Hillary won more votes for President

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,673
    edited October 2016
    A Breitbart video? Forgive me if I am a little skeptical of your source. That is shady as hell.
    Look, equally for Bill Clinton and Trump - they have both been accused of rape, and they are both denying it. The accusations concern me very much... yet there is no proof. Until there is, what am I really supposed to say? The accusations are out there, we are all aware of them (well, you only seem aware of the ones against Clinton, but most of us are aware of the accusations against both). You seem pretty focused on the ones accusing Clinton but seem completely unconcerned about the ones accusing Trump (including his own ex wife). Why is that? Trump is the guy on the ballot, not Clinton. I am not sure how much responsibility you expect us to lay on Hillary. She didn't rape anyone. Also, the Trump campaign is using it as an attack while pretending the accusations against Trump don't exist, and Trump's supporters are disseminating propaganda to try and convince everyone Clinton is a rapist. Doesn't that strike you as odd?
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    If these Wall St speeches are as innocuous & harmless as Clinton supporters claim, why first hide them & now lie & suggest they're fakes?
    Good question...Greenwald
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    As these internal documents demonstrate, a central component of the Clinton campaign strategy is ensuring that journalists they believe favorable to Clinton are tasked to report the stories which the campaign wants circulated.

    https://theintercept.com/2016/10/09/exclusive-new-email-leak-reveals-clinton-campaigns-cozy-press-relationship/
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    edited October 2016
    PJ_Soul said:

    A Breitbart video? Forgive me if I am a little skeptical of your source. That is shady as hell.
    Look, equally for Bill Clinton and Trump - they have both been accused of rape, and they are both denying it. The accusations concern me very much... yet there is no proof. Until there is, what am I really supposed to say? The accusations are out there, we are all aware of them (well, you only seem aware of the ones against Clinton, but most of us are aware of the accusations against both). You seem pretty focused on the ones accusing Clinton but seem completely unconcerned about the ones accusing Trump (including his own ex wife). Why is that? Trump is the guy on the ballot, not Clinton. I am not sure how much responsibility you expect us to lay on Hillary. She didn't rape anyone. Also, the Trump campaign is using it as an attack while pretending the accusations against Trump don't exist, and Trump's supporters are disseminating propaganda to try and convince everyone Clinton is a rapist. Doesn't that strike you as odd?

    First the fact a breitbart reporter is interviewing real women who have been making the same complaints prior to breitbart even existing should not make you more skeptical. You are choosing to be skeptical because confronting the accusation that Hillary victim shamed them is uncomfortable to you. These women's allegations have never been disproven and you are choosing to buy into the Clinton narrative that they are liars who are unworthy of attention.

    Second, I don't care about Bill and Hillary's actions any more or any less then Trump's. Their actions are all repugnant. I am the one being consistent here and all I have ever pointed out is that the Hillary supporters should do the same. Acknowledge that she is not some great defender of women. Acknowledge that she shamed victims to preserve Bill and her political career. She raped no one but she participated in the destruction of real victims.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,673
    edited October 2016
    Um, no, that is not what I think and nothing is uncomfortable for me, I actually have no idea what Hillary may have said about them or of it was victim shaming or not, or participated in the "destruction" of victims, and I am not a Hillary supporter, lol. Also, I have never ever thought of Hillary as a great champion for women. That never even crossed my mind. No, these accusations haven't been disproven, and they haven't been proven either. Same goes for Trump's accusers. That's it. I am not in defense of anyone in this scenario, and I never called anyone a liar at all. Didn't even come close to doing that.

    I do, though, think it's significant that the man running for POTUS has been accused of rape and is now on record talking about using women as sex objects and assaulting them. I don't honestly give the spouse of the other candidate too much thought, just like I don't give Trump's wife much thought. Looking at the candidates, Trump is the only one accused of rape.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited October 2016
    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    A Breitbart video? Forgive me if I am a little skeptical of your source. That is shady as hell.
    Look, equally for Bill Clinton and Trump - they have both been accused of rape, and they are both denying it. The accusations concern me very much... yet there is no proof. Until there is, what am I really supposed to say? The accusations are out there, we are all aware of them (well, you only seem aware of the ones against Clinton, but most of us are aware of the accusations against both). You seem pretty focused on the ones accusing Clinton but seem completely unconcerned about the ones accusing Trump (including his own ex wife). Why is that? Trump is the guy on the ballot, not Clinton. I am not sure how much responsibility you expect us to lay on Hillary. She didn't rape anyone. Also, the Trump campaign is using it as an attack while pretending the accusations against Trump don't exist, and Trump's supporters are disseminating propaganda to try and convince everyone Clinton is a rapist. Doesn't that strike you as odd?

    First the fact a breitbart reporter is interviewing real women who have been making the same complaints prior to breitbart even existing should not make you more skeptical. You are choosing to be skeptical because confronting the accusation that Hillary victim shamed them is uncomfortable to you. These women's allegations have never been disproven and you are choosing to buy into the Clinton narrative that they are liars who are unworthy of attention.

    Second, I don't care about Bill and Hillary's actions any more or any less then Trump's. Their actions are all repugnant. I am the one being consistent here and all I have ever pointed out is that the Hillary supporters should do the same. Acknowledge that she is not some great defender of women. Acknowledge that she shamed victims to preserve Bill and her political career. She raped no one but she participated in the destruction of real victims.
    Great post! Some democrats (and republicans) will champion and vote for whoever the DNC puts fourth as their candidate, no matter the sex, name, political history and transgressions.
    If their candidate loses then it's everybody else's fault, ex Al Gore.
    Fyi - Al Gore is campaigning for Hilliary, he likes the female masseuse, especially the Asian type. Not one not twice but three times he was accused of sexual assault or what some on here refer to as "infidelity".
  • unsung
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    Bentleyspop said:

    mrussel1 said:

    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    mrussel1 said:

    unsung said:

    I'm really starting to believe that we to enact standards on voting based on these two candidates.

    That sounds Constitutional.
    It's in there, right next to gun control.
    Right after "well-regulated"?
    What kind of twisted logic ignores those words printed explicitly and inserts some imaginary ones about voting control?
    What kind ignores art 1 sec VIII where it states expressly what federal powers the federal government has?
    Taht has zero to do with your argument for literacy tests and poll taxes. That's covered under the equal protection clause.
    Here's a newsflash for you....

    You can't argue U.S. Constitution facts with an anti-government person. They are all constitutional scholars.
    You can't argue the Constitution with a statist when they only want to follow certain parts.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    Hillary and Bill are a team. Whatever Bill did she was fine with it.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    edited October 2016
    unsung said:

    Bentleyspop said:

    mrussel1 said:

    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    mrussel1 said:

    unsung said:

    I'm really starting to believe that we to enact standards on voting based on these two candidates.

    That sounds Constitutional.
    It's in there, right next to gun control.
    Right after "well-regulated"?
    What kind of twisted logic ignores those words printed explicitly and inserts some imaginary ones about voting control?
    What kind ignores art 1 sec VIII where it states expressly what federal powers the federal government has?
    Taht has zero to do with your argument for literacy tests and poll taxes. That's covered under the equal protection clause.
    Here's a newsflash for you....

    You can't argue U.S. Constitution facts with an anti-government person. They are all constitutional scholars.
    You can't argue the Constitution with a statist when they only want to follow certain parts.
    How does only following certain parts make one a statist? You really struggle with definitions.

    Oh and very ironic statement from one who claims belief in the 2nd amendment but not the 14th.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,673
    edited October 2016
    bootlegger10 said:

    Hillary and Bill are a team. Whatever Bill did she was fine with it.

    Really? How do you know that? Source? I honestly have no idea what her real feelings are about Bill, what the deal is with their relationship, or what she thinks he did or didn't do. And frankly, I don't really care. I don't feel like it has an impact on her ability (or lackthereof) to be POTUS. Now of evidence came along telling us that she actively supported him raping someone or actively knows about it and doesn't care, that would be meaningful. But I have seen no evidence of that. Have you?
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  • unsung
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    tonifig8 said:

    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I assume Hillary doesn't believe Bill's accuser at all... If that is the case I am not really sure what to think of the repeated reference to something Bill Clinton did (something that hasn't been proven any more than Trump's child rape accusation has been), as though it has some bearing on what Donald Trump said. Is it supposed to change how we feel about Trump's misogyny or what? And why are Bill's issues being brought up so much anyhow? If Hillary were accused of rape that would be a lot more relevant (but still wouldn't negate what Trump is like at all). Even if there were any reason to think that that Hillary knew that Bill raped a woman and doesn't care, that would hold some water. But there is no evidence of that. So I am not really sure how the story is supposed to reflect badly on Hillary Clinton unless someone has proof that she has proof that Bill raped someone and that Hillary doesn't mind.

    The victim's would respond to you in this way...

    https://youtu.be/NvoRcPXURwg

    I guess what you have to decide is whether all these women are just liars.
    It's hilarious - they claim I'm out of line as if Clinton has not demonstrated Over and over and over to be a liar. And all they do is make one excuse after another for her, over and over and over... It's that simple. Julian Assange is a complete rapist, but not Bill. Blows my fucking mind.

    Oh and if you think Bill isn't a rapist, Hilliary Clinton is rapping the United States of America. Might I add, with no Vaseline
    I find it odd that so many women have the same story, that Bill abused them and Hillary silenced them but that's no biggie. But saying something makes another guy the worst thing ever.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,673
    So you're choosing to ignore all the shit that Trump has done and been accused of, even though he's the one running for office? K.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    I dont want Bill Clinton, or his wife, in the WH.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    This whole, "yeah, but...but Bill" is really fucking amateur and childish. If Bill raped women (not just accused of), then he needs to pay the price. Donald Trump has admitted to sexual assault. I don't want him anywhere representing my country in any capacity.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,673
    unsung said:

    I dont want Bill Clinton, or his wife, in the WH.

    Yeah I got that, lol. I just don't see why you feel the need to negate Trump's actions to express that.
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    ledvedderman said:

    This whole, "yeah, but...but Bill" is really fucking amateur and childish. If Bill raped women (not just accused of), then he needs to pay the price. Donald Trump has admitted to sexual assault. I don't want him anywhere representing my country in any capacity.

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    I dont want Bill Clinton, or his wife, in the WH.

    Yeah I got that, lol. I just don't see why you feel the need to negate Trump's actions to express that.
    This whole "Yeah, but...but Trump..." Is getting really old. Her character is what is turning people off. Yet most supporters not only defend her character and ask why it relates to bill, but also deflects right to "What about Trump."
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    I dont want Bill Clinton, or his wife, in the WH.

    Yeah I got that, lol. I just don't see why you feel the need to negate Trump's actions to express that.
    I just find the whole thing hypocritical.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Hilliary is sympathetic to Muslims
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    JC29856 said:

    Hilliary is sympathetic to Muslims

    Good. Me too. How about you?
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    JC29856 said:

    Hilliary is sympathetic to Muslims

    Cool. All humans should be.
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