pressured them to not say anything. When Bill is caught having sex with an intern it isn't unrealistic to believe all the other stories. Hillary decided it was okay to stay with Bill and have her daughter continue to live in the same house (White House) where her dad was banging interns a few rooms away. If that doesn't say something about her character than I don't know what else to tell you. It is a political marriage. Ends justify the means.
    Does Clinton's stealing $37k worth of white house furniture and wall decor speak to character? They actually stole more then returned most later.

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/01/viral-image/viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/
    Reading this whole thing, looks like there was no mal-intent at all. Funny that you use the verb 'stole' while Politifact specifically repudiated the use of that word.
    Your doing it again!
    no he's not. I read the article too, and was surprised at your mini-summary before the link. it wasn't accurate at all.
    Question wasn't posed to him?

    So your saying Clinton's didn't leave with stuff that weren't theirs? Okay I'll correct it...Clinton's borrowed some stuff from the white house, some they returned some they are still b borrowing.
    If you want a personal Q&A or to quiz people, send them a PM.
    How about if I wanted your input I'll ask with your quoted text, as I have done in the past.
    Sorry brother. I'll type when I want to type, to whatever quote I choose. Sorry about that.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,680
    Go Beavers said:

    CM189191 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    I know I'm being lazing here and not reading back several pages but why are we talking about Bill Clinton here? Other than of how he might influence this election or if Hillary wins how he might affect the presidency, why is Bill up on stage here?

    And I wonder about this- other than in the technical, legal sense, are Hillary and Bill even a couple any more?

    This is only slightly about Bill anymore. Hillary now has to answer for her victim shaming. This is now about her actions. The Clinton campaign opened this can of worms. Trump has to anwer for his actions and Hillary has to answer for her's.

    https://youtu.be/-C3pJ_97xlg
    You're incorrect here. Trump dropped his nuclear bomb. Done. But this is old news to everyone and has been litigated in the press 20 years ago. The tape is still the story of the day. Last night did not earn Trump one new vote.
    I didn't know rape and rape victims had a limitations statute or an expiration date.
    Imagine a rape counselor telling the victim, your rape happened 20 years ago, it's old news, move on.
    There's not in New York, where Trump raped a 13 year old. Too bad the hearing isn't scheduled until 12/16. Hopefully they are able to move the date up.
    It's a civil suit, which I belive doen't have a statute of limitations. Criminal charges have a limit in most states.
    I believe the only reason it is a civil suit is because the statute of limitations expired. If it hadn't, I think she would have tried for criminal charges.
    FWIW, I don't think that child abuse should have a statute of limitations at all.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    "Stole" maybe is a bit of hyperbole. But what bothers me is that if someone stayed in my house and took a bunch of stuff with them when they left, even if they brought the stuff back I would be highly suspect of their character. Wouldn't any of you?
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Hillary and Bill are a team. Whatever Bill did she was fine with it.

    Really? How do you know that? Source? I honestly have no idea what her real feelings are about Bill, what the deal is with their relationship, or what she thinks he did or didn't do. And frankly, I don't really care. I don't feel like it has an impact on her ability (or lackthereof) to be POTUS. Now of evidence came along telling us that she actively supported him raping someone or actively knows about it and doesn't care, that would be meaningful. But I have seen no evidence of that. Have you?
    Well, I choose to believe the woman that accused Bill of assault, including the one Bill paid off in a settlement. I believe the victims' accounts that Hillary pressured them to not say anything. When Bill is caught having sex with an intern it isn't unrealistic to believe all the other stories. Hillary decided it was okay to stay with Bill and have her daughter continue to live in the same house (White House) where her dad was banging interns a few rooms away. If that doesn't say something about her character than I don't know what else to tell you. It is a political marriage. Ends justify the means.
    Does Clinton's stealing $37k worth of white house furniture and wall decor speak to character? They actually stole more then returned most later.

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/01/viral-image/viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/
    Reading this whole thing, looks like there was no mal-intent at all. Funny that you use the verb 'stole' while Politifact specifically repudiated the use of that word.
    Your doing it again!
    no he's not. I read the article too, and was surprised at your mini-summary before the link. it wasn't accurate at all.
    Question wasn't posed to him?

    So your saying Clinton's didn't leave with stuff that weren't theirs? Okay I'll correct it...Clinton's borrowed some stuff from the white house, some they returned some they are still b borrowing.
    If you want a personal Q&A or to quiz people, send them a PM.
    How about if I wanted your input I'll ask with your quoted text, as I have done in the past.
    Sorry brother. I'll type when I want to type, to whatever quote I choose. Sorry about that.
    The mod said yesterday it's not supposed to be about you. I'm treading lightly.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited October 2016
    brianlux said:

    "Stole" maybe is a bit of hyperbole. But what bothers me is that if someone stayed in my house and took a bunch of stuff with them when they left, even if they brought the stuff back I would be highly suspect of their character. Wouldn't any of you?

    I took back stole, after further consideration I changed to borrowed. Obviously I think it speaks to their character.

    How does anyone feel about the Clinton's turning Abe Lincoln's room into airbnb?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    brianlux said:

    "Stole" maybe is a bit of hyperbole. But what bothers me is that if someone stayed in my house and took a bunch of stuff with them when they left, even if they brought the stuff back I would be highly suspect of their character. Wouldn't any of you?

    I understand Brian, but you probably would not have a team of people that do this for you. The Clintons, I'm sure, did not walk around with stickies and grabbing what they want as a free for all. If I were in their position, ex president and Senate elect, I'm probably not thinking about this at all. I tell my staff to itemize the gifts per protocol, and make sure it happens. A portion of the gifts were not intended for them, they were for the WH.
  • Boxes&Books
    Boxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Hillary and Bill are a team. Whatever Bill did she was fine with it.

    Really? How do you know that? Source? I honestly have no idea what her real feelings are about Bill, what the deal is with their relationship, or what she thinks he did or didn't do. And frankly, I don't really care. I don't feel like it has an impact on her ability (or lackthereof) to be POTUS. Now of evidence came along telling us that she actively supported him raping someone or actively knows about it and doesn't care, that would be meaningful. But I have seen no evidence of that. Have you?
    Well, I choose to believe the woman that accused Bill of assault, including the one Bill paid off in a settlement. I believe the victims' accounts that Hillary pressured them to not say anything. When Bill is caught having sex with an intern it isn't unrealistic to believe all the other stories. Hillary decided it was okay to stay with Bill and have her daughter continue to live in the same house (White House) where her dad was banging interns a few rooms away. If that doesn't say something about her character than I don't know what else to tell you. It is a political marriage. Ends justify the means.
    Does Clinton's stealing $37k worth of white house furniture and wall decor speak to character? They actually stole more then returned most later.

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/01/viral-image/viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/
    Reading this whole thing, looks like there was no mal-intent at all. Funny that you use the verb 'stole' while Politifact specifically repudiated the use of that word.
    Your doing it again!
    no he's not. I read the article too, and was surprised at your mini-summary before the link. it wasn't accurate at all.
    Question wasn't posed to him?

    So your saying Clinton's didn't leave with stuff that weren't theirs? Okay I'll correct it...Clinton's borrowed some stuff from the white house, some they returned some they are still b borrowing.
    If you want a personal Q&A or to quiz people, send them a PM.
    How about if I wanted your input I'll ask with your quoted text, as I have done in the past.
    I think you're starting to get under the skin of certain individuals. The details of the discussions are starting to get real and you're proving basic points, which doesn't appear to sit well with some.

    Moderator friendly and informative. Those voters who are the fence should read what JC is posting.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    "Stole" maybe is a bit of hyperbole. But what bothers me is that if someone stayed in my house and took a bunch of stuff with them when they left, even if they brought the stuff back I would be highly suspect of their character. Wouldn't any of you?

    I understand Brian, but you probably would not have a team of people that do this for you. The Clintons, I'm sure, did not walk around with stickies and grabbing what they want as a free for all. If I were in their position, ex president and Senate elect, I'm probably not thinking about this at all. I tell my staff to itemize the gifts per protocol, and make sure it happens. A portion of the gifts were not intended for them, they were for the WH.
    If their my team, I make sure they are behaving properly. But I'm sure we can justify any little indiscretion now, can't we.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    tonifig8 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Hillary and Bill are a team. Whatever Bill did she was fine with it.

    Really? How do you know that? Source? I honestly have no idea what her real feelings are about Bill, what the deal is with their relationship, or what she thinks he did or didn't do. And frankly, I don't really care. I don't feel like it has an impact on her ability (or lackthereof) to be POTUS. Now of evidence came along telling us that she actively supported him raping someone or actively knows about it and doesn't care, that would be meaningful. But I have seen no evidence of that. Have you?
    Well, I choose to believe the woman that accused Bill of assault, including the one Bill paid off in a settlement. I believe the victims' accounts that Hillary pressured them to not say anything. When Bill is caught having sex with an intern it isn't unrealistic to believe all the other stories. Hillary decided it was okay to stay with Bill and have her daughter continue to live in the same house (White House) where her dad was banging interns a few rooms away. If that doesn't say something about her character than I don't know what else to tell you. It is a political marriage. Ends justify the means.
    Does Clinton's stealing $37k worth of white house furniture and wall decor speak to character? They actually stole more then returned most later.

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/01/viral-image/viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/
    Reading this whole thing, looks like there was no mal-intent at all. Funny that you use the verb 'stole' while Politifact specifically repudiated the use of that word.
    Your doing it again!
    no he's not. I read the article too, and was surprised at your mini-summary before the link. it wasn't accurate at all.
    Question wasn't posed to him?

    So your saying Clinton's didn't leave with stuff that weren't theirs? Okay I'll correct it...Clinton's borrowed some stuff from the white house, some they returned some they are still b borrowing.
    If you want a personal Q&A or to quiz people, send them a PM.
    How about if I wanted your input I'll ask with your quoted text, as I have done in the past.
    I think you're starting to get under the skin of certain individuals. The details of the discussions are starting to get real and you're proving basic points, which doesn't appear to sit well with some.

    Moderator friendly and informative. Those voters who are the fence should read what JC is posting.
    I think you are misreading it quite badly. I didn't tell him not to reply to my messages. He's more than welcome to. Same with Free, same with you. I'll argue with anyone. I'll even take the other side for shits and giggles, so it doesn't bother me in the least. But I won't let ridiculous-ass conclusions, hyperbole, false equivalencies, ad-hominem attacks and strawmen arguments go unchecked. And if my arguments put people in a box and they get mad, so be it.
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