Hillary won more votes for President

JC29856 · October 2016

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Go Beavers said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:
Hart research poll received $391k from priorities usa pac July thru Sept just happens to be the poll used by nbc wsj. This can't be. Clinton pacs giving money to pollsters? Any debunkers out there, I can't find much.
Guy named Geoffrey Garin comes up.
You do know that campaigns and PACS hire their own polling companies, right? Look at the rest of their client lists which includes the DNSCC, governors, congressmen, special interest groups, etc. And they are a heavily Democratic polling company, with a few Republican sprinkled in. Priorities is even listed as a client on the marketing page. They aren't hiding it. No one does their own actual polling and analysis. That's what these companies do professionally. Geez. I'm not speaking to the weighting of the population and whether that is biased or not. I have no idea. But this connection alone is not nefarious.
I'm not saying they are hiding it or why aren't they disclosing it I'm saying which is a different issue I'm saying...
If it's common knowledge that the polls reported by major networks and news publications use polling companies that are on the payroll of pacs and super pacs, then yes I'm uncommon, ignorant and very naive.
Someone should start a poll on here asking that very question, I'm curious to the responses.
I'm sure no one has given it a thought. But think about it. You are in charge of media buys for a super pac and you want to know where to spend a million bucks on a tv buy for your specialty issue.... Obamacare. You need research to find out which swing state has the most undecided on this issue, or perhaps where this is a very important issue so you can drive turnout. You won't have your own internal poll team, that's too expensive and not your expertise. You would hire a company to do it. And you would hire a company that specializes in political research. This is exactly what Kellyanne Conway's company does too, except it specializes in GOP issues.
Yeah I agree but I'm not taking about specialty issues, I'm not talking about political research, I'm taking about presidential polling numbers that major networks and news publications share with "viewers" for public interest. I'd be very surprised if most thought believed presidential polling numbers used by major networks and news publications were not done by independent pollsters.
Weren't most on here surprised to learn that polls only have to sample 500 respondents? which I thought was common knowledge.
What's the significance of the 500 respondents to you?
No significance to me, some on here were surprised to learn that the polling data often only includes 400 or 500 respondents. I was making reference and comparing it to pacs and super pacs paying a polling company $391k in 3 months for their polling numbers and those numbers being used by nbc and wsj.
I can't say what people here do and do not know, but a 500 person sample is pretty damn good. 1k is overkill and I wouldn't pay for it myself. I still don't think there is anything nefarious about the fact that Priorities hires this firm for research and polling. I think it's over stated to call it "on the payroll". It's B2B work. Anyway, I have no idea if Priorities corrupts the polling. I'm saying this relationship is not evidence of it.
Distort and distract

The issue isn't that priorities hired the Polling firm, the issue is that nbc and wsj use the polling firm that is paid hundreds of thousands of dollars from a pac

I never said the polling firm is corrupted or influenced by priorities, I said I was surprised to know that nbc and wsj use a polling firm that accepts hundreds of thousand of dollars from pacs and super pac.
I repeat..you learn something new everyday.
Why do you have to turn a fine discussion into something negative? How am I distorting and distracting by explaining my perspective and understanding?

This never was at issue:
I still don't think there is anything nefarious about the fact that Priorities hires this firm for research and polling.

mrussel1 · October 2016

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Go Beavers said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:
Hart research poll received $391k from priorities usa pac July thru Sept just happens to be the poll used by nbc wsj. This can't be. Clinton pacs giving money to pollsters? Any debunkers out there, I can't find much.
Guy named Geoffrey Garin comes up.
You do know that campaigns and PACS hire their own polling companies, right? Look at the rest of their client lists which includes the DNSCC, governors, congressmen, special interest groups, etc. And they are a heavily Democratic polling company, with a few Republican sprinkled in. Priorities is even listed as a client on the marketing page. They aren't hiding it. No one does their own actual polling and analysis. That's what these companies do professionally. Geez. I'm not speaking to the weighting of the population and whether that is biased or not. I have no idea. But this connection alone is not nefarious.
I'm not saying they are hiding it or why aren't they disclosing it I'm saying which is a different issue I'm saying...
If it's common knowledge that the polls reported by major networks and news publications use polling companies that are on the payroll of pacs and super pacs, then yes I'm uncommon, ignorant and very naive.
Someone should start a poll on here asking that very question, I'm curious to the responses.
I'm sure no one has given it a thought. But think about it. You are in charge of media buys for a super pac and you want to know where to spend a million bucks on a tv buy for your specialty issue.... Obamacare. You need research to find out which swing state has the most undecided on this issue, or perhaps where this is a very important issue so you can drive turnout. You won't have your own internal poll team, that's too expensive and not your expertise. You would hire a company to do it. And you would hire a company that specializes in political research. This is exactly what Kellyanne Conway's company does too, except it specializes in GOP issues.
Yeah I agree but I'm not taking about specialty issues, I'm not talking about political research, I'm taking about presidential polling numbers that major networks and news publications share with "viewers" for public interest. I'd be very surprised if most thought believed presidential polling numbers used by major networks and news publications were not done by independent pollsters.
Weren't most on here surprised to learn that polls only have to sample 500 respondents? which I thought was common knowledge.
What's the significance of the 500 respondents to you?
No significance to me, some on here were surprised to learn that the polling data often only includes 400 or 500 respondents. I was making reference and comparing it to pacs and super pacs paying a polling company $391k in 3 months for their polling numbers and those numbers being used by nbc and wsj.
I can't say what people here do and do not know, but a 500 person sample is pretty damn good. 1k is overkill and I wouldn't pay for it myself. I still don't think there is anything nefarious about the fact that Priorities hires this firm for research and polling. I think it's over stated to call it "on the payroll". It's B2B work. Anyway, I have no idea if Priorities corrupts the polling. I'm saying this relationship is not evidence of it.
Distort and distract

The issue isn't that priorities hired the Polling firm, the issue is that nbc and wsj use the polling firm that is paid hundreds of thousands of dollars from a pac

I never said the polling firm is corrupted or influenced by priorities, I said I was surprised to know that nbc and wsj use a polling firm that accepts hundreds of thousand of dollars from pacs and super pac.
I repeat..you learn something new everyday.
Why do you have to turn a fine discussion into something negative? How am I distorting and distracting by explaining my perspective and understanding?
This never was at issue:
I still don't think there is anything nefarious about the fact that Priorities hires this firm for research and polling.

Your initial post, while not directly accusatory, certainly implied it.

JC29856 · October 2016

JC29856 said:
Hart research poll received $391k from priorities usa pac July thru Sept just happens to be the poll used by nbc wsj. This can't be. Clinton pacs giving money to pollsters? Any debunkers out there, I can't find much.
Guy named Geoffrey Garin comes up.

Again surprised to learn that polling data used by nbc and wsj came from polling firm that was paid $391k from Clinton pac.

mrussel1 · October 2016

JC29856 said:

JC29856 said:
Hart research poll received $391k from priorities usa pac July thru Sept just happens to be the poll used by nbc wsj. This can't be. Clinton pacs giving money to pollsters? Any debunkers out there, I can't find much.
Guy named Geoffrey Garin comes up.
Again surprised to learn that polling data used by nbc and wsj came from polling firm that was paid $391k from Clinton pac.

Okay great. Can we agree that on the surface, there is nothing unusual or irrational about this type of activity? While you may just have been bringing it up as an FYI, there are two members that may be reading it differently.

JC29856 · October 2016

I've said Hilliary will be the democratic nominee, I've said Hilliary will be POTUS, and I'm now saying Tim Kaine will be POTUS shortly thereafter.

Republicans are reading these email leaks and salivating at the prospect of impeaching another Clinton.

Go Beavers · October 2016

JC29856 said:

JC29856 said:
Hart research poll received $391k from priorities usa pac July thru Sept just happens to be the poll used by nbc wsj. This can't be. Clinton pacs giving money to pollsters? Any debunkers out there, I can't find much.
Guy named Geoffrey Garin comes up.
Again surprised to learn that polling data used by nbc and wsj came from polling firm that was paid $391k from Clinton pac.

Aren't you suggesting that there would be a bias though? Or just surprised?

JC29856 · October 2016

Go Beavers said:

JC29856 said:

JC29856 said:
Hart research poll received $391k from priorities usa pac July thru Sept just happens to be the poll used by nbc wsj. This can't be. Clinton pacs giving money to pollsters? Any debunkers out there, I can't find much.
Guy named Geoffrey Garin comes up.
Again surprised to learn that polling data used by nbc and wsj came from polling firm that was paid $391k from Clinton pac.
Aren't you suggesting that there would be a bias though? Or just surprised?

Not that there would be but there could be, that's why it's important to not only be imperial in fact but also in appearance.
Did you think/know the polls used by nbc wsj came from firms taking huge sums $ from political pacs?

rgambs · October 2016

JC29856 said:

Go Beavers said:

JC29856 said:

JC29856 said:
Hart research poll received $391k from priorities usa pac July thru Sept just happens to be the poll used by nbc wsj. This can't be. Clinton pacs giving money to pollsters? Any debunkers out there, I can't find much.
Guy named Geoffrey Garin comes up.
Again surprised to learn that polling data used by nbc and wsj came from polling firm that was paid $391k from Clinton pac.
Aren't you suggesting that there would be a bias though? Or just surprised?
Not that there would be but there could be, that's why it's important to not only be imperial in fact but also in appearance.
Did you think/know the polls used by nbc wsj came from firms taking huge sums $ from political pacs?

I assumed so, and it goes the same way from the other side.
Nothing new, no revelation.

JC29856 · October 2016

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

Go Beavers said:

JC29856 said:

JC29856 said:
Hart research poll received $391k from priorities usa pac July thru Sept just happens to be the poll used by nbc wsj. This can't be. Clinton pacs giving money to pollsters? Any debunkers out there, I can't find much.
Guy named Geoffrey Garin comes up.
Again surprised to learn that polling data used by nbc and wsj came from polling firm that was paid $391k from Clinton pac.
Aren't you suggesting that there would be a bias though? Or just surprised?
Not that there would be but there could be, that's why it's important to not only be imperial in fact but also in appearance.
Did you think/know the polls used by nbc wsj came from firms taking huge sums $ from political pacs?
I assumed so, and it goes the same way from the other side.
Nothing new, no revelation.

I've seen this from the other side written before, what's that mean, from the other side?

mrussel1 · October 2016

JC29856 said:

Go Beavers said:

JC29856 said:

JC29856 said:
Hart research poll received $391k from priorities usa pac July thru Sept just happens to be the poll used by nbc wsj. This can't be. Clinton pacs giving money to pollsters? Any debunkers out there, I can't find much.
Guy named Geoffrey Garin comes up.
Again surprised to learn that polling data used by nbc and wsj came from polling firm that was paid $391k from Clinton pac.
Aren't you suggesting that there would be a bias though? Or just surprised?
Not that there would be but there could be, that's why it's important to not only be imperial in fact but also in appearance.
Did you think/know the polls used by nbc wsj came from firms taking huge sums $ from political pacs?

You are treating it as if it's funding or a donation. You are using the word "taking" which is different than a contractual relationship based on work performed or delivered. A better question might be... Does it surprise you that a Clinton Super Pac is using the same polling firm as the WSJ/NBC? My answer would be no. I assume they use some polling firm to target their ad buys.

It would be the height of fiduciary irresponsibility to just pour money into TV markets with no empirical data to support your investment.

rgambs · October 2016

JC29856 said:

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

Go Beavers said:

JC29856 said:

JC29856 said:
Hart research poll received $391k from priorities usa pac July thru Sept just happens to be the poll used by nbc wsj. This can't be. Clinton pacs giving money to pollsters? Any debunkers out there, I can't find much.
Guy named Geoffrey Garin comes up.
Again surprised to learn that polling data used by nbc and wsj came from polling firm that was paid $391k from Clinton pac.
Aren't you suggesting that there would be a bias though? Or just surprised?
Not that there would be but there could be, that's why it's important to not only be imperial in fact but also in appearance.
Did you think/know the polls used by nbc wsj came from firms taking huge sums $ from political pacs?
I assumed so, and it goes the same way from the other side.
Nothing new, no revelation.
I've seen this from the other side written before, what's that mean, from the other side?

The Republicans, obviously.

JC29856 · October 2016

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

Go Beavers said:

JC29856 said:

JC29856 said:
Hart research poll received $391k from priorities usa pac July thru Sept just happens to be the poll used by nbc wsj. This can't be. Clinton pacs giving money to pollsters? Any debunkers out there, I can't find much.
Guy named Geoffrey Garin comes up.
Again surprised to learn that polling data used by nbc and wsj came from polling firm that was paid $391k from Clinton pac.
Aren't you suggesting that there would be a bias though? Or just surprised?
Not that there would be but there could be, that's why it's important to not only be imperial in fact but also in appearance.
Did you think/know the polls used by nbc wsj came from firms taking huge sums $ from political pacs?
I assumed so, and it goes the same way from the other side.
Nothing new, no revelation.
I've seen this from the other side written before, what's that mean, from the other side?
The Republicans, obviously.

Which republican pac funds polling firms that are used by either nbc wash post polls and nbc news polls?

rgambs · October 2016

JC29856 said:

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

Go Beavers said:

JC29856 said:

JC29856 said:
Hart research poll received $391k from priorities usa pac July thru Sept just happens to be the poll used by nbc wsj. This can't be. Clinton pacs giving money to pollsters? Any debunkers out there, I can't find much.
Guy named Geoffrey Garin comes up.
Again surprised to learn that polling data used by nbc and wsj came from polling firm that was paid $391k from Clinton pac.
Aren't you suggesting that there would be a bias though? Or just surprised?
Not that there would be but there could be, that's why it's important to not only be imperial in fact but also in appearance.
Did you think/know the polls used by nbc wsj came from firms taking huge sums $ from political pacs?
I assumed so, and it goes the same way from the other side.
Nothing new, no revelation.
I've seen this from the other side written before, what's that mean, from the other side?
The Republicans, obviously.
Which republican pac funds polling firms that are used by either nbc wash post polls and nbc news polls?

Distract and distort?

I'm not playing your game and answering any more of your deliberately obtuse questions. You know what I am saying, and you are playing dumb on a number of points. I'm not playing.

You know exactly what insinuations you are making and to deny that shows that you are trolling mrussel.

mrussel1 · October 2016

JC29856 said:

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

Go Beavers said:

JC29856 said:

JC29856 said:
Hart research poll received $391k from priorities usa pac July thru Sept just happens to be the poll used by nbc wsj. This can't be. Clinton pacs giving money to pollsters? Any debunkers out there, I can't find much.
Guy named Geoffrey Garin comes up.
Again surprised to learn that polling data used by nbc and wsj came from polling firm that was paid $391k from Clinton pac.
Aren't you suggesting that there would be a bias though? Or just surprised?
Not that there would be but there could be, that's why it's important to not only be imperial in fact but also in appearance.
Did you think/know the polls used by nbc wsj came from firms taking huge sums $ from political pacs?
I assumed so, and it goes the same way from the other side.
Nothing new, no revelation.
I've seen this from the other side written before, what's that mean, from the other side?
The Republicans, obviously.
Which republican pac funds polling firms that are used by either nbc wash post polls and nbc news polls?

Give me a break. What a narrow question. This polling firm has a heavily left client base. Duh. Look at the clients.

Do you think that 'independent' polling companies spring up every four years like a Halloween store and then shut down until the next campaign? Fine, ignore the poll. Pretend that Trump is winning. Knock yourself out. FYI, The Atlantic/RRI poll out this morning also has her up 11.

JC29856 · October 2016

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

Go Beavers said:

JC29856 said:

JC29856 said:
Hart research poll received $391k from priorities usa pac July thru Sept just happens to be the poll used by nbc wsj. This can't be. Clinton pacs giving money to pollsters? Any debunkers out there, I can't find much.
Guy named Geoffrey Garin comes up.
Again surprised to learn that polling data used by nbc and wsj came from polling firm that was paid $391k from Clinton pac.
Aren't you suggesting that there would be a bias though? Or just surprised?
Not that there would be but there could be, that's why it's important to not only be imperial in fact but also in appearance.
Did you think/know the polls used by nbc wsj came from firms taking huge sums $ from political pacs?
I assumed so, and it goes the same way from the other side.
Nothing new, no revelation.
I've seen this from the other side written before, what's that mean, from the other side?
The Republicans, obviously.
Which republican pac funds polling firms that are used by either nbc wash post polls and nbc news polls?
Distract and distort?

I'm not playing your game and answering any more of your deliberately obtuse questions. You know what I am saying, and you are playing dumb on a number of points. I'm not playing.

You know exactly what insinuations you are making and to deny that shows that you are trolling mrussel.

Okay...you made a statement, I asked a question. We will leave it at that.

JC29856 · October 2016

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

Go Beavers said:

JC29856 said:

JC29856 said:
Hart research poll received $391k from priorities usa pac July thru Sept just happens to be the poll used by nbc wsj. This can't be. Clinton pacs giving money to pollsters? Any debunkers out there, I can't find much.
Guy named Geoffrey Garin comes up.
Again surprised to learn that polling data used by nbc and wsj came from polling firm that was paid $391k from Clinton pac.
Aren't you suggesting that there would be a bias though? Or just surprised?
Not that there would be but there could be, that's why it's important to not only be imperial in fact but also in appearance.
Did you think/know the polls used by nbc wsj came from firms taking huge sums $ from political pacs?
I assumed so, and it goes the same way from the other side.
Nothing new, no revelation.
I've seen this from the other side written before, what's that mean, from the other side?
The Republicans, obviously.
Which republican pac funds polling firms that are used by either nbc wash post polls and nbc news polls?
Give me a break. What a narrow question. This polling firm has a heavily left client base. Duh. Look at the clients.

Do you think that 'independent' polling companies spring up every four years like a Halloween store and then shut down until the next campaign? Fine, ignore the poll. Pretend that Trump is winning. Knock yourself out. FYI, The Atlantic/RRI poll out this morning also has her up 11.

I didn't think it was such a bad question.

As to your other distortions and distractions, I've already said Trump is a bafoon and a pig and that Hilliary will be next president.

mrussel1 · October 2016

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

Go Beavers said:

JC29856 said:

JC29856 said:
Hart research poll received $391k from priorities usa pac July thru Sept just happens to be the poll used by nbc wsj. This can't be. Clinton pacs giving money to pollsters? Any debunkers out there, I can't find much.
Guy named Geoffrey Garin comes up.
Again surprised to learn that polling data used by nbc and wsj came from polling firm that was paid $391k from Clinton pac.
Aren't you suggesting that there would be a bias though? Or just surprised?
Not that there would be but there could be, that's why it's important to not only be imperial in fact but also in appearance.
Did you think/know the polls used by nbc wsj came from firms taking huge sums $ from political pacs?
I assumed so, and it goes the same way from the other side.
Nothing new, no revelation.
I've seen this from the other side written before, what's that mean, from the other side?
The Republicans, obviously.
Which republican pac funds polling firms that are used by either nbc wash post polls and nbc news polls?
Give me a break. What a narrow question. This polling firm has a heavily left client base. Duh. Look at the clients.

Do you think that 'independent' polling companies spring up every four years like a Halloween store and then shut down until the next campaign? Fine, ignore the poll. Pretend that Trump is winning. Knock yourself out. FYI, The Atlantic/RRI poll out this morning also has her up 11.
I didn't think it was such a bad question.

As to your other distortions and distractions, I've already said Trump is a bafoon and a pig and that Hilliary will be next president.

Facts and information is what you define as distortions and distractions. I'm sorry that I won't play into strawmen, false hypotheticals and equivalencies, etc. Your question was basically are there any GOP Super pacs this same polling firm. The answer is, how the fuck do I know their entire client base? I can only see what's on their website. There are some GOP elected officials on there, but for advocacy, it's generally D's.

JC29856 · October 2016

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

Go Beavers said:

JC29856 said:

JC29856 said:
Hart research poll received $391k from priorities usa pac July thru Sept just happens to be the poll used by nbc wsj. This can't be. Clinton pacs giving money to pollsters? Any debunkers out there, I can't find much.
Guy named Geoffrey Garin comes up.
Again surprised to learn that polling data used by nbc and wsj came from polling firm that was paid $391k from Clinton pac.
Aren't you suggesting that there would be a bias though? Or just surprised?
Not that there would be but there could be, that's why it's important to not only be imperial in fact but also in appearance.
Did you think/know the polls used by nbc wsj came from firms taking huge sums $ from political pacs?
I assumed so, and it goes the same way from the other side.
Nothing new, no revelation.
I've seen this from the other side written before, what's that mean, from the other side?
The Republicans, obviously.
Which republican pac funds polling firms that are used by either nbc wash post polls and nbc news polls?
Give me a break. What a narrow question. This polling firm has a heavily left client base. Duh. Look at the clients.

Do you think that 'independent' polling companies spring up every four years like a Halloween store and then shut down until the next campaign? Fine, ignore the poll. Pretend that Trump is winning. Knock yourself out. FYI, The Atlantic/RRI poll out this morning also has her up 11.
I didn't think it was such a bad question.

As to your other distortions and distractions, I've already said Trump is a bafoon and a pig and that Hilliary will be next president.
Facts and information is what you define as distortions and distractions. I'm sorry that I won't play into strawmen, false hypotheticals and equivalencies, etc. Your question was basically are there any GOP Super pacs this same polling firm. The answer is, how the fuck do I know their entire client base? I can only see what's on their website. There are some GOP elected officials on there, but for advocacy, it's generally D's.

My question wasn't basically it was simply:
Which republican pac funds polling firms that are used by either nbc wash post polls and nbc news polls? I meant to type cbs not nbc.
I never asked:about anyone's entire client base.
Total misunderstanding...we can move on.

Boxes&Books · October 2016

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

Go Beavers said:

JC29856 said:

JC29856 said:
Hart research poll received $391k from priorities usa pac July thru Sept just happens to be the poll used by nbc wsj. This can't be. Clinton pacs giving money to pollsters? Any debunkers out there, I can't find much.
Guy named Geoffrey Garin comes up.
Again surprised to learn that polling data used by nbc and wsj came from polling firm that was paid $391k from Clinton pac.
Aren't you suggesting that there would be a bias though? Or just surprised?
Not that there would be but there could be, that's why it's important to not only be imperial in fact but also in appearance.
Did you think/know the polls used by nbc wsj came from firms taking huge sums $ from political pacs?
I assumed so, and it goes the same way from the other side.
Nothing new, no revelation.
I've seen this from the other side written before, what's that mean, from the other side?
The Republicans, obviously.
Which republican pac funds polling firms that are used by either nbc wash post polls and nbc news polls?
Give me a break. What a narrow question. This polling firm has a heavily left client base. Duh. Look at the clients.

Do you think that 'independent' polling companies spring up every four years like a Halloween store and then shut down until the next campaign? Fine, ignore the poll. Pretend that Trump is winning. Knock yourself out. FYI, The Atlantic/RRI poll out this morning also has her up 11.
I didn't think it was such a bad question.

As to your other distortions and distractions, I've already said Trump is a bafoon and a pig and that Hilliary will be next president.
Facts and information is what you define as distortions and distractions. I'm sorry that I won't play into strawmen, false hypotheticals and equivalencies, etc. Your question was basically are there any GOP Super pacs this same polling firm. The answer is, how the fuck do I know their entire client base? I can only see what's on their website. There are some GOP elected officials on there, but for advocacy, it's generally D's.
My question wasn't basically it was simply:
Which republican pac funds polling firms that are used by either nbc wash post polls and nbc news polls? I meant to type cbs not nbc.
I never asked:about anyone's entire client base.
Total misunderstanding...we can move on.

I wonder why some of the clintonites (so-called progressives) can't stand up against wrong doing. I wonder why they can't be critical of Clinton as they are with those who challenge her. I'm certain that if the shoe was on the other foot they'd be coming up with some magnificent attacks towards this wrongful behavior that Clinton has demonstrated.
I'm really starting to wonder if some folks around here are employed by Clinton pACS because some of this evidence is exactly the crap they've been fighting against (as progressives). Now they seem to have an excuse and justification for those actions

bootlegger10 · October 2016

It is because the ends justify the means. Dems are pro-woman until a woman accuses a Dem president of assault. Then that woman is a dirty liar. Nothing to be surprised about.

Hillary won more votes for President

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