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  • Boxes&Books
    Boxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    edited October 2016
    unsung said:

    You'd think it would get tiresome lying and conniving all day.


    http://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-coordinated-on-clinton-email-issues-new-documents-show-1475798310?mod=e2tw

    This is impossible. Powerful people couldn't possibly do wrong. Especially Hillary R. Clinton.
  • unsung
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    ledvedderman said:

    That WSJ article is for subscribers only. Could you copy and paste the text?

    Hmmmn, worked when I read it the first time, now I'm blocked too.
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    edited October 2016
    benjs said:

    Please Kat, I'm begging you!

    https://vanillaforums.org/addon/ignore-plugin


    THIS

    There is one person I would ignore. That one person does drive me away from this forum. I check back in to read and the person is still rude and obnoxious, so I leave again for awhile. Unfortunately that one person's contributions pretty much drive the discussion because everyone chooses to reacts, and that just renders participating in this thread a complete waste of time for me, imo. 175 pages, and everyone is still stuck at "rigged," "polls," and "Bernie."

    Speaking of which, did anyone watch last night's episode of "Blackish"? The theme there was basically centered around the same conflict expressed in this thread -- but way more comedic and smartly written -- and the show ended with Michele Obama's convention speech clip about the high stakes in this election. It was a powerful episode. It ended with the show's version of two Bernie Bros walking off saying to each other "Damn, I can't believe you weren't going to vote" with the implication that they are off to vote for Clinton.

    Quite honestly, I don't give a damn if people vote out of fear, passion, hope, self interest, ignorance, spite, blind-folded, whatever. The only thing that matters to me is that Clinton wins this election. The stakes are way too high.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    unsung said:

    ledvedderman said:

    That WSJ article is for subscribers only. Could you copy and paste the text?

    Hmmmn, worked when I read it the first time, now I'm blocked too.
    Clear your cookies.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    edited October 2016
    Governor Scott in Florida has said that he will not allow the registration deadline to be extended beyond the normal date of next Tuesday.
    What's your take on it? Is it a form of voter suppression since it's believed that last many of the later registrations are normally younger voters who vote Democratic?
    I don't know if I really have an opinion on it. When the storm passes in a couple of days, there's still time to register by Tuesday. Then again, this is an act of God type scenario that can be given some wiggle room.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    ledvedderman said:

    Governor Scott in Florida has said that he will not allow the registration deadline to be extended beyond the normal date of next Tuesday.
    What's your take on it? Is it a form of voter suppression since it's believed that last many of the later registrations are normally younger voters who vote Democratic?
    I don't know if I really have an opinion on it. When the storm passes in a couple of days, there's still time to register by Tuesday. Then again, this is an act of God type scenario that can be given some wiggle room.

    I don't know if there is some short timeline between the end of registration and getting the rolls together. There is a chance that many parts of FL won't have power between now and Tuesday, so it seems unfair. I don't know if I'd call it 'suppression' because that is a very strong word. But it would be shitty, at the least.
  • Boxes&Books
    Boxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    edited October 2016
    More BS
    "But agents say Comey tied investigators’ hands by agreeing to unheard-of ground rules and other demands by the lawyers for Clinton and her aides that limited their investigation".
    http://nypost.com/2016/10/06/fbi-agents-are-ready-to-revolt-over-the-cozy-clinton-probe/
  • Boxes&Books
    Boxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    Watchdog group accuses Clinton campaign of election law violations

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/watchdog-group-accuses-clinton-campaign-of-election-law-violations-214054242.html
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    edited October 2016
    tonifig8 said:

    More BS

    "But agents say Comey tied investigators’ hands by agreeing to unheard-of ground rules and other demands by the lawyers for Clinton and her aides that limited their investigation".
    http://nypost.com/2016/10/06/fbi-agents-are-ready-to-revolt-over-the-cozy-clinton-probe/

    Really? Which agents? Only off the record agents that the NY Post opinion writer talked to? Was Sean Hannity also at the meeting? Can we call him for verification?

    It's amazing that when we have issues like Syria, Russia, Choice, Obamacare, the Iran deal, gay rights and more, that you are so focused on this issue....still, and to the point of linking to a rag like the NY Post and this super douche. Read some of his other articles. For some reason I thought you were a progressive, but you are doing your best to ensure that the most progressive candidate loses to the most regressive candidate.
  • Boxes&Books
    Boxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    edited October 2016
    mrussel1 said:

    tonifig8 said:

    More BS

    "But agents say Comey tied investigators’ hands by agreeing to unheard-of ground rules and other demands by the lawyers for Clinton and her aides that limited their investigation".
    http://nypost.com/2016/10/06/fbi-agents-are-ready-to-revolt-over-the-cozy-clinton-probe/
    Really? Which agents? Only off the record agents that the NY Post opinion writer talked to? Was Sean Hannity also at the meeting? Can we call him for verification?

    It's amazing that when we have issues like Syria, Russia, Choice, Obamacare, the Iran deal, gay rights and more, that you are so focused on this issue....still, and to the point of linking to a rag like the NY Post and this super douche. Read some of his other articles. For some reason I thought you were a progressive, but you are doing your best to ensure that the most progressive candidate loses to the most regressive candidate.

    hmmmmm ... I thought it was an interesting read. Gives me some more perspective. I never hear any of this stuff on CNN or MSNBC, so this definitely gives me a broader look at this highly complicated subject. I don't know who the writer is, and sure, I was wondering who those FBI agents were, but then again this is way above my league so I'll take it at face value. Zero harm in that, right? I can't just read things I generally agree with. That just adds to my ego.

    It's funny, I also thought you were a progressive!! I guess progressive isn't as easily defined. I'm putting country first, Russ. I strongly feel that we as a nation are at some kind of tipping point. We have an opportunity here to defeat/expose the corruption within our democracy. Millions of Americans don't care about any of this nonsense- they're overworked and focused on their respective life's, which means it is almost impossible to challenge our govt. because who the hell has time for a revolution or change, right? Place a taco truck on my corner and tell me who to vote for. That works for me and should generate loads of votes to keep this black/white system/cycle operating.

    We have issues man. Tons of them, without a doubt, but before we can go back to playing politics and the same old same old - we need to finish this fight verse the establishment and see how far we can take it. We have until Nov. 8th to push the limits and to hopefully cause the two top candidates at the top of the ticket to step down. Wishful thinking? Oh hell yeah, but that doesn't mean we give up. We're going to cause some serious damage and make some serious noise before accepting the same old shit. The future of our daughters depend on it man. Well at least that's how I see.

    You said you were against shadow blocking, maybe you should reconsider.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6B8Hnt-W2Y
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    edited October 2016
    /\ I hit a point in that post where I noticed I was reading it like John Belushi's "was it over when" speech from Animal House.
    I'm sorry man, there will be no political revolution in 2016 on a national level. Perhaps you should take "Undone" as your rally cry instead of Bob's classic. If you want to see a change nationally, start locally. "Change don't come at once. It's a wave building before it breaks".
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  • Boxes&Books
    Boxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    edited October 2016
    ledvedderman said:

    /\ I hit a point in that post where I noticed I was reading it like John Belushi's "was it over when" speech from Animal House.
    I'm sorry man, there will be no political revolution in 2016 on a national level. Perhaps you should take "Undone" as your rally cry instead of Bob's classic. If you want to see a change nationally, start locals. "Change don't come at once. It's a wave building before it breaks".

    There's no rally cry man... hahaha.... That was added as a nice personal touch for russ.
    The reality is that Clinton is in a dead heat with the worst candidate in American history, ok maybe not the absolute worst, but you get my point. What does that say about her? Look at the consistent unfavorable polls on her. The American people are losing here - and it seems many folks are starting to realize that. Russ questioned my progressive identity and basically accused me of getting in the way of progressive causes - I assume I'm getting in the way of those "causes" because I'm making Clinton/Dems look bad and potentially helping Trump win the race, If my comments weren't a genuine threat/concern to Clinton I don't think the clinonite army would care what I, or anyone else who opposes Clinton, have to say. Politics is a dirty sport and stakes couldn't be higher this time around.

    The revolution is real, ledvedderman. Maybe not in the sense of civil war or entirely as Sanders depicted it, but it's there in the form of millions of people starting to open their eyes and standing up against the establishment. You better believe it's real! Look at all the leaks - look at all the questioning of our govt. And it's not only the teabaggers who are causing a disturbance in the force or the wacky extreme left... it's millennials and regular people who are starting to turn their backs on the establishment. Which is a good thing, right?

    Look at the rise of trump - look at how many career politicians who have lost their post - look at Sanders, who was basically a no body on the national level, give Clinton a run for her money, and who knows - probably could have won..... Oh it's real brother and the shift is happening. This isn't some kind of conspiracy thingy(haha)...This is millions of people spreading information ... this is the rise of patriots like Assange and Snowden becoming larger then life people, with their voices influencing the next generation of inhabitants. So much is changing... let's just hope it's for the better of society. This is a good thing... at the end of the day you'll get your Hillary man.. don't sweat it. Shadow ban some of us for the next month or so. You'll get better sleep. ha.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,644
    edited October 2016
    tonifig8 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    tonifig8 said:

    More BS

    "But agents say Comey tied investigators’ hands by agreeing to unheard-of ground rules and other demands by the lawyers for Clinton and her aides that limited their investigation".
    http://nypost.com/2016/10/06/fbi-agents-are-ready-to-revolt-over-the-cozy-clinton-probe/
    Really? Which agents? Only off the record agents that the NY Post opinion writer talked to? Was Sean Hannity also at the meeting? Can we call him for verification?

    It's amazing that when we have issues like Syria, Russia, Choice, Obamacare, the Iran deal, gay rights and more, that you are so focused on this issue....still, and to the point of linking to a rag like the NY Post and this super douche. Read some of his other articles. For some reason I thought you were a progressive, but you are doing your best to ensure that the most progressive candidate loses to the most regressive candidate.
    hmmmmm ... I thought it was an interesting read. Gives me some more perspective. I never hear any of this stuff on CNN or MSNBC, so this definitely gives me a broader look at this highly complicated subject. I don't know who the writer is, and sure, I was wondering who those FBI agents were, but then again this is way above my league so I'll take it at face value. Zero harm in that, right? I can't just read things I generally agree with. That just adds to my ego.

    It's funny, I also thought you were a progressive!! I guess progressive isn't as easily defined. I'm putting country first, Russ. I strongly feel that we as a nation are at some kind of tipping point. We have an opportunity here to defeat/expose the corruption within our democracy. Millions of Americans don't care about any of this nonsense- they're overworked and focused on their respective life's, which means it is almost impossible to challenge our govt. because who the hell has time for a revolution or change, right? Place a taco truck on my corner and tell me who to vote for. That works for me and should generate loads of votes to keep this black/white system/cycle operating.

    We have issues man. Tons of them, without a doubt, but before we can go back to playing politics and the same old same old - we need to finish this fight verse the establishment and see how far we can take it. We have until Nov. 8th to push the limits and to hopefully cause the two top candidates at the top of the ticket to step down. Wishful thinking? Oh hell yeah, but that doesn't mean we give up. We're going to cause some serious damage and make some serious noise before accepting the same old shit. The future of our daughters depend on it man. Well at least that's how I see.

    You said you were against shadow blocking, maybe you should reconsider.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6B8Hnt-W2Y

    And it'll be chalked up as just another OWS, BLM, Bundy Yahoo, Ruby Ridge, Million Man March, blah, blah, blah protest organization. That will fizzle, die out and change nothing. Toot, toot, clap, clap, honk, honk. Thanks for making some noise. Oh, and Bernie Sanders is a loser and he lost. Get over it, you ain't changing nothing.
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  • Boxes&Books
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    Wikileaks founder Assange reveals his next target: Google

    "Eric Schmidt, former CEO of Google and its current chairman seems to be the lynchpin in Assange’s new master plan. In an excerpt from his 2014 book ‘When Google Met Wikileaks,’ Assange accuses Schmidt of having ties to the State Department when Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State and working closely with her campaign".
    http://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/10/06/wikileaks-founder-assange-reveals-next-target-google/
  • Boxes&Books
    Boxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    edited October 2016
    Halifax2TheMax said:



    And it'll be chalked up as just another OWS, BLM, Bundy Yahoo, Ruby Ridge, Million Man March, blah, blah, blah protest organization. That will fizzle, die out and change nothing. Toot, toot, clap, clap, honk, honk. Thanks for making some noise.

    Hey you forgot to mention that Bernie Sanders is a loser and that he lost. Can you edit your post. thanks.
  • Boxes&Books
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    Obama DOJ drops charges against alleged broker of Libyan weapons
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  • unsung
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    "What difference does it make?"

    Rand Paul questioned her under Oath if they were running guns to Syrian rebels (ISIS) and she denied it.
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    She's no different than Dick Cheney.
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    Toniflig got one thing right: the "revolutionaries" (hahaha) will do some serious damage if or when Trump wins the election. That is no love of country. It's just more of the narcissistic, grandiose millenial playbook. "Look at our generation save the country! We're so amazing!"

    Then Toniflig provides examples of this grand revolutionary change:
    1. Trump -- yeah, there's an anti-corruption candidate for you.
    2. Congressional candidates losing their districts -- yeah, to be replaced by religious right wing zealots. Love that.
    3. "Look at Bernie" says Tonifig. Well, I would look if Bernie were anywhere to be found. But he ain't. Haven't seen hide nor hair of the man since the convention. That's a real leader for you. Loses his primary, and does what Americans do in this great democracy of ours. Accepts defeat gracefully and goes back to his day job.

    So all that taken together -- the rise of Trump, right wing zealots controlling Congress, and zero leadership among leftist revolutuonaries other than the creepy Julian Assange who isn't even American -- I'll take a pass on the "revolution." I'm happy to hold the center through one more election cycle. Thank God for the center.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,460
    what dreams said:

    Toniflig got one thing right: the "revolutionaries" (hahaha) will do some serious damage if or when Trump wins the election. That is no love of country. It's just more of the narcissistic, grandiose millenial playbook. "Look at our generation save the country! We're so amazing!"

    Then Toniflig provides examples of this grand revolutionary change:
    1. Trump -- yeah, there's an anti-corruption candidate for you.
    2. Congressional candidates losing their districts -- yeah, to be replaced by religious right wing zealots. Love that.
    3. "Look at Bernie" says Tonifig. Well, I would look if Bernie were anywhere to be found. But he ain't. Haven't seen hide nor hair of the man since the convention. That's a real leader for you. Loses his primary, and does what Americans do in this great democracy of ours. Accepts defeat gracefully and goes back to his day job.

    So all that taken together -- the rise of Trump, right wing zealots controlling Congress, and zero leadership among leftist revolutuonaries other than the creepy Julian Assange who isn't even American -- I'll take a pass on the "revolution." I'm happy to hold the center through one more election cycle. Thank God for the center.

    Yep... Luckily there are enough of us in the center to protect you from yourself tofig8

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